Neg Rep Mob Mentality

Happy said:

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Sorry, I can't connect to this idea. There's a lot of mob mentality on this forum I agree with that.
It's one thing to spam a thread full of GIFs and images to drive the point home that their topic isn't welcome.

It's another to go well out of one's way to cast fear, uncertainty and doubt on competing products and those who
actually strive to bring new ideas to the forum.

There's no excuse for Jerry's behavior. Most don't see it, Jerry puts on a big smile for everyone who might be
a potential customer. He spams it up in the welcome section to make sure everyone sees his big advertisement signature.

He might help out some noobs with some questions or getting a part working.

However, that all changes once he realizes you're not going to be buying from him. If you dare raise concerns with his product
or even worse work on creating something in the LPM market then you really get to see what kind of person he is.



I've been off Lasersbee's radar for a while now. I had to close down my projects and store due to life commitments; but I got to
see it first hand, both aimed directly at myself and now 3rd party with ARG and Trevor's work in LPMs.

MarioMaster said:

There's no excuse for Jerry's behavior. Most don't see it, Jerry puts on a big smile for everyone who might be
a potential customer. He spams it up in the welcome section to make sure everyone sees his big advertisement signature.

He might help out some noobs with some questions or getting a part working.

However, that all changes once he realizes you're not going to be buying from him. If you dare raise concerns with his product
or even worse work on creating something in the LPM market then you really get to see what kind of person he is.

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Boy is that the truth! I have PMs from Jerry roughly 5-6 months ago when I first wanted to get a LPM and was interested in a LB (thats all I knew was available). Jerry was SUPER nice and always answered my questions, while pushing his product (i understand pushing the sale and thats not the point). As soon as I found the ARGMeter and brought that into the convo out of pure curiosity, his tone changed. He became more defensive and pushed his product over Alex's (Again understand the competition). Finally said i wanted to do more research and then never contacted him back.

im guessing after a few months of no word he figured i wasnt going to be a customer and everything was calm. I finally do a write up on the Rubicon since i bought it and Jerry was attacking that. Then he attacks my graphs and such. IMO its jealousy that someone else has entered the market with their FIRST creation as a team and they are being so successful.

I completely agree with the bold statement, Jerry is all rainbows and unicorns when you are a potential customer but when you go to someone else or dont buy from him, it turns into trolls and gargoyles!

-LL

I think this thread prettymuch sums up the way he conducts himself.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/strange-artifacts-new-lpm-s-output-85083.html

He posted this thread, expecting it to be a "gotcha!" met with much fanfare. He did not, however, bother to circle back with Livinloud to understand the nature of the "evidence" he was citing.

The thread progressed with confirmation that there isn't an issue - and today, djQUAN posted an excellent analysis in which he reproduced the "problem" under controlled conditions, showing that movement was indeed the cause.

Jerry posted that thread nearly three weeks ago now, has been online numerous times, but has never returned to the thread. It shows that he was never interested in any scientific discourse (which, because he was not around, happened in a wonderful and civil manner) - he just wanted to cause trouble, and abandoned the thread when he saw he had been proven wrong.

He could be a great asset to the forum if he wanted to be - but therein lies the problem.

Trevor

hwang21 said:

:thinking: but the currency conversion I can't blame him for, after all he lives in Canada (or so I am led to believe)

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Yeah, I can understand that. I just never got the point of being so blatant about it. If someone doesn't read your disclaimer, just refund them, and send them a notice in private.

Happy said:

I'm out,

TJ

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Apparently not, but then I guess trolls of a feather stick together.

Livinloud said:

im guessing after a few months of no word he figured i wasnt going to be a customer and everything was calm. I finally do a write up on the Rubicon since i bought it and Jerry was attacking that. Then he attacks my graphs and such. IMO its jealousy that someone else has entered the market with their FIRST creation as a team and they are being so successful.

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I've stayed out of the conversation up to that point actually.

At that point he lost what little credibility and respect he maintained in my eyes, never even following up on the thread.

(Mind you that respect was already exceedingly limited after he tried to pass off an advertisement as a review. Of course the 2-3 times he tried posting it he got called out on it. The last time the thread was made locked and a disclaimer was added.)

1. Yes you are. You're buds, that's ok.

2. By handled you mean Trev, and ARG should have been run off the forum?

3. No one is preaching. Be civil, don't troll. Jerry had trouble with both of these concepts, especially the latter as of late.

4. You're right, you weren't that petty.

You were way WAY WAY more petty.

Edit: You're a self professed troll. Trolls live under bridges. What's wrong with telling you to go home? :thinking:

Happy said:

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How should the conflict that Jerry perpetuates be handled?

There have been numerous communications with forum staff from many people over the years. Simply ignoring him and continuing with my code projects won't work, because he hovers in those threads, spamming disclaimers and trolling.

With all other options to make him cease his practices exhausted, making his reputation page reflect the way he conducts himself was the last viable option.

It turns out that making him realize that sleaziness has consequences was a pretty effective way to quiet the sleaziness.

The method may be questionable, but you can't argue with the results - an LPF that has been pretty drama-free with the added bonus of civil, scientific discourse about LPM's.

Trevor

If it goes on, I see no reason to stop. I have yet to see a company that doesn't patch up or address claims of fault on their products/service. In that respect, I disagree with Happy

EDIT: oh and Happy, some people here don't like the use of offensive language on the Forum. May you please tone it down a bit? Thanks

Question .. If a member is put on ignore are they still free to post on the OPs of those that put him on ignore? if not that system needs some improving- ESPECIALLY a banned member returning--WTH?

@TJ
Don't feed the troll

I've tried ignoring him, but that didn't stop him for long (you can see a period of about three weeks where I had him on my ignore list, and never addressed him)
I've tried discussing with him scientifically and he starts name calling.

So far, what has been working is calling him out on his actions.

I agree that bans would work, Jerry has been banned multiple times in the past and it worked then, it should work now too. However, that is out of my control; I'm not a moderator so I can't ban him.

Happy said:

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This happened the first time after Jerry got really riled up with the original Kenometer fiasco.

[storytime]

Kenom's build quality was questionable but he worked hard to bring something new to the market, something that until Trevor came along had been unmatched in performance and features. Kenom's downfall was his poor living conditions and family matters that ultimately severed his connection to the forum.

During the mess of Jerry's thread crapping he was given a temporary ban; during this time he ranted and raved on another forum (the one that Timelord slinked off to after he got banned). This was what lead to his (supposedly) perma-ban shortly after.

This only lasted like two weeks I believe, at which point he bargained to Avery to rejoin the forum since he pays a good chunk of money for forum advertisements.

Lo and behold Jerry was back, and has been stirring up crap since then.

[/storytime]


What is the point of threatening bans when bans hold no true weight?

hakzaw1 said:

Question .. If a member is put on ignore are they still free to post on the OPs of those that put him on ignore? if not that system needs some improving- ESPECIALLY a banned member returning--WTH?

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Yes they are except the OP can't see the post.

This is precisely what happened with the banned troll.

Even when ignored he would continue to troll.

Thus I was never willing to put anyone on the ignore list.

About the banned member returning part... with proxies it's not that hard. He'll get the boot again as soon as one of the mods decides to check their notifications.

happy said:

you guys act all innocent. You know how jerry feels about his property, yet you write code for his meters, and them shove it in his face. Lol i wrote the book, in case you forgot. You guys have been trying to get him banned forever. You finally run out of ideas, and pull a gangbang on his rep because you know how much he values his rep. You guys stone cold trolled him. Dont act like you didnt, or that it was all his fault.

You guys make me laugh, lmao. Please...

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IT'S NOT HIS PROPERTY AFTER IT IS SOLD.

Happy said:

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Let's see an example?

One where ARG trolled.

One where Trevor trolled.

One where MarioMaster trolled.

This is a forum after all... should be easy to find. Let's see some proof.

I feel like your point has become trying to make us admit we did something when we don't feel that we did... :thinking:

Also, a claim without proof: let's see the proof, as IE has suggested

InfinitusEquitas said:

Let's see an example?

One where ARG trolled.

One where Trevor trolled.

One where MarioMaster trolled.

This is a forum after all... should be easy to find. Let's see some proof.

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If you need examples of Jerry trolling I've got plenty

Edit:
I'll beat TJ to this one, he has said this was trolling in the past, but I still think it's an issue that needs to be resolved. Posting copy & pasted messages to spam the forum with a signature full of ads is wrong. Plus I still see new guys posting canned messages to get their post count up for the B/S/T section.

No proof=no point. Sorry

Is what is currently going on trolling? ehh maybe.

Have I ever trolled Jerry directly? Yeah, my avatar is me poking fun at him.


Replying to and debunking his bullshit claims that try to put down people simply for offering a competing product? If you call that trolling then we see very differently.