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She is trying to get what is called the black vote, but in my opinion, will run off more votes than she gets out of making that statement.


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Shoulder fired missiles can and do take down aircraft.
Many are made for just that purpose.
Supposedly the older models don't have the range, but we have been arming rebels and pretty much the terrorist who are fighting Assad with more modern equipment.
Flight 317 was supposed to be too far for the older style manpad but the Russian BUK could have hit it and I heard captured radio of Russians claiming the hit, but that could be misinformation. We get lied to so much I don't know what to believe, the Russians never made an apology did they?
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Shoulder mounted anti-aircraft missiles can surely take down aircraft, even large ones, but only at a very limited range. The ceiling of what can be hit is usually no more than a few kilometers, FAR lower than the >10 km cruise altitudes used by large passenger jets.

The CAN shoot down aircraft that are departing or landing, and they have been used to try to shoot down a departing DHL cargo plane in iraq in the past. That plane got badly damaged but made a miraculous landing on differential engine power after losing most hydraulics.

To shoot down an airliner at cruis altitude you really need a system lik the BUK designed for that purpose. There seems to be little doubt that an older model of BUK was used to shoot down MH17, but the question remains who actually fired it and why. What also is unclear is where it actually came from.

What seems to be clear is that is had to have been a fairly old system due to the shape of the shrapnell holes found in the plane. Since these units have been available to both russia and ukraine it might prove impossible to determine the origin.

I presume it was a mistake in any case: neither russia nor ukraine would have any motive to shoot down a passenger jet. I personnaly suspect separatists aiming at what they thought was a ukrainian military antonov aircraft. This would make perfect sense considering the older BUK systems only had primary radar and therefor no means to determine what you are shooting at except for radar echo intensity, which would be comparable for any non-stealth airplanes of comparable size.
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I disagree strongly. My post above references shoulder fired missiles that were known, in the mid 1990's, to be able to take down aircraft at 26,000 feet. There is no way I would believe that the current capability would not be able to reach higher. The technology that was not reviled in the mid 1990's could probably reach higher as well.

Aside from the issue of who's shoulder, the missile originated from, I question why the passengers boarded a flight that would pass over this dangerous zone. I would not have done so. People need to stop trusting authority and think for themselves especially when the authority is as corrupt and incompetent as the current US president, the head of the EU and that b**ch, Merkel.

I think we went to the moon and the Wold Trade Centers were brought down by terrorists that originated largely from Saudi Arabia, but I also think that the Patriot Act and the NSA were developed to to watch Americans and not terrorists because the political class is much more afraid of the citizens of this country than external aggressors.

Putting aside the political agendas of our political leaders, the Russian people have a lot in common with the people of Europe and North America and we all have less in common with the Muslims of North Africa and the aboriginal peoples of South America.

I believe that Trump represents a real threat to the corrupt power brokers within this country and this includes the media as a prime participant. Look at how the elite of both political parties hate him so vehemently that they can't hide it. Note how he said he could work with Putin. Note how this goofy Pope insulted him. If he survives, I am hopeful that he might represent a more significant resurgence of self directed, thoughtful and effective people across the northern hemisphere.

We need to stop participating in the farce of patriotism. Just because you were born within particular, arbitrary boarders (that are increasingly being ignored by the leadership of many countries) does not mean you have a moral obligation to defend them, or even to recognize them. Patriotism is like global warming and religion. "put aside your reason and do what we tell you"...I'm sorry, but NO.

Oh, and I would not have boarded that plane.
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As I tried to explain earlier: passengers on the plane probably had no idea it would fly over the ukraine. Using great circle plotting it clearly IS the shortest route from AMS to KL, but on a 'normal' map a straight line between them doesnt come even close to the area. I presume most people don't really know that a direct line on a mercator projected map (i.e. a rhumb line) is NOT the shortest route between two points.

I've included a map to show the difference between shortest route (red) and rhumb/expected route (black). The rhumb route goes over syria, which would probably raise more concern. It also is about 5% further to fly so not preferable unless jetstreams were available.

The plane should never have overflown that region though. Apart from being a warzone, it now seems that ukrainian radar stations were inoperative at the time (or destroyed later and all data lost according to some). Inoperable radar stations must be reported to eurocontrol flight monitoring, yet they were not.

Someone definitly is hiding data somewhere here, but it seems hard to find out who and why.
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Seems to further support the idea that someone was trying to shoot down Putin's aircraft of the same size which may have been mistaken to be flying through there at that time. With the US controlling Ukraine, behind the scenes of course, it stands to reason they wouldn't have the radar data available. Maybe that report is just more bunk, or the radar data reported non-existent because Ukraine is somehow guilty.

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There are a lot of "maybe's" in this case.

It seems that this incident was no terrorist attack since no terrorist group has serioulsy made a claim to comitting it.

The frustrating part mostly is in the lack of data. Ukraine claims to have none at all, russia only provides their analysis of raw data, and US sat data seems to be unusable due to cloud cover at the time.

This all seems overly frustrating towards any investigations. Makes me wonder if we should set up some network of spy sats from the EU as well... preferably some that can see through clouds if need be.
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Huge Syrian oil reserves.

Russian and Chinese hypersonic nuclear missiles.

Will Trump serve the Cabal if elected or will he oppose the NWO, can he do it with so many Americans in the dark?

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Will Trump serve the Cabal if elected or will he oppose the NWO, can he do it with so many Americans in the dark?

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Huge oil reserves in Syria? Who would have guessed?

Hypersonic nukes? Got a link? I've only seen US led tests of hypersonic vehicles - and those were only small prototypes that as far as I remember didn't fare too well.

I'd much rather see Sanders win, but in the event that it's $hillary vs Trump I'd pick Trump any day. At the very least he'll shake things up a bit - that alone will be good, even if you're ignoring any Cabal/NWO type stuff.
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China successfully flight tested its new high-speed maneuvering warhead last week, days after Russia carried out its own hypersonic glider test, according to Pentagon officials.

The test of the developmental DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle was monitored after launch Friday atop a ballistic missile fired from the Wuzhai missile launch center in central China, said officials familiar with reports of the test.

The maneuvering glider, traveling at several thousand miles per hour, was tracked by satellites as it flew west along the edge of the atmosphere to an impact area in the western part of the country.

It was the seventh successful flight test of the revolutionary glider, which travels at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 miles per hour.

U.S. intelligence officials have assessed that China plans to use the glider to deliver nuclear weapons through increasingly sophisticated missile defenses. The DF-ZF also could be used as part of a conventional strategic strike weapon capable of hitting targets around the world within an hour.

Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. Bill Urban declined to comment on the latest DF-ZF flight test. “But we do monitor Chinese military modernization carefully,” Urban said.

Rep. Randy Forbes (R., Va.), chairman of the House Armed Services subcommittee on seapower, said China’s hypersonic missile tests are a concern.

“China’s repeated test of a hypersonic glide vehicle demonstrates Beijing is committed to upending both the conventional military and nuclear balance, with grave implications for the stability of Asia,” Forbes told the Washington Free Beacon.

Adm. Cecil Haney, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, said Jan. 22 that the new hypersonic glide vehicle is among an array of high-technology missiles and weapons, both nuclear and conventional, being developed and deployed by Beijing.

China “recently conducted its sixth successful test of a hypersonic glide vehicle, and as we saw in September last year, is parading missiles clearly displaying their modernization and capability advancements,” Haney said.

China has kept details about the DF-ZF program secret. In March 2015, a Defense Ministry spokesman confirmed one of the hypersonic missile tests after the test was reported in the Free Beacon. The spokesman said the missile test was not aimed at any country and was done for scientific research.

Earlier DF-ZF tests were carried out Nov. 23, Aug. 19, June 7, and on Jan. 9, 2014, Aug. 7, 2014, and Dec. 2, 2014. During at least one test, the maneuvering glider conducted what a defense official said were “extreme maneuvers” at speeds between Mach 5 and Mach 10.
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China successfully flight tested its new high-speed maneuvering warhead last week, days after Russia carried out its own hypersonic glider test, according to Pentagon officials.

The test of the developmental DF-ZF hypersonic glide vehicle was monitored after launch Friday atop a ballistic missile fired from the Wuzhai missile launch center in central China, said officials familiar with reports of the test.

The maneuvering glider, traveling at several thousand miles per hour, was tracked by satellites as it flew west along the edge of the atmosphere to an impact area in the western part of the country.

It was the seventh successful flight test of the revolutionary glider, which travels at speeds between 4,000 and 7,000 miles per hour.

U.S. intelligence officials have assessed that China plans to use the glider to deliver nuclear weapons through increasingly sophisticated missile defenses. The DF-ZF also could be used as part of a conventional strategic strike weapon capable of hitting targets around the world within an hour.

Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. Bill Urban declined to comment on the latest DF-ZF flight test. “But we do monitor Chinese military modernization carefully,” Urban said.

Rep. Randy Forbes (R., Va.), chairman of the House Armed Services subcommittee on seapower, said China’s hypersonic missile tests are a concern.

“China’s repeated test of a hypersonic glide vehicle demonstrates Beijing is committed to upending both the conventional military and nuclear balance, with grave implications for the stability of Asia,” Forbes told the Washington Free Beacon.

Adm. Cecil Haney, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, said Jan. 22 that the new hypersonic glide vehicle is among an array of high-technology missiles and weapons, both nuclear and conventional, being developed and deployed by Beijing.

China “recently conducted its sixth successful test of a hypersonic glide vehicle, and as we saw in September last year, is parading missiles clearly displaying their modernization and capability advancements,” Haney said.

China has kept details about the DF-ZF program secret. In March 2015, a Defense Ministry spokesman confirmed one of the hypersonic missile tests after the test was reported in the Free Beacon. The spokesman said the missile test was not aimed at any country and was done for scientific research.

Earlier DF-ZF tests were carried out Nov. 23, Aug. 19, June 7, and on Jan. 9, 2014, Aug. 7, 2014, and Dec. 2, 2014. During at least one test, the maneuvering glider conducted what a defense official said were “extreme maneuvers” at speeds between Mach 5 and Mach 10.

Hmmm, interesting, thanks! Would seemingly be harder to defend from than even current ICBMs that use MIRVs as the payload - Russian Anti-ICBM technology is designed to take care of those as far as I know - using a 10kt nuclear warhead to shoot them out of the sky mind you - but if the weapon is flying along under the radar that's not much good. Would be a devastating weapon in conventional warfare, compared to cruise missiles and such it'd be far harder to intercept.

I know the US has been working on a similar system for a while now (The X-51 IIRC), although who knows how far along they really are with that - I'd imagine we only know very little or "What they want us to know". I know there was a successful test flight that reached >Mach 5 though.

Wouldn't be too worried about China developing these things kinds of weapons though - they seem "sensible" enough from anything I've read, no less so than the US anyway, I'd be more worried about financial situations involving China - such as a collapse. Plus generally speaking they are still a good way behind the US/Russia when it comes to technology - although they appear to be catching up fast. We need Space Race V2.0 - give us a little push into a "new age" of technology.
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China might seem to be 'behind' in certain areas, but that could be because they have little interest in some things. The nuclear arms race between nato and ussr is one of those things. Mutually assured desctruction has been the recepi for that for decades. This strategy worked, but also proved to be VERY expensive. China did not have the need to spend on projects like that.

The same can be said for many western european countries though. France and brittain went to develop and demonstrate nuclear weapons, but other european nations did not. This has little to do with being incapable to do so, but more with prohbitive cost and little practical use as nato allies already provided them.

Here in the netherlands we are perfectly capable of buiding or own nuclear warheads, but we never chose to do so. We do have a number of nuclear bombs constructed in the US to deploy for nato missions if ever required.

One downside of having the knowledge but not the intention is that people can steal that. This is what happened here and eventually resulted in pakistan obtaining nuclear capability from dutch technology through a spy posing as a student.

As a nato member holland never really aspried to build nuclear weapons, but we do have uranium enrichtment plants to create fuel for civilian power plants.
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Riots in Milwaukee

Police shot a young black man who pulled a gun on then, now roving gangs are running around beating up white people.

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Riots in Milwaukee

Police shot a young black man who pulled a gun on then, now roving gangs are running around beating up white people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjBJ0LCRXXo

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Yikes, I haven't even heard about this until now. Thanks for sharing RC! Kinda of a crazy world we live in.

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This is an example of the news media blackouts we have, they have been told not to cover it so things will die down.
We need to keep the internet, it has been a great asset of freedom.
This racism rioting could have been calmed early on by our leader, but it was ginned up and now it's a problem.
True protesters don't loot or beat up innocent people, they march in defiance of injustice in huge numbers and bring about positive change.
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