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Old 06-22-2010, 07:18 AM #1
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Default Fantastic Buying Experience with Laser_Ben!

I want to publicly thank Ben for selling me a very unique laser. My research has all but confirmed that it's one of the lab prototypes built by Raytheon in the last quarter of 1960 or the first quarter of '61 (possibly one of only six) for the very first commercial laser ever produced for sale. It's a ruby laser head that's missing its cover and so there's no label information attached to it.

The first pic shows the head without its cover. The second pic is from "Masers and Lasers" by H. Arthur Klein (1963), showing the laser with part of the cavity reflector cut away. This one has a conical rod holder and mine is cylindrical. I also have internal Raytheon documentation describing this as the "laboratory prototype of elliptical optical maser". The third pic is from "The Story of the Laser" by John M. Carroll (1964), and shows the full head in the arm of Clarence Luck from Raytheon.

Ben told me he found it on ebay as a "buy it now" for next to nothing, and he snatched it right up thinking it might be one similar to another I have. He brought it over to my house a week ago and it's taken this long to hear from my contacts at Raytheon.

I could hardly hold my enthusiasm, and I'm certain he saw it. He could've reamed me and he didn't. This is one stand-up man, despite some rocky deals that might have been reported here and occasional rough patches of communication. Real life gets in the way of all our hobby activities, especially on the internet where we expect instant gratification. Let's cut each other some slack.

So here's to Laser_Ben!
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You're a lucky man. Not all of his deals go down well.

Nice score here.

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You're a lucky man. Not all of his deals go down well.

Nice score here.

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And what more do you want dave? I offered you a refund and said you could keep the laser and you declined it! I still have it sitting here if you want it...
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And what more do you want dave? I offered you a refund and said you could keep the laser and you declined it! I still have it sitting here if you want it...
I am so sorry I missed this when you posted it. I had Eidetic on "ignore" at the time and you did NOT copy this offer to me.

I have ALL of our correspondence saved. You you offered me a 1/2 refund *IF* I would let you ship it back to me insured so that you could make a claim against the post office on a laser that you KNEW was already broken. That, my friend, is called mail fraud and/or insurance fraud. I will NOT participate in such a scheme.

You shipped a laser to me that was either already broken or was broken in shipment to me.

You gave a "not DOA" guarantee

It was DOA

I asked for a refund at that time, and offered to either provide it to the post office (so you could make a claim) or ship it back to you

YOU asked for me to send it to you

I did

You did NOT refund on the "Not DOA" guarantee

You accused ME of packaging it badly so that it broke in shipment to you. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ALREADY BROKEN AND I USED YOUR PACKAGING TO SEND IT BACK.

You said it got "more broken" in shipment to you. Since it was already broken, you have absolutely no basis for that statement. It was DOA and should have been fully refunded at that time. And yet, THAT is the reason you refused to refund my money.

You NEVER offered me a full refund under your "not DOA" guarantee AND you asked me to participate in a mail fraud scheme.

You still have BOTH the laser AND ALL of my money

The RIGHT thing to do would be to send me a full refund under your "not DOA" guarantee. Until then, in my book, you are a thief and a con.

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Default Re: Fantastic Buying Experience with Laser_Ben!

Sorry to hear that. Here are some of the things that ben accused me of doing, so he really knows all the tricks of the trade.

His scams work in one of three ways:

First Way
Sells an item that he claims to work in a certain way and fit a certain application.
Buyer purchases the item, receives it, and it appears to be the correct item though, not tested.
Buyer leaves positive feedback
A few weeks or months later, buyer begins to use the item and realizes the item is not as it was described.
By this point, the deadline for a paypal dispute is passed, or if a dispute is filed, Ben can reference the positive feedback and say it is proof they received the right item.

Second Way
Sells an item that he claims to work in a certain way and fit a certain application.
Buyer purchases the item, receives it, and proceeds to test it.
Buyer Discovers item is not as described and complains
Seller offers a return for refund
When seller receives item, he can claim it is either not what was shipped or was damaged by buyer.

Third Way
Sells an item that he claims to work in a certain way and fit a certain application.
Seller ships empty envelope with delivery confirmation to random address in same city as buyer.
Tracking shows item as delivered to the city with no way of figuring out the actual address of delivery.
Buyer files dispute, seller wins due to proof of shipping


Ben's (eBay Member id scotchtech BANNED...) all time favorite method of scamming is:

Sells an item that he claims to work in a certain way and fit a certain application. Than DELIBERATELY packs it very poorly... the unlucky buyer purchases the item, receives it, and proceeds to test it. The buyer then discovers item is not working and complains then he claims "shipping damage" and offers a return for refund. When he receives the item, he can claim it is either not what was shipped or was damaged by buyer. Since it was a direct sale the Buyer has no recourse, not even with paypal.

Note he bought several NON FUNCTIONAL 15mw blue lasers off of ebay for $15.00 and sold them for $250 each outside of ebay, they were all very badly packed and shipping blamed for the damage most people would realize that the that the guts were worth considerably more than 250 so it was a non issue to most people.

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...light=laserben


Bottom line if you've been dealing with this sort of stuff for YEARS, you will know how to pack it properly.. Ben has a long history of lies and scams. You can read about some of his history here:

Laser Ben

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