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Old 06-03-2016, 06:11 AM #145
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Unless said civilization has the ability to significantly expand it's environment. Given that technology and science are very quickly outpacing traditions, religions and prejudices, if there are some breakthroughs that allow the human race to begin to colonize space, one distinct possibility is that we will see the formation of planet spanning nation states, with whole solar systems controlled by say the chinese, another by the japanese, another by jews, and more by islamic state descendants.


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I think we can remove this planet as possible contender for life?



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Sweet, this has become a sticky!

Another possible explanation is that once a species grows too advanced, they can't control themselves and eventually lead to their destruction & extinction. If we humans already have that ability, it wouldn't surprise me what some highly advance civilization can do!

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Awesome! I've never had a thread stickied in a place I didn't moderate before.

I think the idea of civilizations getting so advanced that they destroy themselves is very reasonable. Looking at ancient "lost" civilizations, they were mostly very advanced compared to their neighbors. Two possible scenarios could be that either they develop a destructive technology that gets out of hand or they become overly dependent on tech that eventually fails them or exhausts resources.
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Awesome! I've never had a thread stickied in a place I didn't moderate before.

I think the idea of civilizations getting so advanced that they destroy themselves is very reasonable. Looking at ancient "lost" civilizations, they were mostly very advanced compared to their neighbors. Two possible scenarios could be that either they develop a destructive technology that gets out of hand or they become overly dependent on tech that eventually fails them or exhausts resources.
Very possible that is what could happen to us if we aren't careful!

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Did you know there are more stars then grains of sand on Earth?

It's very possible some distant planet away is having this exact same conversation on their version on LPF

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But just this morning I was watching the story of the Hubble and they randomly pointed to a spot in space with it in an area about the size of the hole in a drinking straw and within something around 24 hours they had counted 10,000 stars and stopped. So I can see the sand theory even though I kinda doubted it

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Very late on this subject and my first post as this thread as it can get mind boggling with all the theory's and possible alien forms, plus I know in my lifetime i'll never see anything.
But just this morning I was watching the story of the Hubble and they randomly pointed to a spot in space with it in an area about the size of the hole in a drinking straw and within something around 24 hours they had counted 10,000 stars and stopped. So I can see the sand theory even though I kinda doubted it
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It's impossible to truly comprehend the sheer scale of it - always blows my mind.

Talking of space games - haven't played Space Engine, looks cool, would probably set my desktop computer on fire with those graphics. Should try out Kerbal Space Program if you haven't already - might enjoy that too. Especially with the newer versions that have cool shader/texture packs and better performance.
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It's impossible to truly comprehend the sheer scale of it - always blows my mind.

Talking of space games - haven't played Space Engine, looks cool, would probably set my desktop computer on fire with those graphics. Should try out Kerbal Space Program if you haven't already - might enjoy that too. Especially with the newer versions that have cool shader/texture packs and better performance.
Yeah haha. Their website recommends a minimum of 4GB's of Ram to run Space Engine properly, my laptop has 6GB's and I still lag at some parts

Anyway, what's cool is that you can choose to travel at different speeds in the game. So like 50KM/H or 1cc(light speed) or 50cc. Even traveling at light speed it still takes awhile to travel the solar system! NEEEED MOAR SPEED

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We simply do not have any natural, experience based reference points for those kinds of sizes and distances. Nothing that even comes close. I feel that's part of the reason that many extremely intelligent, otherwise rational people turn to religion. They begin to see a very tiny portion of the scope of the known universe and it is extremely humbling.
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We simply do not have any natural, experience based reference points for those kinds of sizes and distances. Nothing that even comes close. I feel that's part of the reason that many extremely intelligent, otherwise rational people turn to religion. They begin to see a very tiny portion of the scope of the known universe and it is extremely humbling.
That, or they believe the complexity and beauty of our universe/world couldn't be purely accidental. I've also encountered a few people who simply cannot accept the big bang theory without bringing religion into things. If it's impossible for everything to come from nothing, then the impossible must be possible or something like that. I don't wanna turn this into religion discussion 2.0 though
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IfmgyXs7z8
I'll just leave this here. Really interesting channel for those who are into this kinda stuff. Gotta wonder what the implications of these things might be down the road.
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I call bullshit. ANYTHING at 1800F would be glowing bright orange.
I know that carbon and tungsten won't glow that easily, and plenty compounds should be similar
Not sure how likely they would be to cover a planet, but the graphic may have very well been a misinterpretation of data.
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I know that carbon and tungsten won't glow that easily, and plenty compounds should be similar
Not sure how likely they would be to cover a planet, but the graphic may have very well been a misinterpretation of data.
I've heated a rod of graphite with a propane torch before(don't ask why) and I can assure that it glows. Haven't tried tungsten, but that seems unlikely to cover the surface of a planet anyway.
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