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What do you think the implications are that observation collapses the wave function? Have you looked into the delayed choice double slit experiment?


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Sorry, can't say that I have. If you are talking about the change in a wave function because it has been measured, I am familiar with that aspect of quantum theory. It is the action of the measuring equipment that actually causes the change as far as I know.
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I went back through many post to see if this observed experiment was among them, but couldn't find it. It doesn't make much sense to me that a person's observation of a diffraction experiment would affect it in the way you have described. I would have to see it to give any opinion at all about it.
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There is more going on than we can see, our observation is not looking with our eyes but equipment that interacts with the wave/particle.

Is light a wave or a particle? It's a wave with particle like traits.

Well if light was ever any kind of a particle, then there should be piles of it building up in the corners of our rooms, unless the wave became a particle again became a wave?

There's still much that we don't understand, but that does not prove that everything is an illusion created for us, we are not that important, we just don't understand the strange mechanics of it all yet.

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Ya, I saw that guys video, it doesn't stand up to rigorous experimentation, good try on his part though. What we don't yet know is if the information which slit the 'particle' went through is viewed by a cat whether the same interference pattern will occur or not. We don't know if it is purely a human interaction with the data itself, or any self conscious being. What ever is going on, it appears any conscious interaction to know the which way/slit data will change the outcome.

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Yep, you will find individuals who cannot stand to see the world as being purely subjective and you will find stories like that, none of them stand up to what is really going on when torn down by the majority of the physicists who are doing the experiments.

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Chase the nay sayers if you don't want to believe reality is subjective, or if you do, explore the results accepted by the individuals doing the experiments, not the folk who arm chair judge others hard work, years of it.

I must admit, videos such as this one are also done by arm chair judgers, but they don't disagree with the people doing the experiments themselves:


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If a blind man sits in a room alone while the double slit experiment is run by automation with no one else in the room, no recording of the test and of course the blind man can't see it and is in no way made aware, will the wave act as a particle?

Does the blind man have to be conscious of the instrument placed into the experiment that shows the photon going through the slit for it to behave differently?

The blind man would not be conscious of what was happening, therefore the change would not happen as nobody was conscious of it.

So how would a dead man who has no use of his senses be conscious?

Consciousness is no proof of an afterlife or a soul.

If a dead man was in the room during the experiment.

How about automating the test and leaving the room, if the results are the same as if someone looked at the instruments while it happened yet did not, then consciousness made no difference. We could only expect that the automation behind the door worked as programmed, what if it was programmed to work intermittently at random?

This needs a lot more testing.

This could prove that a dead man has no consciousness.
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I don't know the answer to these yet, I will ponder them though. My understanding is if the information can be had, that too causing the collapse of the wave function, but if there is no way to get it, even if it was available at one time, then you go back to the interference pattern. So, even if a blind man were present and couldn't see, if someone else could get the information, it still causes the same collapse. That it has as much to do with what is possible as has to do with observation too.

My thought is that in some timeless way, the system has error correction code built into it which back fills reality to prevent a system crash. Sounds a lot like virtual reality thinking of it that way. If you look at the reality we are in that way, there is no life after death, it's just a program, we don't exist anyway, except as it from bit. The program can however allow an afterlife for its individual self-conscious little algorithm created individuals.
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That's what people have thought for a long time, but the delayed choice experiment demonstrated the collapse had nothing to do with the sensors, only human observation of the data itself.
As near as I can tell, the wrong questions are being asked. It has led people to believe that conscience alone can collapse a wave function, but that is contrary to at least one law of QED, the one about causality. I haven't been able to spend the required time to form this into a cogent argument yet, but from what I've seen so far this is the correct conclusion when dealing with this experiment. I will post more when I have had the time to spend on this as it is important that people not get the wrong idea.
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Until the delayed choice double slit experiment, that is what everyone thought must have been going on, now everything points towards some kind of observer effect, not just from detection, but from sentient observation. I'm still studying this, so not going to try to pretend I know, but this is my take on it so far.
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