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IMNHO this was a mistake, Jay.

This was pure extortion by a person unwilling or unable to accept responsibility for his own ineptitude.

You paid "hush money."

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Sometimes it's far less effort to simply pay out than continue to deal with the problems. For $13 it just isn't worth the effort, hassle and bad publicity even when you are right.

Everyone could tell Jayrob was getting frustrated with the whole situation, if a small payout gets rid of that frustration and allows both parties to move on then the right or wrong of it doesn't matter.


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Sometimes it's far less effort to simply pay out than continue to deal with the problems. For $13 it just isn't worth the effort, hassle and bad publicity even when you are right.

Everyone could tell Jayrob was getting frustrated with the whole situation, if a small payout gets rid of that frustration and allows both parties to move on then the right or wrong of it doesn't matter.
I can understand that if it was a normal situation, however he has already bashed Jayrob so that argument doesn't hold water.
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+1 for you Vaporizer wish all LPF members thought like you.
Inevitably, things like this will happen. People do make mistakes, and sometimes without knowing too. It's unreasonable to immediately blame the seller if the part breaks, especially if the process in which the parts where handled and assembled were questionable.

Plexus, you are nothing but a lowlife asshat.

First of all, the public forum is not the place for your pathetic attempt to extort free stuff from either flamingpyro or Jayrob. If you have an issue, you PM the seller first. Only when the seller refuses to respond do you take the matter to the open forum.

Secondly, there was a damn good reason why they didn't offer you anything. You were responsible for the death of both the driver and the diode. I, and along with any other person who has their head screwed on right, do not see why the seller should refund/compensate you for your failure to look after the parts.

Not only that, you refused to accept the fact that you were the cause of the parts' failure, not the sellers. You refused to listen to anyone on the forum, most notably the ESD issue.

It is blindingly obvious that it couldn't have been bad handling by Flamingpyro. A diode that has been affected by ESD would have in no way lasted a full hour, especially at the currents you drove it at.

Did you consider at all the effect of de-soldering and re-soldering the driver and diode assembly, including attaching that stupid LASORB? Did you possibly consider that the heat involved in the constant soldering could have you an effect? Oh, wait, you're always right and everyone else is always wrong. You're perfect. So it couldn't have been you.

Did you ever consider the effect of ESD while the diode was in the module? A LASORB won't save your diode's ass from ESD. Just because it's connected to a driver and a LASORB doesn't mean it's magically immune from ESD. It doesn't take a lot to zap a diode, and it's more than possible that your diode was fried before it even made it into the host.

If the diode indeed was killed by FlamingPyro, there would be no way it could have lasted for one whole hour. ESD damage does not suddenly manifest many hours later. I'm sure that if it was his fault, and if the diode did die in minutes, or instantly, FlamingPyro would have replaced it immediately, and it would be extremely damaging to his LPF reputation if he did not do so.

I'm also sure that Jayrob warned you about the driver issue with his SS kit. It was up to you, as the buyer, to take heed of the warning. He warned you, and you didn't listen. So it's not Jayrob's fault, it's yours.

On top of that, you say you only want 'customer service', not free stuff. So why did you ask for compesnation for your time in the earlier threads, then delete the requests after everything started to heat up? And what else would your so-called 'customer service' result in other than compensation for your own mistakes?

There's no point in lying. You did the wrong thing, but you decided that somehow it wasn't your problem, and you decided to drag Jayrob and Flamingpyro through the mud for your own mistakes. You knew well that doing that would result in some form of compensation from either seller in an attempt to get you to shut up and to protect their reputation.

Worst of all, you lied about it all. In your second thread, you specifically asked for some form of refund from the sellers. When it was clear it wasn't going to happen, you simply went through and deleted all your posts to cover your tracks.

And you also -repped rpaloalto for pointing out the obvious. He didn't misquote you, he never quoted you to begin with. He was only pointing out the truth. And I suppose you, much like wannaburn, don't like the truth out in the open forum, especially when it's potentially damaging to your cause. So you try to cover over it in any way you can.

Nor do you address any of the issues raised by any other members. You just let their posts fly straight over your head, without even attempting to address their concerns. Yet you expect everyone else to listen to you. The irony, it kills.

Paying back Jayrob $13 doesn't make you any better of a person. You're essentially paying off half of something you should never have taken. And that makes you a good person again, how?

Don't think that we can't see what you're doing. Unfortunately, most people here aren't dumb enough to fall for your tricks.

Lowlife scum with no sense of morality like yourself is not welcome here. Perhaps when you realise that you aren't always right, and when you can act ethically, you'll be welcome back here.



Jayrob, you did the wrong thing in falling to his extortion attempt.

He clearly did the wrong thing, and he admitted it in multiple threads (which he has since deleted). It was his fault, not yours.

Nor it was your responsibility to compensate him for his own mistakes. Although you may feel bad about not talking to him enough, it makes no difference. He was at fault, and the fact that he lied, and tried to blame you, makes it no less acceptable. Most other sellers would have just ignored him, and perhaps even dragged him out into the open for a round of name and shame.

By giving him another driver, you're surrendering to him and in effect reinforcing his sense that he is right, when he isn't.

I can understand the desire to shut him up and protect your own reputation, but it wasn't necessary. Everyone's already seen what he's doing. FlamingPyro did the right thing and simply ignored him.

Sooner or later he'd have gotten banned, and the threads removed. By giving in you're simply encouraging him.

What that does is simply open the door to more people dragging others through the mud for their personal gain. It'll be the new scammer game, and it's best not to encourage this sort of wrong and unacceptable behavior.



TL;DR: Plexus is a pretentious, immoral asshat and Jayrob shouldn't have given in to his demands.
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Jayrobs a good guy. He's given me a second chance once. I did something to the driver and I payed for a new one but was not charged for the work of him installing it. He didn't have to do that either.

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At the end of the day, we all know Jayrob is a 1000% good guy. If $13 is what he wanted to pay shut this bell end up, so be it.

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All things considered, I made the decision on my own to refund the $26 bucks.
And the refund from jayrob was neither expected or wanted. But the communication we had around it in the last few days was greatly appreciated. I wanted to give the $26 back but jay said keep it. I felt giving 1/2 of it back would echo his good will back to him. This is about more than money and both jay and I understand this. I am just happy that he and I are comfortable with how it turned out. We were able to make this a positive learning experience despite all the name calling and negative destructive input from the membership in this forum.
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And the refund from jayrob was neither expected or wanted. But the communication we had around it in the last few days was greatly appreciated. I wanted to give the $26 back but jay said keep it. I felt giving 1/2 of it back would echo his good will back to him. This is about more than money and both jay and I understand this. I am just happy that he and I are comfortable with how it turned out. We were able to make this a positive learning experience despite all the name calling and negative destructive input from the membership in this forum.
Oh, thanks for the -rep. Much appreciated.

What you are doing is extorting FlamingPyro and Jayrob.

You have dragged them through the open forum, trashtalking about them and trying to do as much harm to their reputations as possible. Why?

Because you're too pretentious to own up to failures caused by your own incompetence.

So instead, you want them to compensate you for your mistakes.

And what you did was start threads trashtalking about both of them until you got what you wanted.

If that isn't extortion, I don't know what is.

Jayrob finally gave in under your pressure. I trust that FlamingPyro will not do the same.

Scum like yourself aren't welcome here. We don't care if you build a HeNe when you were in uni. We don't care if you know everything like you make yourself out to be. And to quote one of the veterans:

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Everyone could tell Jayrob was getting frustrated with the whole situation, if a small payout gets rid of that frustration and allows both parties to move on then the right or wrong of it doesn't matter.
Just to reiterate. I did not ask for any money back. Jay contacted me about what I wanted and I gave him a list which included a number of points around communication with me. That's all I really wanted. He understood and we communicated around the issue. Then I get a refund without asking or expecting it. I told him I would send it back and he said keep it. That's when I sent 1/2 back thinking that it Jay felt it was important to refund me.

It wasn't about the money. I am not sure why this is lost on you. There really is nothing positive or constructive about unprovoked name calling and such harsh words to both myself and Jay. We resolved the situation together, mutually and amicably. That is a very good thing.
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Plexus, you're much too stupid to read, aren't you?

Stop skipping over posts which aren't in your favour.

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Oh, thanks for the -rep. Much appreciated.

What you are doing is extorting FlamingPyro and Jayrob.

You have dragged them through the open forum, trashtalking about them and trying to do as much harm to their reputations as possible. Why?

Because you're too pretentious to own up to failures caused by your own incompetence.

So instead, you want them to compensate you for your mistakes.

And what you did was start threads trashtalking about both of them until you got what you wanted.

If that isn't extortion, I don't know what is.

Jayrob finally gave in under your pressure. I trust that FlamingPyro will not do the same.

Scum like yourself aren't welcome here. We don't care if you build a HeNe when you were in uni. We don't care if you know everything like you make yourself out to be. And to quote one of the veterans:



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Dude, if you tried this around my area you would get the biggest punch to the teeth!

You are scum, no two ways about it. You made Jay feel guilty for something that was your fault and in return kept half the value of the driver. IMHO if you want to even begin to redeem your self... fully refund Jay with out contacting or with out him expecting it... just like how he refunded you.

I just wish the ban hammer actually did some physical damage....
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I hope sellers here will take note of you high expectations of customer support, and decide, before selling to you, whether they feel they can live up to it, or should refer you elsewhere.
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Letting this scammer stay here is a mark on the reputation of this forum.

This is beyond ridiculous. How is he not banned yet? Even Dave knows it's extortion.
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Just to reiterate. I did not ask for any money back. Jay contacted me about what I wanted and I gave him a list which included a number of points around communication with me. That's all I really wanted. He understood and we communicated around the issue. Then I get a refund without asking or expecting it. I told him I would send it back and he said keep it. That's when I sent 1/2 back thinking that it Jay felt it was important to refund me.

It wasn't about the money. I am not sure why this is lost on you. There really is nothing positive or constructive about unprovoked name calling and such harsh words to both myself and Jay. We resolved the situation together, mutually and amicably. That is a very good thing.
What Jayrob did is what I would do... Grease the Squeaky Wheel
so that the whole train doesn't get derailed...

You cut your loses before it affects your business or life.

I'm in the middle of something very similar as we speak with
another member of this Forum that may blow out of proportion
in the near future...

I've decided to cut my loses by this SCAMMER rather than loose
sleep over it and tarnish our business reputation.

It does not mean that my customer is right... it means I will
pay to shut him up and go away...

Like Lee Iacocca said "Don't get mad... get even". That's one
of my mottos...

@ Pontiacg5.... I don't get it... you seem to be the most outspoken
person against Plexus ... Did he personally try to rip you off...
You seem to exhibit a bit too much hate on this issue...

BTW... You can do as you've done before and send the Admin an
E-Mail stating your reasons for wanting a member banned... You can
even get your buddies to do the same... I'm sure he will get banned
that way...

It has been handled by Jayrob... and I'm sure he wants to put it
behind him...


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True words Jerry.

I think pontiac's problem is he doesnt like seeing good guys getting ripped off.

On the other hand i can see Jayrobs point, mud sticks...so he wants a little mud as possible.
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