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JBTexas · Jun 22, 2011

Doesn't it depend on the crime, the judge, the jury, and whether the prosecution gives a sentencing recommendation?

What about a SUSPENDED sentence? You don't REALLY do ANY time then.

Lotus_Darkrose said:
I would have more insight on this if I was completely baked.

I'm with Lotus on this. Spent too many TIMEs up all night with friends, discussing things like this. It can make your head explode.

Gryphon · Jun 22, 2011

time is that thing that never seems to pass by when you're sitting in Calc II class

RA_pierce · Jun 22, 2011

Cyparagon said:
lasersbee is a fraud! He's not measuring laser power, he's just measuring the electrical potential difference between an array of metal junctions!

I think that is different than measuring time.

If you disagree I would much rather read why than a witty comment implying that there is something illogical about my reasoning.

I understand that electricity, magnetism, gravitation, what have you can be measured but why is time a separate piece of our universe?

From my understanding, the most reliable, natural way to measure "time" is astronomy.
We measure years with our position relative to the Sun, same as the seasons, a month is measured using the moon as reference, and we are able to date fossilized materials using radiometric age dating.
So then, is a point in time not always associated with a unique "state" of change?
When we say that someone looks XX years old, are we not implying that we associate the passage of time with the physical condition of the body?
And would you say that, without knowledge of the future or a memory of the past, you would have a concept of time?

I cannot feel time pass. I can feel the effect of gravity, heat, and an electric shock. The only way to tell what time it is (that I know of) is by assigning each position of two hands on a clock a value or looking at the Sun and moon.

Please don't assume that I am speaking (typing) with any hostility. I like to hear/read other perspectives. :yh:

Meatball · Jun 22, 2011

RA_pierce said:
From my understanding, the most reliable, natural way to measure "time" is astronomy.

I love thinking about this. Try this:

Look at the sun, (I don't recommend) and you see 8 mins into your relative past.

Look at the next nearest star and you see 4 years into your relative past.

Look at some other random dot, and figure you're looking hundreds of thousands of years into the relative past.

You can literally poke through history, just by looking at some other star relative to you.

All the information that space can throw at us through all time 8 mins ago and beyond, is being thrown onto your retinas simultaneously. You can no longer look up at the sky and make a measure of where each star is relative to the other at that very moment, until you can compensate for every light year apart that every star is, from the billions of stars adjacent to it.

Now we're cookin

Ray J Neal · Jun 22, 2011

Damn this is getting good. REALLY makes you think. Pierce, I really enjoy reading your thoughts on this topic. If I could rep you, I would.

ShortyInCanada · Jun 22, 2011

"Time" is an idea. An idea is simply a construct of a sentient being. For lower living things there is no "time" as there is no idea. Any sentient being could conceptualize "time" but they wouldn't necessarily do so or in a manner that we would possibly recognise.
Arguably, as stated earlier, "time" can also be though of as being the beginning of another dimension. As beings limited to an existence in 3 dimensions we are incapable of being able to fully understand a 4th. We can understand clearly about 2 dimensions and even, with training, the concept of only having 1 dimension. (If there were 2 dimensional beings, they would only be able to understand 2 or 1 dimensions. If you were to temporarily take one of these beings into the 3rd dimension for a brief time and then return it to it's place of origin it would be unable to define what it had experienced and would have a complete inability to communicate that experience to others of it's dimension.)
To make it more interesting, take a moment to note ; That any 3D object wil cast a shadow that is in effect only 2D, That a 2D object will cast a shadow that is 1D, and that scientists/mathmaticians have created a 3D shadow of an object they conceptualize as being 4D. Don't ask what that might be as there is no way of explaining it among us inhabitants of this 3D existence.

I too spent an entire night or two discussing this with a few friends and my theories take into account many of the unexplained things of our universe and explain them, to a limited extent albeit. Ghosts, premonition, psychics, "guardian angels", and much more can be postulized when the restraint of "time" is removed.
It's enough to make your mind burn for days.

Things · Jun 22, 2011

Another mindf*** to ponder is what happens when you break the speed of light. If you broke the speed of light, apparently everything around you would slow down, but you would see things happening in your future, not what you're currently doing, because the light you see "currently" is actually behind you

millirad · Jun 22, 2011

Time is an illusion of the mind, in which a sequential thread of events/movement are recorded. In the event that the mind is not conscious, then time is the sequential thread of events/movement that occur, completely absent from a recorded thought process. Therefore the entropy that takes place, does so without being observed. A positional change in space of all relative objects/entities.

Time does not pass for objects at zero degrees Kelvin(in relation to each other), because atoms cease to move, and movement/distance is time.(just my shallow interpretation)

lasersbee · Jun 22, 2011

Cyparagon said:
lasersbee is a fraud! He's not measuring laser power, he's just measuring the electrical potential difference between an array of metal junctions!

Who said the LaserBee could measure time.....:thinking:

News Flash !!!!
The LaserBee LPMs don't measure time but the power of
Laser beams.... using semiconductor junctions....:na:

Time is what it takes to make stuff....

EDIT
Corrected a misquote above..
Thanks....

Jerry

Trevor · Jun 22, 2011

lasersbee said:
News Flash !!!!
The LaserBee LPMs don't measure time but the energy of
a Laser beams.... using semiconductor junctions....

Laserbees do energy too now? :shhh:

-Trevor

chipdouglas · Jun 22, 2011

ShortyInCanada said:
"Time" is an idea. An idea is simply a construct of a sentient being. For lower living things there is no "time" as there is no idea. Any sentient being could conceptualize "time" but they wouldn't necessarily do so or in a manner that we would possibly recognise.
Arguably, as stated earlier, "time" can also be though of as being the beginning of another dimension. As beings limited to an existence in 3 dimensions we are incapable of being able to fully understand a 4th. We can understand clearly about 2 dimensions and even, with training, the concept of only having 1 dimension. (If there were 2 dimensional beings, they would only be able to understand 2 or 1 dimensions. If you were to temporarily take one of these beings into the 3rd dimension for a brief time and then return it to it's place of origin it would be unable to define what it had experienced and would have a complete inability to communicate that experience to others of it's dimension.)
To make it more interesting, take a moment to note ; That any 3D object wil cast a shadow that is in effect only 2D, That a 2D object will cast a shadow that is 1D, and that scientists/mathmaticians have created a 3D shadow of an object they conceptualize as being 4D. Don't ask what that might be as there is no way of explaining it among us inhabitants of this 3D existence.

I too spent an entire night or two discussing this with a few friends and my theories take into account many of the unexplained things of our universe and explain them, to a limited extent albeit. Ghosts, premonition, psychics, "guardian angels", and much more can be postulized when the restraint of "time" is removed.
It's enough to make your mind burn for days.

I disagree. How do animals know to mate. The have biological clocks.

Cyparagon · Jun 22, 2011

RA_pierce said:
I think that is different than measuring time.

How?

RA_pierce said:
I cannot feel time pass. I can feel the effect of gravity, heat, and an electric shock.

I hope you're not implying you need to be able to sense something personally for it to exist.

ShortyInCanada said:
"Time" is an idea. An idea is simply a construct of a sentient being.

ooooo... extending syllogisms is always fun

Here we go!

All events take time to occur.
Without sentient beings, there would be no idea, and therefore no time. Hence, nothing would happen.
Humans are therefore responsible for all events in the universe :undecided:

One man's philosophical musings are another man's trite nonsense.

Ray J Neal · Jun 22, 2011

Where are you located in WI?

HIMNL9 · Jun 22, 2011

^ THIS

(J/K

)

Ra1nfade · Jun 22, 2011

Cyparagon said:
ooooo... extending syllogisms is always fun Here we go!

QUOTE]

Very well done :beer:

If it takes time for any event to occur and humans as well as other organisms have to use senses to percieve these occurances then if would seem that we do not live in the present but in a present slightly behind the ture present.

lasersbee · Jun 22, 2011

My cats know when it is the correct time of day to get
fed a treat... They have regular dry food and water
available 24/7.
They are all over me to get their treat food in the morning
but will not suck up and "ask" the rest of the day to get a
treat because they know it only happens once a day in the
morning...
Even my cats seem to have a sense of time...

Jerry

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