U.S. Bp oil disaster, top kill has failed

pullbangdead said:

"they knew it was going to happen?" Please, gimme a break. They didn't know it was going to happen, they didn't intentionally let it happen. you act like BP wanted this to happen. Of course BP didn't want it to happen, and of course they would have prevented it if they could have. Is it a horrible accident? Absolutely. But a couple of you sound like BP did it on purpose, which is most decidedly NOT the case.

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Of corse they knew something like this could happen. The threat of a worse case scenario like this, has always been there.
Did they want this to happen? Of course not.

To them the most important thing is their bottom line. They figure it's in the their best interest to make as much money as they can. And pray that it happens to another company and not them.

What greedy choices did bp commit that played a roll in the accident?


Before drilling, BP offered the contract to 2 other deep drilling outfits.
BP chose the cheapest bidder which was transocean.

BP contracted with Transocean Ltd to operate the rig. transocean
is a troubled company. Since 2007 they have had several major violations and accidents
Transocean has accounted for 24 of the 33 incidents investigated by the MMS, or 73%, despite during that time owning fewer than half the Gulf of Mexico rigs operating in more than 3,000 feet of water.

Transocean has accounted for 24 of the 33 incidents investigated by the MMS, or 73%, despite during that time owning fewer than half the Gulf of Mexico rigs operating in more than 3,000 feet of water.

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lets not forget companies like BP rather pay millions of dollars to lobbyists and political parties that favor their needs. Instead of 10's of millions on making their operations safer.

BP has massively ramped up lobby spending under Chief Executive Tony Hayward, reaching $16 million last year versus only $3.6 million in 2006 -- the year before Hayward took over. BP spent $3.5 million in the first quarter of this year alone.

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Oil lobby money unlikely to quell storm over BP | Reuters


Lets not forget the Minerals Management Service or MMS.
Because of all the favors that get passed around BP was able to get away with more then they should have.

Role in 2010 BP Oil Spill
Among MMS's regulatory decisions contributing to the 2010 BP oil spill:
MMS's 2009 decision that acoustically-controled shut-off valve (BOP) would not be required as a last resort against underwater spills at the site.[citation needed]
MMS's failure to suggest other “fail-safe” mechanisms after a 2004 report raised questions about the reliability of the electrical remote-control devices.
Prior to Director Birnbaum's appointment, MMS granted a categorical exclusion waiver on April 6, 2009 to BP exempting it from National Environmental Policy Act's requirements including a detailed environmental analysis, concluding the spill risk in that part of the Gulf was “minimal or nonexistent.” Such NEPA waivers have become routine at MMS, and the Interior department approves 250 to 400 per year for Gulf of Mexico projects.[47][48]
MMS gave permission to BP and dozens of other oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico without first getting required permits from another agency (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA) that assesses threats to endangered species — and despite strong warnings from NOAA about the impact the drilling was likely to have on the gulf. Those approvals, federal records show, include one for the well drilled by the Deepwater Horizon rig, which exploded on April 20, killing 11 workers and resulting in thousands of barrels of oil spilling into the gulf each day.[49]

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Minerals Management Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Im just waiting for
"We have to make up for lost revenue so prices will be going up"
Something along those lines.

rpaloalto said:

Of corse they knew something like this could happen. The threat of a worse case scenario like this, has always been there.
Did they want this to happen? Of course not.

To them the most important thing is their bottom line. They figure it's in the their best interest to make as much money as they can. And pray that it happens to another company and not them.

What greedy choices did bp commit that played a roll in the accident?


Before drilling, BP offered the contract to 2 other deep drilling outfits.
BP chose the cheapest bidder which was transocean.

BP contracted with Transocean Ltd to operate the rig. transocean
is a troubled company. Since 2007 they have had several major violations and accidents
Transocean has accounted for 24 of the 33 incidents investigated by the MMS, or 73%, despite during that time owning fewer than half the Gulf of Mexico rigs operating in more than 3,000 feet of water.
ttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704307804575234471807539054.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

lets not forget companies like BP rather pay millions of dollars to lobbyists and political parties that favor their needs. Instead of 10's of millions on making their operations safer.

Oil lobby money unlikely to quell storm over BP | Reuters


Lets not forget the Minerals Management Service or MMS.
Because of all the favors that get passed around BP was able to get away with more then they should have.

Minerals Management Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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So what you're saying is that BP has lobbyists and went with the lowest bidder.

You realize they were likely required by law to go with the lowest bidder, right? Governments are also required by law to go with the lowest bidder, regardless of many other factors. For a publicly-traded company, to go with a higher bidder would likely be a breach of fiduciary duty for BP, which means their stockholders can bring legal action against them in multiple ways. They HAVE to go with the lower bidder, just like governments and just like everyone else.

And lobbyists are your argument? Really? BP is not in any way unusual with its lobbying, it lobbies just like everyone else for its own interests. Good for it. If you don't like your politicians listening to lobbyists, then you have an excellent option to take care of that: your vote! If you don't want leaders who listen to BP's lobbyists, then vote them out. Simple.

Heck, do you have any money in mutual funds? Investments? Retirement accounts? If you do, it's VERY likely that you own some part of BP as well.

And of course the threat has always been there, that's why they had multiple failsafes already in place, most of which didn't work right. If every failsafe always worked right, there would never be an accident, and it would be such a happy world. But the failsafes didn't work, so it sucks. I was just responding to the people that said BP KNEW it would happen, when NO ONE knew that it would happen.

I really want to know why the government isn't stepping in to get this problem solved. I'm sure the military could come up with something.

mfo said:

I really want to know why the government isn't stepping in to get this problem solved. I'm sure the military could come up with something.

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The military is and has been involved since day 1, the coast guard has to approve of everything that BP tries to do to stop the leak, so they're very involved.

As far as the rest of the military, I'm not sure what you think they could do. The deepest-diving subs in the navy don't even go down to 3000ft. That's the thing people are missing sometimes I think as far as why this can't be stopped so easily: this leak is happening a full 2000 feet DEEPER than the deepest-diving US Navy submarines can go without being crushed.

pullbangdead said:

The military is and has been involved since day 1, the coast guard has to approve of everything that BP tries to do to stop the leak, so they're very involved.

As far as the rest of the military, I'm not sure what you think they could do. The deepest-diving subs in the navy don't even go down to 3000ft. That's the thing people are missing sometimes I think as far as why this can't be stopped so easily: this leak is happening a full 2000 feet DEEPER than the deepest-diving US Navy submarines can go without being crushed.

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I meant as far as trying to come up with solutions. It seems BP is the only one trying to plug the hole, at least that's how the media makes it seem. Then again shame on me for listening to the media.

pullbangdead is right, BP and other large oil companies. Are the only ones that have enough knowhow to solve this, or the equipment. Other then privet oceanic research organizations.

It just seems like,not enough is being done. Like their next plan, caping the well what is it at now, plan D? Why was this not ready to go before plan C failed?
The cap wont be ready to go until Tuesday!

What the federal government should be doing is pushing BP much harder.
Heck BP and the government still cant agree with how much oil is spewing in to the gulf.

Usually I have a lot to say, but this whole thing rocks my very core.

600 species face extinction, 600!!

the gulf will be polluted the rest of my life now.

frak BP, frak offshore drilling, frak it all.

Weird no one is talking about this in the news: Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico even larger than the won currently occurring, and it was only 30 years ago. The current spill could still end up larger, of course, but it's currently smaller.

WTF BP is telling so many lies...... now they refuse to even talk to the media.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Its sickening.

pullbangdead said:

Weird no one is talking about this in the news: Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico even larger than the won currently occurring, and it was only 30 years ago. The current spill could still end up larger, of course, but it's currently smaller.

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And guess who the platform belonged to? The sedeco 135F was owned by Transocean. Just click on the link in the wiki page. Transocean was also the owner and operator of the Deepwater Horizon platform that that was leased by BP in this current spill.

The Ixtoc spill was over 30 years ago. And it was not even located in U.S. waters. Why is it weird that no one is talking about it?

The effect that it had on any u.s. soil, was limited to just 162 miles of beaches.
With the Deapwater horizon spill, were looking at 1000's of miles of beaches and barrier islands.

photonaholic said:

WTF BP is telling so many lies...... now they refuse to even talk to the media.

Lies, lies and more lies.
Its sickening.

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BP finally wised up. They know now there is nothing they can say that will change their image. The damage is done.

and the damage is still growing too.

The image, the environment, 600 species of sea creatures threatened with extinction, the wetlands that are forever destroyed, the livelihoods of all the fishermen and tourist attractions.....

and the hydrocarbon fumes making people down there sick, it's like a surrealistic nightmare that will not end any day soon.

So depressing Wayne, I don't even want to quote you because the pic is so sad

photonaholic said:

and the damage is still growing too.

The image, the environment, 600 species of sea creatures threatened with extinction, the wetlands that are forever destroyed, the livelihoods of all the fishermen and tourist attractions.....

and the hydrocarbon fumes making people down there sick, it's like a surrealistic nightmare that will not end any day soon.

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Animals have no idea whats going on. Poor things

The bad wolf has a full belly now.