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Keep censoring the forum like that when things don't go your way. Remember what it did to the old laser community.

Your greed will ruin this forum. You are making it blatantly obvious that you are only here to turn a profit on the members of this forum. People don't like that much...
 
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i'm not greedy lol, it;s just frustrating how no one seems to understand why a person wants to get something back for the effort they put in.

i could have taken one extra college class this semester, but chose not to, to put effort into this app.

i want their to be a fair balance for the app, and i'm about to post a poll asking what members think the pricing should be.

please try and put yourself in my shoes.

just need to find a fair balance in price for the app.
 

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would you go to work for a job where they paid you nothing?

what is so wrong about wanting ideas to be profitable when running a business? is that such a crazy thing?
 
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Ask for help man, it is a community after all. I'm sure there is a trustworthy someone on here who would help with the app for free.

It's not unreasonable to expect to get something back for a little effort, but you are taking it too far. Remember that the users of this forum get nothing in return for making this forum worth visiting. (Except for respect in some instances, and that's enough sometimes :D ) Some of those people will feel like you are taking advantage of them when you charge a "convenience fee" to make access to the forum easier. Some feel the same when you ask for donations as well as ads.

If you are looking at running the forum as a job then you are doing it for the wrong reasons. So, again I say find someone that wants to help for free. You get your time back, the forum advances technologically and everyone is happy.
 
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unfortunately it's not really the type of thing i can have someone help with. i have to have a dedicated system just for compiling the iphone app lol. and that has all my login information / personal stuff. not really possible to have someone help with it b/c i can't give out my vbulletin / apple credentials or encryption keys for signing the app

i enjoy running the forum overall and learn a lot from it. i do work in IT field after all. from a systems engineering perspective it couldn't be better for me.


i disagree that people get nothing in return for visiting the forum lol. think of all the knowledge they can learn.

i strongly disagree about taking advantage of people. that is the last thing i'm trying to do. just looking for a fair balance for the time i put in, and the services i am providing. i think that is perfectly logical


peace
-ave
 
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Think of all the knowledge you are getting from running the forum then, you yourself said that in your last post. That is part of what you receive in return for running the forum. You also have access to all of the laser related knowledge here, should you choose to use any of it.

The rest of us contribute to the forum as a hobby expecting nothing in return. If you are doing it solely for profit than there will be friction.

Thanks for keeping this thread open though. I'd like anyone else to voice their opinion as well. If I'm being unreasonable please tell me so!
 

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<edit i replied before seeing your reply lol>

not doing solely for profit lol. but i learn a lot about new technologies whether it is modsecurity, litespeed, apache, php, perl, centos, cisco. it's good for my technology / security career in general.

separate subject but also wanted to call out that i am making an effort to reduce the # of banner ad on the forum. for one recent banner i could have renewed it for 1 year, but decided to decline to free up more space on the site (as i promised i would). overall have reduced # of total banners by about 4 or 5 on the main page.


i am looking forward to another great year in 2012. the core of LPF will always involve neutrality (just the other day advertiser paid for sticky thread and got banned for creating duplicate account which is forbidden explicitly), laid back, fun environment. if u think i'm doing something dumb u can always tell me lol. i'm not perfect and i don't think anyone in the world is

have fun enjoy teh site and thx for the feedback as always
peace
-=c0ld=-
 
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I'd like anyone else to voice their opinion as well. If I'm being unreasonable please tell me so!

I'd like this forum to be so financially successful that Avery can quit his day job and concentrate completely on running the forum.

The internet is NOT free

Peace,
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Just throwin' it out there, but would it be at all possible to move the adchoices and ads by google frames further down the page, like all the way to the bottom? They still make it so that I have to scroll a full 1080 pixels of screen down to get to any content.

Dave: I know the internet is not free, and you'll see that I never asked for the forum to be completely free. There needs to be a balance. Too many ads and people will leave, too many fees to do little things and people will leave. An internet forum can be a delicate thing, if too many knowledgeable members leave because of frustration than eventually there will be nothing left.

Something somewhat similar happened to lasercommunity.com a while back. They started censoring people, Avery being one of them, so some people started to leave. Some stayed since they thought the forum was too strong to empty but it eventually did. I think something similar might happen, so I say so.
 
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i made some minor changes on the top which should help. don't think can change anything else there though. keep in mind recently did remove a large banner up there. so should be major improvements overall

i understand there need to be a balance and that why reducing # of ad overall.


trust me that censorship never an issue here lol. all companies hav fair / honest treatment. just the other day and advertiser got banned (who was paying me for a sticky) for violating the rules lol


9:50PM gotta go to sleep soon,

be well, all
peace
-ave
 
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i think the forum is run great. i don't donate often but i don't feel bad about it because of the ads.... cash, grass, or ass lol. I want the forum to be sucessful for the sake of it not going anywhere.

think of it like this... we all acknowledge that LPF is the greatest laser site online. So why would Ave deserve a more than the norm? now if this was that "real life doll" site that was posted in the fail section i would say avery and zara need to be locked up lol


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Lol deleted the thread, and you still don't reply to emails / PMs Avery.... very nice.

EDIT: And because you don't seem to actually care much about anything on the forum Avery, you rarely if EVER comment in threads that have no relation to YOU putting MONEY in YOUR POCKET and you don't even bother to type in full sentences 99% of the time... If there was 0 profit, you wouldn't even bother with the forum would you? The forum should have an owner that is actually interested in the damn hobby the forum is about, do you even own any lasers anymore? Sure as hell don't see you post anything of value about them.

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I've learned a long time ago that life IS NOT FREE.....no matter how
you slice it.

I can't see anything wrong with the OWNER of this Forum asking
to be compensated for the time, efforts or expenses laid out for
an extra/additional feature can be added to the Forum for mobile
accessibility...

If someone doesn't want the Feature I don't think they will be
forced to purchase it...

The market will decide whether the cost of this added feature
(app) will sell... But it is still up to the OWNER what he wants to
do....
If he decides to shut this whole Forum down tomorrow... It is
his decision alone... not any single member here...IMO


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Lol deleted the thread, and you still don't reply to emails / PMs Avery.... very nice.

EDIT: And because you don't seem to actually care much about anything on the forum Avery, you rarely if EVER comment in threads that have no relation to YOU putting MONEY in YOUR POCKET and you don't even bother to type in full sentences 99% of the time... If there was 0 profit, you wouldn't even bother with the forum would you? The forum should have an owner that is actually interested in the damn hobby the forum is about, do you even own any lasers anymore? Sure as hell don't see you post anything of value about them.

-Dustin

I agree about the ignorance Avery shows.Av, I don' remember getting a reply to my last pm.. Being into the laser hobby doesn't bother me at all. He just takes care of the forum after all. That is enough for me. As for the profit, I agree with Pontiac. It's obvious.. I mean, what are the moderators for? LPF is the first forum I've seen where the most "brb quick maintenace's are made". Seriously I go to check my pms and new posts and there that message appears. Why so many checks? Does the server really need that much care? :wtf:
 
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Uh Oh. I might be stepping into it or stirring up something now but...

Firstly I will say that I read this thread and had no idea what it was related too. I figured out it was about some pricing issue concerning something and looked around for more.
Then I found a thread concerning a pricing for a mobile app and figured that this is probably what it's about.
So now to comment a bit on some of the items in THIS thread :

The first comment about "censoring" the forum - As far as I know, this whole thing is here because of one person starting it up. As long as his name is the one that signs the payments being made to keep it all up then, just to be honest, he has all the power and right to do as he sees fit with it. That being said, if he abuses the rights/privileges of this position then the forum will wither and die, like has been pointed out.
I think that Avery has quite a good grasp on things and even takes his lumps from members quite willingly for most things. Every instance of a thread being eliminated or deleted is usually based on solid grounds, even if everybody doesn't agree with it.

The replies concerning Avery wanting some retribution for all his efforts is not out of line or unfair. He simply wants to try to reduce his losses on a project that was undertaken for the good of the forum community that, it looks like, is taking far more than anticipated.
Looking at the other thread concerning pricing supports this conclusion. There are ongoing issues that are demanding more & more from him to keep up. Some compensation should be awarded but there is no way for it to happen without him bringing it forward in some way. He has done this now.

Then an offer to secure qualified voluntary assistance was suggested. This is a good idea initially but the application and logistics will be significantly difficult, as was alluded to in subsequent postings. As the one suggesting this can not perform the duties, while it is a good concept it may be considered as not applicable, unless someone else can fill in.

The comment about the participation of the “Admin” in the forum is a bit narrow-minded and full of emotion. If you take a look at just how much activity and how many members occurs even on a daily basis you would realize that there is no way to be involved in ALL of them. The part that Avery plays here is, by definition, behind the scenes. He is what makes it all work as well and seamlessly as it does. He collects the billings, pays the bills, keeps the lights on, and performs a growing quantity of “pest control” ! He massages the lumps, fills in the potholes, and puts out the fires. He also has a full time job that he must spend at least a little time working on or his employer might reduce his pay.

(Sorry to skip you Dave, but your even-tempered words of wisdom never require further comment. Your eloquence speaks for itself.)

I find no fault in the “Admin” introducing the topic that concerns him in his own forum. How it was done may be a matter for debate but that would be another issue that detracts from the main one so let that go for now.
So the question remains, how can Avery be expected to spend more & more time involved in this ever growing forum (and resulting spin-offs) without being compensated ? What would you do in his place ?

Any helpful suggestions, I'm sure would be appreciated.
 
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Let me preface this by saying that I don't have nearly as much of a history here as some of you do.

I'm ok with profit, and understand that it takes time to run a forum, but if it is being treated as a business, then it should be held to higher standards. Or people can and will take their business elsewhere.

I've been on other forums. Sometimes they went down for a day every couple of months for service, but there wasn't server maintenance every day, and when there was, it was scheduled.

Certain trolls are also allowed to run amok, but that's a different topic.

Either way, business or hobby, this forum is what it is, not because of a server or any single person, but because of the people in it.

As far as the App goes, the site is perfectly (if annoyingly due to ads) accessible via mobile browsers, and no one is forced to buy it. So long as there is no requirement to buy it, to me it makes no difference.
 
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