Slipstream = Arenared

lasersbee said:

He is not a Judge he is a member with some information and a theory...
He has absolutely no powers to ban anyone...
He is bringing his findings to the Forum and WE the Forum either agree or
disagree with the findings... hopefully with proof of either side...

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Which is exactly why he should not be acting like a judge, stating things as fact when they are actually just vague theories.

lasersbee said:

Are you 100% sure...:thinking:

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What trouble has he caused? As far as I can see it is still only some unpleasant PM conversation he has had with mfo and a small neg rep war which has been any "trouble", and he was hardly the only one at fault there.

lasersbee said:

Seb... I've noticed it a few times... you always seem to root for the
underdog yet you seem to sit on the fence when action needs to be
taken...

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I was the one who started the thread which got Arenared banned, received 4 neg reps for it (one from each of his new accounts which were all banned) and then the one who asked Avery to permaban him when he returned after 3 months for sneaking back in. I spent time giving advice to at least 5 people on how to get their things back from Jake and reporting him when he had not sent out builds for months or had sent out broken builds and refused to repair them. I recently reported mrgoogfan and also supported him being banned, while providing information to help others decide on it. I hardly think you can claim that I "always root for the underdog" and "sit on the fence when action needs to be taken".

lasersbee said:

Instead of attacking MFO for bringing this to the Table... why don't
you prove a case for Slipstream instead....

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I have already done so. All of Arenared's accounts were banned, then permanently IP banned, but Slipstream's account remained untouched throughout all of this. Also, apart from a short fuse and non-perfect grammar, I do not see a resemblance to Arenared.

Seb

Personally I see no reason to ban Slipstream, and it just seems like a personal argument that has caused this thread to come about.

The whole IP buisness goes over my head, but from what I've read that IP covers the whole of LA? If it does then it wouldn't make any sense too assume slip is arenard since LA as stated before is a BIG place, how ever if that IP covers only a small area that I can indeed see the sense.

Furthermore, Slip was posting when the whole Arenard issue arose, so unless he was already posting on two different accounts because he knew he was going to get banned before he even started causing trouble (or he's schizophrenic) that also doesn't make much sense.

Also if I remember correctly arenard was a blatant troll, and would argue till blue in the face... Slipstream has been pretty calm and rational and been mature enough to not break out into a full blow argument.

1) a member is accused of being a banned member...
2) a lot of forum Members (mostly new) complain it can't be him

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I always thought the "new members" just jump on what ever the vets say and agree what ever.

Innocent until proven guilty, and in this case there is small amount of evidence against him.


How ever if it turns out he is arenard I apologize, I'm just trying to be fair and not jump to conclusions, I have nothing against Mfo posting info, just maybe you could do it in a more subtle way rather than just assuming it's arenard no questions asked?

The data in the first post indicates someone, in a very similar IP range and therefore geographical area, using the same ISP. IPs can be changed by unplugging your router for a few hours, at least with the ISP as suggested in the first post (not a business link) From my own experience, in the UK at least, the IP ranges change quite rapidly over a very short distance, and will do especially in dense urban areas.

Those facts, whilst inconclusive, are pretty strong evidence for them being the same person - as to whether he should be banned or not, that depends on how you treat the evidence and the severity of his offending (both under current and previous aliases). From what I've seen, Slipstream's been cool and pretty unoffensive, so unless there's stuff going on behind the scenes then I see no real reason that he should be banned.

ElektroFreak said:

Well, I have noticed that you ALWAYS pop up wherever there is drama afoot. Very few flame threads go without your unneeded input... Let's let the evidence speak.

If you're tired of the image you created for yourself, neither Jeff, Seb, nor myself can help you with that.

Anyway, we're no longer discussing slipstream here, and this topic doesn't belong here. If you wish to continue to discuss your image, we should start a new thread.

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The image I created for myself? I guess I've been receiving a buttload of positive reps because people hate me? Sorry Mr. Perfect, I will put a lid on it now.

lasersbee said:

Yeah... MFO... ya needs ta chill a bit....
We are supposed to be discussing this Thread...
not attacking each other....:beer:

Jerry

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You're right, I admit I do go from 0~60 pretty quick, but hey we're all different. Anyhow, you're right which is why I'm done with this thread. If you all want to believe me that's cool. If not, that's cool too.

daguin said:

And that's what happens when you shoot the messenger.

Everybody lives in the dark.

Peace,
dave

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QFT.

Jaseth said:

Which is exactly why he should not be acting like a judge, stating things as fact when they are actually just vague theories.


What trouble has he caused? As far as I can see it is still only some unpleasant PM conversation he has had with mfo and a small neg rep war which has been any "trouble", and he was hardly the only one at fault there.

I was the one who started the thread which got Arenared banned, received 4 neg reps for it (one from each of his new accounts which were all banned) and then the one who asked Avery to permaban him when he returned after 3 months for sneaking back in. I spent time giving advice to at least 5 people on how to get their things back from Jake and reporting him when he had not sent out builds for months or had sent out broken builds and refused to repair them. I recently reported mrgoogfan and also supported him being banned, while providing information to help others decide on it. I hardly think you can claim that I "always root for the underdog" and "sit on the fence when action needs to be taken".


I have already done so. All of Arenared's accounts were banned, then permanently IP banned, but Slipstream's account remained untouched throughout all of this. Also, apart from a short fuse and non-perfect grammar, I do not see a resemblance to Arenared.

Seb

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Seb, there are too many coincidences. Hell, you even added one to the list for me, the fact that it's proven he made multiple accounts.

Everyone can say/think what they want. I'm not posting in this thread anymore. I said what needed to be said, and that was to catch your attentions, and to bring this to light for Avery.

I remember when slip came on the scene he was/is a great member, mfo also.

There has to be some sort of guidelines to calling out a repermabanned or not member out.

Some sort of neutrality for both parties until the "investigation" is done.

I thought the mod was supposed to lock these threads until some sort of verdict was
reached a cooling of period of sort.

Yeah.. the mod is a great addition, but he's not always around..

As I said before, I don't have any issue with mfo (or anyone) bringing up real problems, but if I feel that a "policing" thread exists only because of bad blood between the person starting the thread and the subject of the thread, I'm going to call it as I see it. I think slipstream (or anyone) deserves fair treatment based on the way they've conducted themselves here. After reading 6 pages of slipstream's recent posts I'm just not seeing that his conduct has been repeatedly problematic.

OK now. I was the one who brought this info to MFO, so you can dump this vendetta idea. He is just taking the lead, which is what he should do, and what all of us should do if we find a returning banned member.

Its Louis. I've been watching him a while, and I know others have too. He has kept a moderately cool persona lately. But in PM he lets the old Arena come out. Some of his posts have been heated too, but he has learned to walk away on the open forum, but not PMs. Check his pictures out, its all the same stuff Louis has. He talks like Louis, his name is Louis, he is from the same city. With this info, plus the IP blocks, I'm 90% sure its him.

All you guys who are being negative on these posts, you can either help or shut up. You're adding nothing, because you're defending someone that you dont even know. If you knew this guy not to be Louis OK, but you dont, so either help find proof, or stop wasting everyone's time. Like Dave said, dont shoot the messenger. You should be thankful people are using their own personal time to help the forum.

Edit: Yes he was rebanned.

evidence? why can't SOME sort of evidence be posted? I don't get it... It's asking an awful lot of us to take someone's word for it and act solely on that word. Since you and mfo are attached at the hip, how do we know you're both not acting on a vendetta?

Asherz said:

Personally I see no reason to ban Slipstream, and it just seems like a personal argument that has caused this thread to come about.

Furthermore, Slip was posting when the whole Arenard issue arose, so unless he was already posting on two different accounts because he knew he was going to get banned before he even started causing trouble (or he's schizophrenic) that also doesn't make much sense.

Also if I remember correctly arenard was a blatant troll, and would argue till blue in the face... Slipstream has been pretty calm and rational and been mature enough to not break out into a full blow argument.

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You have posted why you believe that Slipstream is not Arenared
and why... that's the only way this thread should be going...
Show proof of your convictions whether Pro pro Con...

Like I posted in Post #13.....

As to Slipstream being Arenared.... I have no clue.
To date...he hasn't been an obnoxious A$$ like Arenared was.
And if it is Arenared... then he has changed his ways....
which is basically the idea of a Ban.....IMO


Jerry

It would take hours to search for picture comparisons, and posts. I wrote a visiting message that I knew it was him, and to be nice or I'll get him banned, and got not answer. Then he quickly deleted it. He started being a jerk again, so I repped him basically the same message.

I have no reason to lie about it, and my track record is quite solid. He was doing OK till he started to screw with MFO, and other people.

charliebruce said:

The data in the first post indicates someone, in a very similar IP range and therefore geographical area, using the same ISP. IPs can be changed by unplugging your router for a few hours, at least with the ISP as suggested in the first post (not a business link) From my own experience, in the UK at least, the IP ranges change quite rapidly over a very short distance, and will do especially in dense urban areas.

Those facts, whilst inconclusive, are pretty strong evidence for them being the same person - as to whether he should be banned or not, that depends on how you treat the evidence and the severity of his offending (both under current and previous aliases). From what I've seen, Slipstream's been cool and pretty unoffensive, so unless there's stuff going on behind the scenes then I see no real reason that he should be banned.

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No, that's not strong evidence of them being the same person.

That's strong evidence that they are both among the hundreds of thousands of people who use Roadrunner internet service in southern California. IPs are assigned by ISPs almost randomly, not in accordance with any distance. They also change over time, but are still "owned" by the ISP. All it proves is that both screen names log into LPF from a Roadrunner connection in southern California.

Time Warner Cable has 700,000+ subscribers in southern California who could be Roadrunner users, and they also contract out Roadrunner service to several other companies as well. There could very well be 1million+ people whose IP addresses would come up as socal subscribers to Roadrunner, the IP address *proves* nothing. Is it an indicator? Sure, maybe, but not proof of anything.

Tech_Junkie said:

It would take hours to search for picture comparisons, and posts. I wrote a visiting message that I knew it was him, and to be nice or I'll get him banned, and got not answer. Then he quickly deleted it. He started being a jerk again, so I repped him basically the same message.

I have no reason to lie about it, and my track record is quite solid. He was doing OK till he started to screw with MFO, and other people.

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I must say.....
Slipstream is being very quiet about this whole Thread...

Jerry

I am still waiting for some sort of answers to the hypothetical.

What if YOU, personally, found out that SlipStream was, in fact, Arenared?

What would you have done differently than MFO if you had found out first?

How would you feel about MFO's statements after your discovery if it happened now?

Peace,
dave

No, I wrote in an earlier post that I did not want to post here anymore is all.

Nothing to hide from, just reading other threads and topics.

Slipstream said:

No, I wrote in an earlier post that I did not want to post here anymore is all.

Nothing to hide from, just reading other threads and topics.

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LOL! and obviously paying attention to this thread

Peace,
dave

If I found, beyond all doubt, that slipstream is arenared, I'm not sure how I would react. Given that he seems to be a decent member here, I might not do anything. The purpose of a ban can be to rehabilitate. In reality nothing has been proven "beyond all doubt" though. Based on my knowledge of the members who are saying they are the same person, I'd have to say I'm leaning towards this being nothing more than a personal vendetta. mfo and slipstream have had ongoing ill feelings toward each other, which to me is the most likely motivator. Both mfo and TJ have been involved in these kinds of scenarios out of revenge in the past.

I would have made sure that my personal feelings weren't my sole motivator.

And I'm not sure I understand your last question Dave..