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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....



sorry long day full of annoying customers
 





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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....



sorry long day full of annoying customers

ive always wondered the same thing but it is what it is...
 
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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....



sorry long day full of annoying customers

Do it and I'll buy 30 of them if you can make it fit the MXDL 3105 flashlight or the Cree Q5 "Sliver" flashlight.

PM me if you're interested ;)

I used to work at Eckerd in the photo department, had many the long day of very annoying customers wanting everything and want it now. It works best in my opinion to just do what you can to make the nice one's happy and enough to get by for the rude ones. You have to remember if there are enough customers, you are the one in charge, not them. "supply and demand".

-Kendall

PS. check out this wine, http://wine.woot.com I have never had it but am positive it will be amazing. It's wine.woot 's 1 year anniversary this week and this is their gift. I bought 12 bottles.
 

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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....



sorry long day full of annoying customers

I have access to about 5 lathes living here, and I could probably do heatsinks for less than $10 each, but I just do not have the time or patience to do such a thing, then deal with all the n00bs that come crying to me that they killed their diode.

People that do this and sell them need to have good patience and willing to spend a fair bit of their time doing it.

To be honest, the laser pointer hobby needs to be more expensive, to stop people like the retards shining lasers at planes, getting their hands on high powered lasers.
 

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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....



sorry long day full of annoying customers

Keep track of all the money you spend on tools, packaging, set screws, postage, and PayPal fees. Not just the heatsink material price. (shipped)

Takes more time to put a set screw too. Takes time to communicate sales, package product, ship packages....

Good customer service will take a lot of time too. (answering questions and so forth)
 
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Keep track of all the money you spend on tools, packaging, set screws, postage, and PayPal fees. Not just the heatsink material.
Takes more time to put a set screw too. Takes time to communicate sales, package product, ship packages....
Good customer service will take a lot of time too. (answering questions and so forth)

These kinds of "statements" do NOT deserve an answer. The OP obviously does NOT understand how a business is run.

Let him make his own.

Peace,
dave
 
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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....



sorry long day full of annoying customers

Hmmm.... where to start....

If you find $20.00 too expensive then your best bet would be to
purchase the following items so that you can make a 6" aluminum
host for $3.30 (your quoted $0.55/inch) yourself....

1) Heated area to work $$$
2) Electricity to run Lathe and lights $$$
3) Lathe $$$
4) Misc Lathe tools $$$
5) drills and taps $$$
6) cutting fluid $$$
7) Expertise on Lathe
8) Marketing knowledge
9) Shipping materials $$$
10) Labor to do the above $$$
11) $3.30 for chunk of aluminum $$$

I probably missed a bunch of stuff since I don't have a lathe...
but you get the Idea.
After you have paid for the materials
and tools above... you still don't have a completed usable host...

How many Hosts and/or Heatsinks do you think you will need to
sell... just to break even....:thinking:


Jerry
 
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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....



sorry long day full of annoying customers

Should I even dignify that with a response?

Any one else notice he said people sell their heat sinks for $20+ but he will set up his own "business" and sell them for $15 "so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too....." Hmmm.. funny thats a profit of ~$12 for a $15 heat sink.... and umm saving of $5 for a cheap poor quality heat sink that some one has quickly made.. or for $5 extra..... ohh the benefits! Man I dare you to go out and buy a lathe and start this company up.. hell I'll give you $15 right now for a MXDL heat sink if its the same quality as jayrobs!

Bottom line.. its not going to happen the way you think! prices are like that for a reason.. plus I don't have a problem with $20-30 heat sink.. sounds fair to me.. and I'm 17 yo.

PS: have you seen the prices of lathes these days?

-Adrian
 
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anyone ever notice that most of the sales of LPF are ruled by whoever can turn a chunk of metal into a heatsink, i never realized how irritating this is, i mean $20+ to turn a cylinder with a damn hole in it..... comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but considering 6061-t6 aluminum 2" diameter bar is $1.10 an inch, and 1 1/2" diameter is 55 cents an inch, how the hell are members charging $20+ a heatsink thats maybe an inch and a half max in diameter and around 3/4" long, christ im going to buy a lathe and sell heatsinks for $10-15 shipped so people who dont have a shit ton of money can build decent lasers too.....'
OR----------------------------------------anyone ever notice that a lot of posts on LPF are ruled by noobs who cannot find the search or want to whine about the cost of things? i never realized how irritating this is, ('cause my head is up my a**) i mean members not willing to donate thier time(labor)to me, is not understandable. comon, i understand people need to profit for lost time and everything but just not from me. i would make my own stuff but they have this gun at my head making me send them sooooo much money---really the nerve of those LPF members!! i know they are getting rich from it. they must have a shit ton of money by now. all for just a chunk of metal with a damn hole in it.... an sum o them cant spel so desent ether.======================= just kiddin' of course.
 
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im not trying to be an ass over this, its just kind of irritating when someone has a low budget and wants to persue this hobby, i mean id love a 405-1 lens but i dont have $50 laying around to buy one, or enough money to make a .5W 405nm that id love to have. i know jayrob and everyone else out there has bills to pay, tools to maintain etc, and im not going to lie they make flawless heatsinks, hosts build kits, and have great rep with sales and feedback and they put alot of time to keep that rep with their customers, not to forget how much they contribute to the forum.

i apologize for the original post, like i said i had a crappy day at work with the customers i had to deal with at advanced auto parts.

some of the replies really gave an insight to where the cost comes from, i mean i still think its a bit high, but everyone has to make a living
 

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Basically, is the same reason for which i DON'T sell my items, nor here nor in any other places, like instead some peoples do (and, be sure, i'm NOT criticizing any of them ;))

Just as example ..... i still have around 8 or 10 PHR pressed in aixiz, with my LDO driver, but how can i sell them outside Italy, if Italian post system ask me 20 or 25 $ just for ship an unregistered envelope til there ? ..... how i can ask, as example, 5 or 6 $ for drivers, if i have then to ask the buyer to pay 15$ of shipping fees ? (not speaking about the time i need for that, time that must be subtracted from the time i need for run my little shop, eat, and occasionally, also sleep :p)

I also find some of the prices a bit high, at first sight, but thinking about the rest, i see that they are maybe a little bit high, but not exagerated, at least not the ones from peoples that do very precise lathe works (before run this little shop, i worked some year in a mechanical factory (or whatever you call it in English :p) ..... have you never tried to work at lathe a copper bar, drill it, make seps and other details INSIDE, polish all, thread it (maybe in 0,5mm step :p), also just keeping the piece in +0.0/-0.02mm standard tolerance ? ..... if not, try ..... it's funny (i'm sure that the ones, here, that works with lathes and copper knows how it's funny ..... :eg: :p)

Other than this, and the expenses already listed from other users, there's also to considerate these things that, usually, none think about ..... imprecisions and accidents, that make you discard the piece, and ofcourse also all the time you spent on it ..... tools breaking, it always can happen, and if you've never buyed widia tools, you just can't imagine how much they cost ..... and so on.

I also can be happy to see custom design heatsinks/holders on sale for 5$, but realistically, i think that for see this happens, we first need to find a working magic wand ..... ;) :D

Just personal reflections, ok ? ..... no offense to anyone, i hope ;)
 
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