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So let's hear your thoughts about the movie. I was king of surprised that Kylo was Han's son. As for the girl, I think she might be Luke's daughter. I also figured Leia would have been a Jedi. I guess not even though her and Han's son has the powers.

Rey is Leah's Incestual daughter with Luke prior to either of them knowing they are related. They didn't want the public to know the princess had an incest baby. Luke wiped everyone's mind and took the bastard child to Jakkar and wiped her memory too. This explains why the Millennium Falcon was there also. Much better than "it was stolen"...

at what point would they have done it then? Leia should have looked pregnant unless they had *** during episode VI. If Luke did take it, I would still say it was stolen.

Dr_Evil said:

at what point would they have done it then? Leia should have looked pregnant unless they had *** during episode VI. If Luke did take it, I would still say it was stolen.

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Jedi have the ability to advance their pregnancy by meditating.

Etain Tur-Mukan - Wookieepedia - Wikia

I'm a bit Star Wars fan, and I was rather disappointed.

In anticipation of seeing it, opening weekend, I watched all three movies of the original trilogy.

What I saw in theater didn't feel like a continuation. It felt like a dumbed down reboot.

Big battle to capture VIP, with a droid escaping with crucial data in the desert? Check.
Desert dweller finding robot? Check.
Crazy escape from tatoine? Check. (Oh right, it's a NEW desert planet.)
Planet destroyed as a demonstration? Check.
Older mentor to the young heroes? Check.
Girl captured and on deathstar? Check.
We'll make it up as we go along rescue? Check.
Older guy sacrificing himself? Check.
Resistance on some jungle world shortly to be destroyed? Check.
Small fleet of one man fighters taking out a deathstar? Check.

I could go on and on, but there are so many similarities that it's sickening. Having some would be fine, but make no mistake, The Force Rising is not a continuation, it's a modernized, simplified, dumbed down reboot.

Of course the movie is a smashing success in theaters, and we can look forward to at least two more movies, and lots of other content, if for no other reason than the massive inertia of the franchise, and marketing efforts.

That said, I think it's an utter failure.

It didn't introduce anything substantially new.

The effects were perfectly adequate, but a far far cry from groundbreaking.

And then there are the plot holes. Giant ten times the size of the original death star plot holes.

Here's are a couple good articles on them;

40 Unforgivable Plot Holes in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' | Seth Abramson

20 More Plot Holes in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' | Seth Abramson

I go into a movie with a rather large reservoir of disbelief. This movie, it used up that reservoir and then some. Very very quickly.

Like say Rey, a hermit desert dweller left alone at a young age knowing how to fly, and intricate details of starship maintenance. That would be like a homeless street kid knowing how to fly and fix an F22 from collecting scraps at a junkyard.

Or her having INCREDIBLE control over force abilities. Jedi trained for years, and DECADES from the time they were babies to have that level of control, especially to influence the minds of others. Yet here's Mary Sue Rey, who just does it.

Or a trained lightsaber fighter, TRAINED in the use of the force as well, having trouble with a girl who has never even held one. Kylo is supposedly the #2 or #3 baddest bad guy, having trained under Luke, with years of experience, and he has trouble with a couple of kids who have never held a lightsaber in their life. Take the #3 guy in MMA, and toss in a 20 year old kid or two that have never been in more than a slapfight. Who's gonna come out of it?

Why is there a resistance? The new republic is what the resistance was fighting for in ROTJ, and is the government in power. I've read that the resistance was created in response to the First Order, but that makes no sense whatsoever! That would be like the US establishing a christian militant group in alaska to fight ISIS. It doesn't make sense.

Speaking of terrorist organizations doing terrible things - which is what the first order in the movie seems to be, as they are not an empire, and not in power (but somehow afford to built a mega-super-duper deathstar?) - why was there no reaction whatsoever to Coruscant being destroyed? None. Imagine New York, Paris, Washington DC, London, Hong Kong, Beijing, Moscow, and Tokyo all being destroyed. Even if you're in say Australia, and all you see is some light on the horizon, you would still have more of a reaction to it.

All these inconsistencies they took away from what was only visually a good movie.

Not only that but the Force Rising also destroyed a HUGE expanded star wars universe. Yes some of the pieces in there were crap, but there were also some fantastic characters and stories that the force rising wiped out. Why couldn't they make a bit of an effort to curate that universe, instead of getting rid of it?

I will of course see the next movie. At this point I'm just not sure whether I'll bother to see it in theaters. Incredibly, I'm also now more disappointed in Jar Jar Abrams, and TFR than I was with Lucas and the phantom menace.

/end rant

I also thought it was very similar to Ep. 4. I'm glad it didn't have any annoying characters.

I also find it interesting that there are A LOT of critical reviews that echo what I noted. Yet the movie has absurdly high ratings across the board.

Dr_Evil said:

I also thought it was very similar to Ep. 4. I'm glad it didn't have any annoying characters.

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Uhm, Kylo Ren, and Shiny Trooper who does nothing come to mind.

I mean he doesn't hold a candle to Maul, Dooku, and Grievous. Let alone Vader and the Emperor.

InfinitusEquitas said:

I also find it interesting that there are A LOT of critical reviews that echo what I noted. Yet the movie has absurdly high ratings across the board.



Uhm, Kylo Ren, and Shiny Trooper who does nothing come to mind.

I mean he doesn't hold a candle to Maul, Dooku, and Grievous. Let alone Vader and the Emperor.

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I'm thinking annoying like Jar Jar.

I thought the movie was great. I would agree that it is far far too similar to the original trilogy. I was not disappointed too much though. I thought that Finn was able to wield the lightsaber too easily though. I've read too many discussions as to he had training in hand to hand... whatever... the gyroscopic forces of a lightsaber are too much for anyone other than jedi to wield in combat. Granted he wasn't great with it at all though. And their choice for who played Kylo Ren was the reason why he was so unappealing. I mean the guy looks exactly like JP from Grandma's Boy. I said that while the credits were running and about 4-5 people near me agreed. I google'd it and of course there were quite a few people who had already posted about it. I mean it was really really bad. You DO NOT want your primary villain to be JP from grandma's boy.

Finn was a sanitation worker primarily as it turns out. He literally says so in the movie. Actually that part I was willing to somewhat accept, since in the original trilogy, and generally in the SW universe, storm troopers were elite soldiers. Even more so in the books.

It's how well Rey handled herself all throughout, that bothered me far more.

I'm not saying it was a BAD movie. It just isn't worthy of the Star Wars IMO.

Dr_Evil said:

I'm thinking annoying like Jar Jar.

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Like Kylo Ren? Seriously, the emo kid as the main antagonist is really annoying.

Check out the reviews on imdb.. the people who actually bothered to put down a thorough review are overwhelmingly displeased.

Overall, I liked the movie. I actually went to see the first showing because I'm a huge SW fan.

I think the massive amount of plot recycling was more of a wasted opportunity than it was anything else. I think the reason they did it is because of the prequels and how much hate they got (I actually like them, the battle over Coruscant is still the best movie opening ever in my books). They didn't want to deviate too much from the original Star Wars in fear that they would get another largely negative reaction. They wanted to establish that they weren't going to make the same mistakes the prequels did, and in doing so they made a different, much larger mistake.

Something that really irked me though was all the obvious mechanizing assets that were thrown in. Things like the flametrooper that we got to see for 2 whole seconds. I realize they did the same thing in the originals ("Hey, why do the stormtroopers have different armor on Endor?") but at least the different characters actually got more than just the screentime required for something to be made into a toy.

The one other thing that annoys me is how thrown in Finn seems. He had a lot of potential, but the only things he actually did could've been written in without him (He helped Poe escape, something he could have done on his own [and would have made his character seem a lot more badass]. He drew the FO back to Jakku, something they were doing anyway. He shot down a couple of TIEs that Rey could've outflown. He bandaged Chewbacca's arm, something Chewie probably could've managed by himself. He fought a Riot Control Trooper (another merchandising asset). He took Luke's saber for the sole purpose of getting it into Rey's hands during the fight with Kylo Ren, something Han could've done before he was killed. And my personal least favorite, during the battle with Kylo Ren Rey gets stunned for the sole purpose of allowing him to seem important by dueling with Kylo, which added nothing except a few minutes of lightsaber dueling to the movie.)

Aside from that, as long as VIII isn't a replay of Empire I'm fine with where the saga is.

Meh. It was cool and I would say definitely go see it if you haven't, but I was expecting more. It was so predictable. Build up, build up, build up, death, action! and then it ends, good guys win, super bad guy mega planet explodes. Meh.

Kylo taking his mask off was stupid IMO. If you are going to have a villain full of rage (which I thought they did a good job of), then make him STAY the bad guy. Instead he takes his mask off and its some young, handsome guy with these big 'luscious locks' lol. Him taking his mask off took a lot away from him being the villain I think.

Like I said, it was just too predicable. Bad guys lose. Good guys win. Meh.

hehe i did not watch it, i watch star wars long time ago, and i get bored watching it so i may try watching this one maybe hahah

crazyspaz said:

Kylo taking his mask off was stupid IMO. If you are going to have a villain full of rage (which I thought they did a good job of), then make him STAY the bad guy. Instead he takes his mask off and its some young, handsome guy with these big 'luscious locks' lol. Him taking his mask off took a lot away from him being the villain I think.

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Anyone who's ever worn a mask for any length of time also knows you don't come out of it with anything but completely messed up, wet/sweaty hair.

I expect that bit was done so he could A - have *** appeal, B - be more relate-able to 14 year old boys going through puberty.

InfinitusEquitas said:

Anyone who's ever worn a mask for any length of time also knows you don't come out of it with anything but completely messed up, wet/sweaty hair.

I expect that bit was done so he could A - have *** appeal, B - be more relate-able to 14 year old boys going through puberty.

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Exactly. Really took something away from the movie.

The way I saw the story was it was a complete recycle of older ones, a death star equivalent with fighters trying to shoot the sweet spot going down a slot, son killing his mentor, another hidden rebel base fighting the good fight, destruction of a world(s),