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Old 10-07-2016, 06:31 AM #33
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More info on your tent city, actually kind of interesting: Saudi Arabia Denies Syrian Refugees? : snopes.com

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I saw snopes and didn't even read it, snopes is biased and very often wrong.
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I saw snopes and didn't even read it, snopes is biased and very often wrong.
I was interested in why on earth an empty tent city in Saudi Arabia even exists at all, and the first Google result answered my question.

If you'd like a different source of roughly the same information, also free of opinion, here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mina,_Saudi_Arabia

If you don't want any source of any information, that's also cool with me, because this is America.

Whatever the case, this is an issue that has been debated with a lot of in-tent-city.

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I watched the clip you posted, and it was why I said what I did. Putin, a former KGB intelligence officer, was the director of the FSB in 1999. He was installed as Prime Minister later that year and was promoted to president after Yeltsin was forced to resign that same year. Everything Putin has done since then was to establish a new history of the Soviet Union and to build a system of capital cronyism filled with former Soviet Union officials. From June 1999 when he restored the memorial plaque to Yuri Andropov on the KGB building, he submitted that the Soviet anthem be made the Russian national anthem, then in 2003 he was quoted as saying the USSR had been heroic and constructive. In 2004, Putin said, "It is my deep conviction that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was a national tragedy on a massive scale." Further, in 2005, in an address to Russia's Parliament, Putin said the collapse of the Soviet Union was the major geopolitical disaster of the century. What Putin has done is to consolidate much of the wealth in Russia into a type of criminal hierarchy, while allowing just enough to be used to build schools and increase the number of the middle class to placate many of the Russian people.Today's Russia is unique among nations where all the businessmen, politicians and bureaucrats are all the same people. He privatized and took control of the country's wealth where 35% of that wealth belongs to 110 of Putin's cronies. And, in today's Russia, a crony can be a businessman, organized crime leader, and intelligence officer all at the same time. That is why we see state actors hacking companies, people, and government agencies in the U.S. Putinism is very much akin to Stalinism of the Soviet Union. Every part of Putin's Russia is corrupt, from government officials, the judiciary and businesses, with organized crime running through all of it.

Interesting. I need to do more research. Something that was brought to my attention, that really made me think is how much oil Russia is sitting on, yet it isn't stinking rich like the UAE.
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The 'tent city' certainly is there, and it's only used briefly each year during hadj.

Places like syria, lebanon and turkey are often viewed as very hot places, but in winter the certainly are not. I've visited damascus before the war in winter time, and it actually freezes at night sometimes. Staying outdoors is not really an option after your home has been destroyed.

The tent city near Mecca has the opposite problem, it gets VERY hot there in summer, in winter it's not much of a problem. Luckily they have aircons there. Since the hadj fell in summer the last years this is probably a requirement, though it is now shifting further towards the end of the lunar year when it's less hot.



As for Russia not getting crazy rich from it's fossil fuel reserves: population size. The wealth has to be spread across 150 million russians or so, whereas something like qatar has a population of 2 million. Russia has a total GDP 10 times that of Qatar, but it spreads 10 times thinner as well.

The same applies to the US though, if it had 1/10th the population it actually has it could make huge profits from fossil fuel exports - less people to share the wealth as well as less domestic consumption using product that could otherwise be exported.
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Like I mentioned before, the US is a complete shit storm now. Government dosent serve the people at all, healthcare is insanely expensive yet we spend Trillions overseas and the population suffers everyday. America is now a 3rd world country, fuck this piece of shit government who doesn't give a damn about its citizens!

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As for Russia not getting crazy rich from it's fossil fuel reserves: population size. The wealth has to be spread across 150 million russians or so, whereas something like qatar has a population of 2 million. Russia has a total GDP 10 times that of Qatar, but it spreads 10 times thinner as well.
This makes no sense as it assumes Putin is altruistic and doesn't have political cronies he allows to get wealthy off the legal and illegal pursuits available to them. It doesn't matter how many people live in Russia as Putin is rewriting the fall of the Soviet Union and only using enough money to placate the population there. They are getting plenty rich. It is not necessary to sell off oil at a deflated rate as there are so many other ways for Putin's crones to increase their wealth.
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Well, i'm not saying that Putin is (or should be) equally dividing up proceeds from fossil fuels over the population, but it provides a source of funding to keep people from going so poor they will revolt.

There have been some trade sanctions imposed by russia due to political tension with europe, but those seem to affect the population of russia much more than the exporting countries (that have the rest of the world left as customers).

These developments harm all, both europe needing to find another reliable supply of natural gas, as well has russians no longer having access to various goods that include imported food.

As for the US having problems: There is a cost to trying to police the entire world, especially if you are a country where 3 to 4 percent of the world population lives. The military spending in absolute dollars of the US is more than that of russia, china and en EU combined.

It seems this money is spent to some degree at the cost of healthcare. Most european countries have healthcare systems that are very accessible. Some are more or less 'free' (as in fully funded from tax) like the UK's NHS programmes. Others have mandatory health insurance that is relatively affordable. The Dutch system has mandatory insurance (essentially a tax) that costs about $100 a month but all costs of essential medicine are covered by that except the first $400 every year.

This means thay you will have to pay if you go to hospital for something minor, but if you require a $20.000 sugery or even a $100.000 treatment plan you will not pay much for that at all.

There are even some ideas to abolish this system and go for 'free healthcare' because it saves so much administrative work that that could make up for the forced competition between a couple of insurance companies.
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I don't disagree that the U.S. has spent far too much on so-called defense. Much of that spending is for expensive weapons and other projects that really have little to do with the defense of this nation. When Obama tried to get a public option he had to contend with a Senate that wouldn't allow any of his plans to see fruition. In the Senate, here, a minority can hold up everything unless the majority can have a 2/3rds majority to invoke cloture. So, though the majority of the American people were in favor of the public option, it had little chance of being passed. That shouldn't be interpreted as an indictment of Obama who was in favor of it from the start. And, putting Trump in the presidency would not get it done any better. In fact, the Republicans here were always against any kind of health care reform. They say they want to remove "Obama care", but have no policy as to what,if anything, they would try to replace it with.
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Im sorry about my previous post, im such frustrated!

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I am too Hap.

Standing up for everyone's freedom is the right thing to do, but not the easy thing to do.

But if we continue to let our choices be made for us, in time we will wish we had done anything to have stopped the loss of our freedom while we had a better grasp on the reins, because the longer we put off the hard work, the tougher the job will be.

It's hard to imagine taking your mother or father to the hospital and being told they don't meet enough criteria to get life saving treatment, but because of our debt and diminishing fiscal ability, rationing of healthcare will have to happen, and there will be nothing we can do about it by that point.

The lessons of the past are not being taught where they clash with conformity, liberal progressives put a nice sounding spin on socialism, but we are going to hate it.

People would rather believe that the debacle we see in the VA hospital just can't happen if we have National healthcare, but why wouldn't they, everything logical points out that it will end up much the same.
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We already have national health care. it's called Medicare and if you ask anyone who's on it, you won't hear many complaints. If we could do that for everyone, it would cost much less than privatized insurance. Most people get that and would love to see it happen. It would put health insurance companies out of business, though, and their lobby fights tooth and nail against it.
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