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I know a couple vegetarians that think they are somehow better because of that. People are like that, they like to think they are better.
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lol, I see you've run into some self-righteous vegetarians yourself

Lately I've taken the stance that everything that is nurtured eventually has to die, and animals that are grown just for food wouldn't be alive at all if we were all vegetarians. Since birth inevitably leads to death than by owning a pet you are participating in its eventual death. ect, ect..

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Next time you want a laser I'll make (pretty much) anything you like, and even hand deliver it to you!

We should meet up sometime and compare coherent light and light of knowledge anyways.(I'm in Queens)

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Well that's certainly some food for thought, for self righteous vegetarian pricks

I'll take that steak medium rare now

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Lately I've taken the stance that everything that is nurtured eventually has to die, and animals that are grown just for food wouldn't be alive at all if we were all vegetarians. Since birth inevitably leads to death than by owning a pet you are participating in its eventual death. ect, ect..

Anyway, I don't want to thread-jack.
The more this thread gets bumped to the top, the better.

Since he said as much, I'm positive he's gonna try to come back under a different user name to sell an anselmo built iron man glove.

So the more this thread is on top, the more people end up seeing it and are more aware.

Hmm... ribs anyone

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We should meet up sometime and compare coherent light and light of knowledge anyways.(I'm in Queens)

Thanks for the heads up, sorry for the ripoff.
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This is getting ridiculous.

The nonsense changes with every post, and how he's saying I've been rude to him...

Link: F/S Ehgemus build 1.5W LPM tested $300~ SOLD!!!!

I suppose that's true if leaving negative feedback for getting scammed is "being rude".

The PM's speak for themselves as to who's been rude to whom though.

Also apparently this is not the first, but third time there have been issues with this particular person;

Link: http://laserpointerforums.com/f61/li...ice-59739.html

And he's had some kind of an issue with Yobresal as well...

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Sorry to here about this buddy.

IMO iam 100% sure that the Laser when was original bought from DTR came with the G1 lens. Before he sold it to you he swapped it out which is so simple to do.

It Upsets me that he is actually laughing at you and calling you names.

If you want to meet up with him to get your money back let me know. I can come with all my Russian Friends.



I think we need to have some kind Of rule set for selling.! Period.

As >90% of the scam's have Low Low Posts and No Rep or fresh accounts.

I think there needs to be rule in place to not allow Low Post and Low rep people to sell stuff Or they are required to use a middle man if they want to sell until the reach XXX mount of post and Rep.

However there will be exception because there is alot of great low post low rep members that i know of.

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^^^Thanks for the offer Lazeerer

Frankly I doubt this guy would show, or if he did, that he wouldn't cause some kind of a scene. From the tone of his visitor messages (which he's since erased and made no sense in) I got the feeling that he would make a scene. I can just see him yelling "Duck he's got a laser!" in a place with a ton of cops and pointing at me lol.

DTR Pmed me after seeing this thread, and apparently what happened is the guy mailed him all the parts (including a g1 lens) and DTR assembled it for him. That's what the other thread in the vet's section is about.

With most hosts in general, and this one specifically, it is extremely easy to swap out a lens.

It took all of two seconds for me to do it the other night, to check if the laser still performs as it did originally... it does. With a g1 it hit a peak of 1.5W+

I do agree that maybe some kind of a rule should be established, that a middle man is to be used for transactions with new members with low post count, short tenure and no rep.

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I do agree that maybe some kind of a rule should be established, that a middle man is to be used for transactions with new members with low post count, short tenure and no rep.
It doesn't need to be a rule.... It is common sense...

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It doesn't need to be a rule.... It is common sense...

I've now dealt with two new members in the past six
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It is Common sense for sure but making it a rule will make it a little harder for the scammers to post stuff and scam someone. SO they might not even bother in the first place.

But yes I agree Just mention that you want a Middleman and if they don't want to deal with that then most likely they are up to something.
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Making it a Rule to use a middleman is like making it a
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It is just common sense... IMO

I think there are enough rules in the world already to
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I disagree. A middle man would have been able to check the output and verify that the lens was indeed a G-1
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Using a middle man is in general a good idea.

In this case I didn't use one because there was plenty of input from other members on the thread. I knew the guy didn't build the laser, and that DTR's rep when it comes to putting lasers together was and is great.

I figured at worst if I didn't get it, I could file a paypal claim for non receipt. At the time I also didn't have an LPM or know the difference between an aixiz and g1 lens. My expertise was limited to g1 = better

I'm also not at all certain a middle man would have been able to help. What I mean is, it would have taken someone who does have an LPM and g1 lense to thoroughly test this laser to see the problem. A quick click On to confirm that it works would not have been enough. Asking for a detailed examination from a middle man, is asking a bit too much imo.

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Well then I stand corrected.

I had no idea that middlemen where so thorough. Good thing Swim didn't use a middleman with the gas laser he sold. It might have been DOA after the "verification".
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Well then I stand corrected.

I had no idea that middlemen where so thorough. Good thing Swim didn't use a middleman with the gas laser he sold. It might have been DOA after the "verification".
That's exactly the problem, and also puts the middle man in a weird position.

Unless of course middle men are limited strictly to guys on here who do have an LPM.

Maybe a compromise would be to impose a middle man fee.

Cost of shipping the laser one way and a token amount for the time and effort on the part of the middle man.

Who would be responsible for paying it though? 50/50? The buyer, or the seller?
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Making it a Rule to use a middleman is like making it a
rule in a restaurant to not stick your fork in your eye...
It is just common sense... IMO

I think there are enough rules in the world already to
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for themselves...

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Fair Point.

I guess what i was trying to say is maybe they would never post the bad sale if they had to go through all the trouble. Almost like blocking spammers by asking questions when you sign up for example.


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Using a middle man is in general a good idea.

In this case I didn't use one because there was plenty of input from other members on the thread. I knew the guy didn't build the laser, and that DTR's rep when it comes to putting lasers together was and is great.

I figured at worst if I didn't get it, I could file a paypal claim for non receipt. At the time I also didn't have an LPM or know the difference between an aixiz and g1 lens. My expertise was limited to g1 = better

I'm also not at all certain a middle man would have been able to help. What I mean is, it would have taken someone who does have an LPM and g1 lense to thoroughly test this laser to see the problem. A quick click On to confirm that it works would not have been enough. Asking for a detailed examination from a middle man, is asking a bit too much imo.

Well a middle man would be someone that knows there stuff and has XXX Equitment to test the laser and i dont think they would mind to do a 1 minute test on a LPM and unscrew the lens in this case to make sure what lens is there.

If someone asked me to look at there laser before they buy it i would make sure to test everything before giving the OK it checks out to what the seller description is.!

If i would give the OK and it dint then there would be a problem. But stuff like the laser died 1 day later really cannot be tested. But you know what i mean.

A middleman is always the way to go if you have doubts. IMO
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