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There was another recent development with the COBALT, program.



And I was just wondering if other folks here find it amusing, just how much the current tech of the SpaceX Falcon9 the Blue Origin Program and the Cobalt Program how they all seem to directly emulate the vertical take off & landing rockets, that were popularized in the SciFi movies etc; of the 1950's?


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Now that you mention it, that's what I kept thinking about while I was watching that video. Now all they need are some aliens to "greet" them when they land.
It's amazing how accurately they can be when landing, they put that thing down exactly where it had obviously landed on previous flights.

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Thanks for sharing CE5! I always enjoy these experimentation videos.

The tech has been around a while, so it's hard to tell if that actually came from sci-fi.

The difference now is that the control systems we have are advanced and quick enough for vertical landings to be done in much larger vehicles under more complicated conditions. Obviously, this opens VTVL for use on Earth with reusable rockets, and that's what SpaceX and Blue Origin are trying for.

It's funny how Spaced is being emulated by Blue Origin, and their relation to old Sci-fi is pretty cool, but COBALT is a bit different.

COBALT seems to be focussing more on navigation systems for autonomous extraterrestrial landings with VTVL rockets. This has been a huge area of research for much longer. It's a very valuable tech in our robotic exploration of the solar system.
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@BTG, I knew I wasn't the only one And yeah Aliens, hopefully the ones wearing mini-skirts and go-go boots.

@Rivem, I never get tired of watching this stuff either.
And this clip, was one of the few VTOL's that had the camera giving a nice clear, close-up birdseye view of that mad maneuvering gimbal in action.
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Nice. A shout out for Von Braun. Many people don't even know who he was anymore.
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I doubt his name will ever been forgotten given the incredible contribution to the lunar missions.

Sadly the names of egineers that made most other space endeavours feasible are forgotten, or at least far eclipsed by the names of the people on any manned missions. The names of the first people to reach orbit, or even the first dog that did are widely know, but those of the engineers that made that possible are forgotten. This even applies to unmanned missions like the ones to mars or the voyager probes.

Science history is odd this way: hydrogen bombs are still referred to by their designers Teller and Ulam, but fission bombs that ended WW2 are rarely referred to as Oppenheimer as one of their leading designers.

I'm not sure why this is the case, but it could be such that scientists that designed such a weapon that was actually used smply do not want that to be their legacy.

Then again it's no secret that von Braun was the mind behind the V2 weapon which caused severe devestation in europe.

I suppose he was just interested in building rockets regardless of purpose, and very good at it. During a war effort that means building rockts to kill, during a time of space exploration that means sending people to the moon.
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Von Braun was very adamant about always wanting to do space exploration. Yeah, he was German during the Nazi regime, but his work with rockets were always toward that purpose and not warfare. I guess it was a good thing for him that he was a talented scientist as the Allies were not very forgiving of Germans and because they lost the war, many of them died. I'll bet if you ask many kids who he was, you'll get a lot of blank stares.
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Nice. A shout out for Von Braun. Many people don't even know who he was anymore.
If you are interested, I do believe the F-1 bits that Bezos had recovered are now on display at Seattle's Museum of Flight.

And @Rivem, if your travels ever take you down around Alamogordo, New Mexico. There is an F-1 on display at the New Mexico Museum of Space History.

And commenting on some historical disconnects, many folks when they hear 'Roswell, New Mexico' think UFO crash. But Roswell, was also where Robert Goddard, accomplished his most significant breakthroughs during the 1930's and this was around the same time period that Wernher Von Braun, was working with Hermann Oberth. And also just how much SciFi, from the earliest days has directly influenced real science. H.G. Wells with Goddard, and Jules Verne with Oberth. Of course the list goes on, and continues right on up through to the present day.

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I think the next big step for us is of course landing on another planet(with humans), but in technological terms going to Alpha Centauri. Landing on the Moon gave us so many technological gifts that imagine what'd we get going to the nearest star. Probably like teleportation or something

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And commenting on some historical disconnects, many folks when they hear 'Roswell, New Mexico' think UFO crash. But Roswell, was also where Robert Goddard, accomplished his most significant breakthroughs during the 1930's and this was around the same time period that Wernher Von Braun, was working with Hermann Oberth. And also just how much SciFi, from the earliest days has directly influenced real science. H.G. Wells with Goddard, and Jules Verne with Oberth. Of course the list goes on, and continues right on up through to the present day.

Haha. You're right about that CE5. Been there several times. New Mexico really has more history in the sciences than a lot of people think. My family has been in the area for centuries, so I'm lucky to have some of it in their past. The isolation is what brought a lot of government research in the beginning, and it snowballed from there. Lots of cool historical sights. I've gotten to see a few cool things in more restricted places as an intern as well. One thing I'd really like to see when I go back south for school is Spaceport America.

Colorado and New Mexico have both been huge in the rocketry industry for a while, so it's sad to see it slow down over here. It's understandable since we've been tied more directly to weapons than manned spaceflight though. Luckily, project Orion is based out of Denver, and the Spaceport is still clinging on despite the apparent lack of Virgin Galactic success.

Columbia did land once at White Sands near Alamogordo back in the day. White Sands was option #3 for landings throughout the shuttle program.
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Von Braun was very adamant about always wanting to do space exploration. Yeah, he was German during the Nazi regime, but his work with rockets were always toward that purpose and not warfare. I guess it was a good thing for him that he was a talented scientist as the Allies were not very forgiving of Germans and because they lost the war, many of them died. I'll bet if you ask many kids who he was, you'll get a lot of blank stares.
I suppose it was his dream to actually venture into space, to the moon and beyond.

And perhaps he made good choices there, regardless if the nazi's or allies actually won the war, there would be a space programme of sorts after.

As for asking kids who historical figures were, don't. Von Braun was a notable engineer, but those kids probably have little notion of who people like Alexander the great, Khan or even Napoleon were. lf you have no interest in recent history i suppose that's fine too, you can live your live without knowing.
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I'm just relocating a convo, that was initiated in another thread, over to this one. Here is the gist of the convo from that other thread* =

"And @ Light superglue, about my location. As a matter of course I monitor various topics on the web, and when I signed up here on LPF, there was some chatter making the rounds on Reddit, 4Chan, and several UFO, Prophecy and Conspiracy sites about an anomaly in the Constellation of Virgo* I entered the coordinates for my location as a beacon of sorts, to see if anyone here would catch it or inquire about it. You are the first to inquire. Sorry there is no prize involved other than for me to offer this explanation, and to also now ask you and others reading this a question. NASA, has been continually imaging pics of this anomaly with it's IRAS Skyview, program.* And when the chatter first started back in 2016, NASA responded by claiming this was something to do with Saturn* but while this may seem plausible, there are others (including myself) that also recognize that the Saturn, explanation also provides a level of 'Plausable Deniability'* So here is the question, after reviewing and doing your own research of the info contained within the links that I just provided above* what do you think this anomaly is?

Hopefully this will be a fun exercise, as that was another one of my reasons for using those coordinates for my location. So here again, I guess the virtual 'prize' is the what do others think or feel this anomaly is? that has and continues to receive ongoing attention not only from the web, but more specifically from NASA itself, as a review of the IRAS image archive reveals."

Again, I've embedded links in that initial convo, simply mouse over the text in that other thread. I'll also just simply list them below. So, what izzit man?

Why is NASA blocking this sector of space? What are they hiding?

https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/userim...7-06-12_1.html

https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/blog/i...016/05/11/757/

https://hiddeninthecrag.wordpress.co...-in-the-stars/
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Likely just an interesting imaging artifact. They happen all the time and spawn all sorts of internet rumors.

I'm more interested in KIC 8462852 It is either a new type of variable star or some type of alien megastructure.
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Nooo, not an artifact. Although NASA, has attempted to explain it away like that. Sure, there are cases where artifacts do happen. But they have been imaging this anomaly for years from different aspects (why all the attention?) and it's just recently caught the curiosity of the web. How can the exact same 'artifact' be occurring at different aspects, dates, years even and remember this is being imaged in the infrared spectrum. And just recently even NASA has started to black out some of the images on the Skyview site as well. This is something they haven't done very often (at least on the Skyview site) and now they are doing it more and more. Something is going on with that anomaly to be sure, but just what it is, and what is going on, well NASA and others in the know are not saying. FWIW, I have some background in Astronomy, and still have some tenured contacts that I've tried to engage on this and their response to me being along the lines of 'we really can't talk about it' says plenty. It's the things that are not talked about that are the really interesting ones. And the KIC 8462852 discovery is interesting, but it is being talked about. Try finding out something about what is going on in Virgo.

I've already provided a few links for assistance. The NASA Skyview, archive is the most telling one. Why all the attention? And I wouldn't be too shocked if NASA starts redacting/deleting even more archived images going forward, now that the attention from the web has increased. Heck I've noticed some blatant skullduggery occur just in the past 2 months.
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One issue with it would be that NASA has no monopoly on gathering information.

ESA has the ability as well, and could be legally forced to disclose any (even raw) data collected under european law if any eu citizen demands they do so. As ESA is a publicly funded they have the legal obligation to disclose any information if asked to do so.

Also there are other countries looking at the sky, and legislation on what to do with any discoveries will vary.

In the EU this is pretty strict though, any findings by any publicly funded organisation (including all bodies of government) must be made public upon request by request of a member of EU society.

There are few exceptions to this: Redaction (as in blacking out pieces) is permissable if making such information public would hinder ongoing criminal investigations, or expose people to danger (i.e. making it easy for some vigilante group to target a suspected but not convicted criminal etc).

Then again there may be more secret deals between governments for keeping knowledg of alien life secret. I don't see much of a reason though: alien life might conflict with christian genesis theories, but many european countries are at a point where christians (or religious people in general) are becoming the minority.
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True, NASA has no monopoly but they are not beholding to disclose anything really. Hence China's recent acceleration (since 2003*) of their space program developments.

Even though the US the EU and many other countries have 'in principle' FOIA-freedom of information acts, the realities and the exceptions (the US currently has 9 exceptions*) have just as many barriers in place to limit access to any information as governments or agencies deem in their best interest to not disclose. The EU systems are also rife with inequities*. So the EU the US, China, Russia or any other country is not going to easily and willingly just hand over sensitive info of any nature that they do not want to. The exception laws already in place allow them to deny providing ANYTHING they choose not to release to ANYONE.

The thing concerning off planet Alien anything, is that in fact there have been many official actions and information releases by several governments and countries ie; Notable among these have been the UK, France and the Vatican among others.* As can be observed via <-that link* this sort of soft disclosure seems to have started at the same time beginning around mid 2k.

Getting back to the anomaly in Virgo, let's imagine what sort of technology is required for interstellar travel and then add to that equation the technology required for intergalactic travel. With interstellar being travel within our local Milky Way galaxy and as follows intergalactic, being travels to other galaxies. Perhaps this technology also involves some form of inter-dimensional aspects as well? Could this anomaly be some sort of observable rift?
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