Should reckless seller be banned

This poll is in regards to member Sparkles. there has been major conflict with his sales, claims, and warranties in this thread
http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/pay-repair-laser-15-min-use-61818.html

while the last page and a half deal with him and 1 particular member, i feel the whole thread shows how wreckless he is as a seller. I feel his business practices are detrimental to our hobby. Please vote. If you are not willing to give your opininon on the matter then please don't vote.

michael.

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And I'll just quote this very good reason for my vote:

qumefox said:

Not to mention selling complete non-compliant lasers in the US is generally frowned upon by a certain regulatory agency, and I imagine the fines should one catch their attention wouldn't be cheap.

Selling one here or there is generally tolerated.. so long as it isn't wide spread... or advertised.

Doing both... coupled with other... inconsistencies... about this whole debacle, is sure to (and has) aroused the ire in most forum members, myself included, that don't want to see our hobby legislated out of existence.

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Fool us once----shame on you!:tsk:


Fool us twice----shame on us!!



Fool us again----- break out the ban hammer!:banned:

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Yes this guy is an idiot , and makes tons of claims that are false! U can't say this is a 2W laser without an lpm, how do you know that? How can u say Any laser can run 80 minutes NON STOP until you try it yourself? He's an idiot and needs to go away

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*putting on devil's advocate hat*

I look at it this way.
He'd have to do a major overhaul to his entire act, including:
1. Acknowledging where the design came from, credit where it's due. He owes a HUGE apology to the original designer and seller.
2. Making realistic (conservative) claims in his sales regading duty cycle and output power.
3. Honoring warranty, and taking care of it quickly and without hassle.
4. Getting the legal stuff straightend out, what with OEM and FDA compliant and whatnot.

I'd say if he can deal with these issues in a satisfactory manner until, say, this friday, let him stay.
(It's unlikely this will happen though)

Otherwise::banned:!
Cut the cancer before it grows into a big problem.

I'll cast my vote this saturday.

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I don't know the final outcome from the original problem with the buyer & seller, which generally justifies a decision from me based on voting... But after reading the entire thread and learning about the shadiness, false representation and most certainly plagiarizing one of this forums most respected members - I have no tolerance and share everyone's disgust above.

On the other hand I hope this guy learns from this experience and turns it into something positive if he should decide to go about something like this again.

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My perspective -

His approach to selling is wrong - in my opinion unethical, reckless, and exploitative.

But if we ban him from here, he's going to go sell the same crap on Craigslist, or some other forum. End result is the same potentially negative impact on this hobby, though admittedly not directly connected to this board.

Why not allow him to stay, with restrictions on him selling in the future? At least he can learn from the board, and become a better human being... am I being naive?

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danefex said:

I don't know the final outcome from the original problem with the buyer & seller, which generally justifies a decision from me based on voting... But after reading the entire thread and learning about the shadiness, false representation and most certainly plagiarizing one of this forums most respected members - I have no tolerance and share everyone's disgust above.

On the other hand I hope this guy learns from this experience and turns it into something positive if he should decide to go about something like this again.

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i don't have a problem with the whole drama of him not fixing that one kids laser. that is a small part. I feel he is is putting money before safety. and is harming the image of our hobby.
as for putting restrictions, you really cant. as long as pms are available. then we would have to have secret police to monitor the pms.

i am not asking or a perma ban. that will be up to c0ld and the mods.

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rhd said:

My perspective -

His approach to selling is wrong - in my opinion unethical, reckless, and exploitative.

But if we ban him from here, he's going to go sell the same crap on Craigslist, or some other forum. End result is the same potentially negative impact on this hobby, though admittedly not directly connected to this board.

Why not allow him to stay, with restrictions on him selling in the future? At least he can learn from the board, and become a better human being... am I being naive?

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let him sell on craigslist... LPF gives him credibility when he shouldn't have any. The news always wants to attack the biggest. and as far as pointers go, LPF is the biggest.

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Sorry but I think you are and there are many more standing right beside you !

We don't want to be associated with this kind of person, there
are lots out there like him and we can't help them all !

rhd said:

My perspective -am I being naive?

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Flaminpyro said:

...there are lots out there like him and we can't help them all !

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You're right. And you know what - this problem is going to get worse as diodes get even cheaper, and more videos hit youtube of lasers "burning stuff". To maintain credibility and legitimacy, the community has to self-police. It's not largely different from the theory behind professional organizations. If you want to maintain autonomy, you need to demonstrate that you handle malpractice appropriately on your own. So ya - my naivety is gone. I'm for a ban.

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I do not want any sellers here who are less that trustworthy and aware of what they are selling.

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This guy has 16 yes' and 0 no's

This guy needs to go

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chipdouglas, could you be bothered to remove the extra "w" in the threads title?
The way it is now, it's meaning is somewhat the opposite of what you likely meant.:crackup:

Funny that a non-native english speaker had to notice this. :tinfoil:

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Well he is not entiely to blame, the other guy should have grown some brain cells and not left the laser on for 10 minutes, he even claimed it got "to hot to touch" but still continued the test???

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jakeGT said:

Yes this guy is an idiot , and makes tons of claims that are false! U can't say this is a 2W laser without an lpm, how do you know that? How can u say Any laser can run 80 minutes NON STOP until you try it yourself? He's an idiot and needs to go away

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I had an LPM when I metered ALL of my lasers. I have a new one on the way as well. I didn't claim it reached 2W until I had the PICTURE of it doing just that. I am sure you have read my post and know that I had LPMed my lasers because you sent me 2 emails about it. Why are you saying that I am making a false claim? Its kind of sad. As far as the 80 minutes non-stop that was in reference to the batteries life with the laser on. A simple miscommunication. I have changed that part of my sales thread.

anselm said:

*putting on devil's advocate hat*

I look at it this way.
He'd have to do a major overhaul to his entire act, including:
1. Acknowledging where the design came from, credit where it's due. He owes a HUGE apology to the original designer and seller.
2. Making realistic (conservative) claims in his sales regading duty cycle and output power.
3. Honoring warranty, and taking care of it quickly and without hassle.
4. Getting the legal stuff straightend out, what with OEM and FDA compliant and whatnot.

I'd say if he can deal with these issues in a satisfactory manner until, say, this friday, let him stay.
(It's unlikely this will happen though)

Otherwise::banned:!
Cut the cancer before it grows into a big problem.

I'll cast my vote this saturday.

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1. For a 2 weeks I gave credit where credit was due: to jayrob and DTR, the godfathers of monster builds. I even posted a link to jayrob's build in case they preferred to buy from him directly. On the recommendation of one of my customers that it was too wordy and long to read I took off the statement. I contacted jayrob 2 months before I even put these on sale. He said he preferred if I didn't but ok.. I told him this was a one time deal, I wanted to try my hand at a batch and had already bought the parts.
2. I have changed my sales thread to a 4 minute on / 1 minute off cycle. I believe this to be realistic.
3. I stand behind my product 100% why would I not when reputation matters more then anything else? Like I posted elsewhere Watson (the customer) said he had 5 years of experience with lasers, I expected that he would know how to treat a high powered laser so I didn't mention a laser use cycle. I have another customer that bought one, BROKE it and sent it back to me. I repaired it free of charge. Tangsta will back me up on this.
4. I wanted to be able to sell 'not kits' to people here without worrying about the legal situation. An OEM disclaimer seems to be the best route without putting my laser in a kit form and making it difficult for customers.

Thank you for being open minded, feel free to contact me with anything else I should change to be a good forum member.

rhd said:

My perspective -

His approach to selling is wrong - in my opinion unethical, reckless, and exploitative.

But if we ban him from here, he's going to go sell the same crap on Craigslist, or some other forum. End result is the same potentially negative impact on this hobby, though admittedly not directly connected to this board.

Why not allow him to stay, with restrictions on him selling in the future? At least he can learn from the board, and become a better human being... am I being naive?

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I have never sold any of my product anywhere else but this forum. I hadn't planned on it either. I prefer a customer that will treat my product with the respect and responsibility it deserves. I have asked for help on being accurate with my sales thread. No one has helped, or even talked to me. Seems like everyone just wants to jump on the bandwagon without providing constructive criticism.

Concerning my wayward customer Watson, it is now out of my hands. He said he is sending my laser to a vet to repair it, and refuses to send it to me. I want to know what vet he is sending it to so we all can find out the real story when that vet gets a hold of the laser. I still believe that he might have put the batteries in wrong and it works just fine. I told him I would repair it for free and to call to have it picked up today, but now he is refusing.

Like I posted earlier I have already repair for FREE another laser that another one of my customers BROKE. I stand behind my work 100%

I am interested in becoming a valued member of the laser community. If you would like to help me to become better then send me a message with constructive criticism.

Thanks.