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Old 09-15-2008, 09:55 PM #1
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"Indian girl commits suicide over 'Big Bang' fear"
"BHOPAL, India - A teenage girl in central India killed herself on Wednesday after being traumatized by media reports that a "Big Bang" experiment in Europe could bring about the end of the world, her father said."
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So she killed herself because of an experiment that has a very small chance of ending the world and killing her. That's like me killing myself because I might be struck by lighting and die tomorrow :


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i cant understand killing yourself over that... if were all going to die anyways, whats the difference? but then again i cant really understand the psychology behind doing a test that could kill us all. who knows what it was like where she lived though. she could have been told all kinds of nonsense. the news made it sound as if its a religious thing... people take that serious.

different cultures, different ideals i suppose.
who knows... we still havent "collided" yet.
im still gonna ride it out.
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the news made it sound as if its a religious thing... people take that serious.

The very idea that there even is such a thing as "the end of the world" is a religious thing, if you look at it in historical context.
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i cant understand killing yourself over that...
i can't understand killing yourself at all!
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Her father probably killed her.
Well, it's a possibility right?

I don't have faith in humanity.
Times like this make me ashamed of my species.
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wow!

seems kinda lame to kill yourself on what some says or thinks
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If the world is going to end I want to see it, rather than killing myself. It might be a hella cool thing to see.
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[quote author=GoRdOn_B link=1221515752/0#1 date=1221518916]the news made it sound as if its a religious thing... people take that serious.

The very idea that there even is such a thing as "the end of the world" is a religious thing, if you look at it in historical context.[/quote]
from a scientific point of view the "end of the world" is possible too. if a localized black hole does just happen to start(which probably wont) the gravity from it will eat everything until the whole planet is gone and then at least most if not all of this and other solar systems. its possible but not likely. we wont know anything for sure until theres been test after test after test ran to find out either. may take a lot longer than most of us live before all that happens though.
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too bad they couldn't have fired the collider on a date that is commonly known as the end of the world... like from some religious text predicting the future or something. that would be funny.
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Okay, I'm sure people may think it's the girls ignorance or something.

But honestly, I think the media is the blame. They make up heaps of crap just to scare us, and pull things WAY out of proportion. Why? Well, what's bigger news. A typical science experiment one that might BLOW US ALL TO PIECES!!!!!! ?.

Media people try to get people to listen to them, they don't speak the truth.


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Yea that's so true, it's basically why I don't read the paper anymore.I read all these interesting headlines , but when I read the actual article it's really boring and it turns out the headline was very misleading just to catch attention.Then I wonder how much of the actual article is filled with bs to make it more interesting. :-/

I still don't see how the small amount of matter they're colliding is gonna turn into a HUGE amount of matter with HUGE gravitational pull though. : How can you make more from less? :-/
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Yeah, exactly. It's stupid that people think it will blow up the universe.

And as for the paper, the stuff on the front page and crap is pretty bad, but when you get in a few pages to the 'lesser' articles they can be pretty nice.
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I read all these interesting headlines , but when I read the actual article it's really boring and it turns out the headline was very misleading just to catch attention.
True... often the content is the exact opposite of the headline, or the headline magnifies some tiny insignificant thing while ignoring the big picture.

I took a university class in symbolic (predicate) logic. The prof would bring in newspapers and meticulously convert articles into a series of equations. I expected to find cases where internal conflicts created paradox, but I was surprised at how often the semantic content turned out to be zero (and how often that was achieved by the headline being in direct conflict with the one or two sentences that contained useful information). In a pure game-theory sense, the only way to win is not to play - some sources of 'news' are like information antimatter.

I find it interesting that the BS newspapers pull has survived, even thrived, in an environment where you can go to Google News and find a few hundred or thousand different sources for any news article and directly compare what the different sources are saying. Some trends really stand out, like the common occurrence where 500 papers will report something one way but FOX will report it a totally different way. It's not like information warfare and propaganda have become more sophisticated - they don't need to be anymore, since people have proven that they'll believe the most ridiculous lies if they come from an 'authority' figure.
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It was even less likely to end on 10[sup]th[/sup] September because they weren't colliding anything that day, so the chance of the world ending that day was so improbable the it may as well have been impossible .

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There is a whole process called critical thinking. It's something everyone thinks they do but very few actually perform. It's the next step beyond philosophical logic. Instead of evaluating the arguments and structure of a syllogism to meet a logical form such as modus ponens, for example, statements are rated against a huge set of logical fallacies that are representative of the common logic errors in argumentative discourse.

If you want to watch someone really have a meltdown, throw their logical error in their face and tell them their argument says nothing.

Here's an example: Someone asks, &quot;President Bush is a bad president because all his policies suck. Do you agree?&quot; If you agree then you are being suckered into the logical fallacy. If you disagree then you are being suckered into the logical fallacy. Why? The logic of the statement is called false dilemma. It presents an either/or requirement for something that does not have an either/or answer. The critical thinker realizes this and understands that such a blanket statement masks policies that work. You may say to yourself, &quot;What policies work?&quot; Well now, that is what the critical thinker must root out. Is the original statement based on media reports that only present governmental errors? Is it possible that there is really a media bias? You, as a critical thinker, must not wallow in the statement. You must step outside the statement and evaluate the circumstances of the statement. I know this may come as a shock but there are people who will tell you what they think and will cling to the belief be it right or wrong. You can either accept it at face value (like the rest of the world) or become your own thinker. By the way, can anyone tell me what logical fallacy I committed in the last sentence?

Logical fallacy is used all the time to dupe unsuspecting people. The advertising industry lives and dies by logical fallacy. Politics would be no fun without logical fallacy. It is the critical thinker who transcends the rhetoric to see an argument for what it really is. The secret is to never take anything at face value.

Now all of this brings me back to the issue at hand. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law and is also no excuse for believing what is told to you. If something is so disconcerting you consider suicide you might want to look into the details of the issue a bit more before giving up the ghost.

Always, always, always remember that news is a business. It will always go where the profit is. What it destroys and who it kills is secondary.
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now that I think about it, it probably went along the lines of &quot;LARGE MACHINE IN SWEDEN SAID TO DESTROY THE WORLD 9/10 MORE AT 8&quot;

and she never watched at 8
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