some avatars make me angry

Trevor · Jul 21, 2010

Wikipedia said:
It is commonly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer, and it has also been used as an oxidizing agent in explosives, including improvised explosive devices.

Well shoot. I can't tell if she's building a bomb or gardening.

-Trevor

ElektroFreak · Jul 21, 2010

Tech_Junkie said:
My favorite Megadeth song of them all!!!

Nah, he's not prejudiced. Right now in the world Muslim extremists are screwing with a lot of people. People are trying to forget that. Seeing pictures that, even if they are not meant to, portray Muslims with weapons makes people uneasy. It makes it so they cant forget. I dont pretend to understand where you are coming from. But I understand why people would be upset. Your photos only have meaning for yourself. How are we suppose to know they are members of the national armies? I dont see any army gear in any of your photos. There is not one thing that says they are NOT. Its really not a good time to be posting photos like that. How about posting pictures of recognized Muslim peace leaders? Wouldn't that be more appropriate to send the message that all Muslims are not terrorists? If you want to fly a flag, its has to be a recognized one, or people are just going to make assumptions. And considering what is going on in the world, you cant get mad because people are getting the wrong impression. Its your own fault.

That's precisely right. That's like those simply tasteless pictures that were found on here of some young, female suicide bomber's head lying in the street after she had killed herself and others.. along with text and commentary glorifying her actions. Muslims can't get mad when the world gets upset with the despicable actions of their extremist members. If Muslims want the world to respect and appreciate them, then not killing people would be a real great place to start, and not posting offensive imagery with gun-toting muslim Jihadi might not hurt either. As T_J said, how about posting pics in support of peace, or in support of ending religious violence? It seems like the common muslim is always so quick to point out the fact that they themselves are non-violent. I don't ever hear them condemning the violence commited by the extrmists, though..

pullbangdead · Jul 21, 2010

Tech_Junkie said:
Soooo how is that being a terrorist? She's feeding the forest, no?

Using ammonium nitrate appropriately = feeding the forest.
Using ammonium nitrate inappropriately = Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, aka terrorist.

Using an RPG appropriately = national defense.
Using an RPG inappropriately = terrorist.

A photo of a person with an RPG where they are not using it inappropriately no more signifies terrorism than does a photo of a person using ammonium nitrate who is not using it inappropriately. One is not killing anyone, the other is not building a bomb.

Some posters are correct, without context it's hard to tell what's happening in a photo. But in both these photos, there is nothing to indicate the people in them are doing anything wrong, and statistically they're FAR, FAR, FAR more likely to be doing good things than bad. Ie, "defending homeland" and "feeding the forest", rather than "being a terrorist" and "building a bomb".

If it was the same photo of a woman holding some ammonium nitrate, but instead of a wool cap she was wearing a burqa, would you still feel the same way about her?

Tech_Junkie · Jul 21, 2010

Simon you going to say something? Dont worry, we still love you.

Edit: @PBD its not the same. That girl was not packing it in barrels. You have a clue on what she is doing. The other pictures you don have a clue. Context my friend, is the key.

chipdouglas · Jul 21, 2010

while you all have valid points, the final decision of what is offensive is in the eyes and mind of the viewer.

michael

Fonduman · Jul 21, 2010

pullbangdead said:
Using ammonium nitrate appropriately = feeding the forest.
Using ammonium nitrate inappropriately = Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, aka terrorist.

Using an RPG appropriately = national defense.
Using an RPG inappropriately = terrorist.

A photo of a person with an RPG where they are not using it inappropriately no more signifies terrorism than does a photo of a person using ammonium nitrate who is not using it inappropriately. One is not killing anyone, the other is not building a bomb.

Some posters are correct, without context it's hard to tell what's happening in a photo. But in both these photos, there is nothing to indicate the people in them are doing anything wrong, and statistically they're FAR, FAR, FAR more likely to be doing good things than bad. Ie, "defending homeland" and "feeding the forest", rather than "being a terrorist" and "building a bomb".

If it was the same photo of a woman holding some ammonium nitrate, but instead of a wool cap she was wearing a burqa, would you still feel the same way about her?

plus in either case of the rpg its violence

diachi · Jul 21, 2010

Fonduman said:
plus in either case of the rpg its violence

Not always, could be using it for fishing. YouTube - RPG Fishing

pullbangdead · Jul 21, 2010

Tech_Junkie said:
Simon you going to say something? Dont worry, we still love you.

Edit: @PBD its not the same. That girl was not packing it in barrels. You have a clue on what she is doing. The other pictures you don have a clue. Context my friend, is the key.

The *only* context is that the women is wearing a burqa (or is this called hijab? I'm sorry if I'm incorrect in my nomenclature).

Since the *only* context is that the women is wearing a burqa (again, apologies if this is the wrong name), it is clear that that particular type of clothing indicates "terrorist" to at least some people on this thread. That is an assumption that is incorrect and definitely offensive, more offensive than the picture itself as it is an assumption that a particular religion = terrorism, when that is definitely not the case.

Now, was that a baited assumption? Quite possibly, but I have no clue of the real intentions of such a photo.

lasersbee · Jul 21, 2010

2007Revolution said:
TBH, I find this slightly prejudiced. If this had been a picture of a Canadian, or American solider, or even an average Joe with a weapon this would not have been an issue, but since it's a Muslim, it's automatically assumed "terrorist". The individuals in my avatar pictures are members of the national armies of Muslim countries or in some cases local police forces and have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. I choose these pictures because they mean something to me, just as others have pictures of flags or soldiers, so please, try to be a bit more careful about categorizing Muslims as terrorists.

Tech_Junkie said:
Nah, he's not prejudiced. Right now in the world Muslim extremists are screwing with a lot of people. People are trying to forget that. Seeing pictures that, even if they are not meant to, portray Muslims with weapons makes people uneasy. It makes it so they cant forget. I dont pretend to understand where you are coming from. But I understand why people would be upset. Your photos only have meaning for yourself. How are we suppose to know they are members of the national armies? I dont see any army gear in any of your photos. There is not one thing that says they are NOT. Its really not a good time to be posting photos like that. How about posting pictures of recognized Muslim peace leaders? Wouldn't that be more appropriate to send the message that all Muslims are not terrorists? If you want to fly a flag, its has to be a recognized one, or people are just going to make assumptions. And considering what is going on in the world, you cant get mad because people are getting the wrong impression. Its your own fault.

@ T_J... you took the words out of my mouth... exactly how I would
have responded...

@ 2007Rev...
the only reason it bothers be a bit is because you and a member
buddy had already shown a tendency to like to show pictures
of Terrorist Martyrs with their heads blown off in your Profile albums
a while back...
Correct me if I'm wrong...

Again.... T_J said it all... Canadian and US Soldiers are easily
identified by their uniform.....
The picture in your avatar shows a regular non military female
with a grenade launcher...
I have seen pictures of Terrorists Females in similar poses with weapons...
What would you as a non Muslim see and think.... honestly...

Jerry

lasersbee · Jul 21, 2010

GoRdOn_B said:
Honestly.....

I cant stand TJ's "wrap your willy sig"
LoL

Also:
I never saw anything wrong with 2007revZ avy
All Muslims are NOT terrorists
*(Ahhh Mr. Brzezinski.. I didnt see you there)
:tinfoil:

Read your Avatar......:crackup::crackup::na:

Jerry

pullbangdead · Jul 21, 2010

That may very well be the uniform of the militia. They may very well be wearing a full uniform underneath the hijab/burqa/I-don't-know-what-it's-really-called. It's only our own biases that say what a military uniform looks like. He already said his avatars are different forms of police and military, and it makes sense that in those jobs as well, it would still be typical for women to wear the modest clothing.

ElektroFreak · Jul 21, 2010

Speaking only for myself, I always find it slightly weird whenever I hear things like "All muslims aren't terrorists".. Of course technically this is true, but until I see a whole bunch more of them standing up for PEACE instead of SENSELESS BLOODSHED I'm not necessarily buying the idea that they're a peace-loving culture seeking to live in harmony with the people of earth in general.. It doesn't matter if you build the bombs or not, if you don't take a stand against violence, then you support it by default.

I'm with Jerry on this one 100%.

Ears and Eggs · Jul 21, 2010

lasersbee said:
@ 2007Rev...
the only reason it bothers be a bit is because you and a member
buddy had already shown a tendency to like to show pictures
of Terrorist Martyrs with their heads blown off in your Profile albums
a while back...
Correct me if I'm wrong...

I was not the one who posted those photos, nor did I even comment on the particular picture you referred too. They were posted by another member and I responded to some of them with images and text, which I was very careful to word so that it did not promote their actions, but merely to express my sadness at the situation in general.

pullbangdead said:
That may very well be the uniform of the militia. They may very well be wearing a full uniform underneath the hijab/burqa/I-don't-know-what-it's-really-called. It's only our own biases that say what a military uniform looks like. He already said his avatars are different forms of police and military, and it makes sense that in those jobs as well, it would still be typical for women to wear the modest clothing.

Exactly, that in fact is their uniform. I understand that it is quite different from what we expect a military uniform to look like, but I have many pictures of this particular battalion training and this is at least part of the official uniform of their division. Sometimes they are seen with helmets and insignia, but as with all armies, every single piece of the uniform is not always warn during every second of training.

Also, I THINK the clothing she is wearing is a called a chador, burqa would cover the face.

EDIT: Yeah, what she is wearing is called a chador, had to look this up as I was unsure as what this was called in English, but it appears all the words are universal.

lasersbee · Jul 21, 2010

2007Revolution said:
Exactly, that in fact is their uniform. I understand that it is quite different from what we expect a military uniform to look like, but I have many pictures of this particular battalion training and this is at least part of the official uniform of their division. Sometimes they are seen with helmets and insignia, but as with all armies, every single piece of the uniform is not always warn during every second of training.

Also, I THINK the clothing she is wearing is a called a chador, burqa would cover the face.

Thanks for clearing that up a bit...:beer:
Sure saved me a lot of looking for pro Hitler pics...:eg:

Would it not have been easier to state that after I posted...

lasersbee said:
I think 2007rev keeps changing his avatar to show
probable terrorists... that pisses me off a bit...

Jerry
(7400-294-26309)

Tech_Junkie · Jul 21, 2010

lasersbee said:
Sure saved me a lot of looking for pro Hitler pics...:eg:

I have some extras if you need them. :evil:

Sorry had to double post. I just looked up ass kissing gum, and the photo was on this page.

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laser_freak · Jul 21, 2010

Personally, what some people have said about 2007Revolution's avatar has made more angry than anything else. Some of the comments are rude an offensive.
Please, let's respect each other.

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