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NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

Viable theory or bunk?

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

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 Originally Posted by Alaskan Viable theory or bunk? NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri in Two Weeks :
Very much viable theory. Didn't you read about that EM drive they've been testing? Here was one article: New Test Suggests NASA's "Impossible" EM Drive Will Work In Space
After early testing they made an improvement to the design with a dielectric material inside the microwave resonance chamber if I remember correctly. They took measurements inside the chamber with lasers and measured the lasers as traveling faster than light. I read an article talking about this but now I can't find it or I would link to it. The explanation was that it was creating a warp field compressing the space in front and expanding it in back. It uses no fuel and has no exhaust and yet it creates thrust with only electricity. To build spacecraft using it, they will have to develope nuclear reactors similar to what we use on submarines and ships that will work in space. As is it won't take us to the stars but it will give us the solar system, but it's the beginning of something greater if the human race survives long enough.

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

I believe this is completely possible, however the only thing which may hold this from becoming the technology of the future is the cost. While this may help us explore space at a much quicker rate, if it isn't cheap most people won't feel the need to support it.

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

Pi, after posting this I found another video about the microwave or EM drive and was impressed, maybe minute, but it all has to start somewhere. Lends credence to the possibility of other intelligent life being able to traverse the vastness of space to reach places or distances once thought impossible.
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Divergence Calculator: http://www.pseudonomen.com/lasers/ca...alculator.html - Measure your lasers beamwidth at 1 foot & then at a further distance to calculate the divergence.

Online calculator to determine spot intensity at different mRad's & powers @ distances: http://tinyurl.com/divergence-calculator

Laser Power Density Calculator: http://www.ophiropt.com/laser-measur...ity-calculator

How to build a laser beam expander to reduce divergence: http://tinyurl.com/BeamExpander

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

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 Originally Posted by Tha Greenlander I believe this is completely possible, however the only thing which may hold this from becoming the technology of the future is the cost. While this may help us explore space at a much quicker rate, if it isn't cheap most people won't feel the need to support it. Thanks for sharing! -Alex
I doubt that very much. How large a population can earth permanently support? Certainly not an unlimited number. There is also the possibility of an ELE such as an asteroid or commit or a massive CME etc. You also may not be aware of the fact that the earths magnetic field is steadily decreasing, if it continues at the present rate it will be gone completely in 1000 years, this protects us from the solar wind, as it drops off near nothing the atmosphere will begin bleeding away into space, this may be what happened to Mars. It is very possible that the earth will be incapable of supporting life in as little as 1000 years, although I would expect us humans to cause such a problem long before nature does. The sooner we start colonizing space, the sooner we can be sure of survival of the human race.

Let's get the hell outta here!

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

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 Originally Posted by Pi R Squared I doubt that very much. How large a population can earth permanently support? Certainly not an unlimited number. There is also the possibility of an ELE such as an asteroid or commit or a massive CME etc. You also may not be aware of the fact that the earths magnetic field is steadily decreasing, if it continues at the present rate it will be gone completely in 1000 years, this protects us from the solar wind, as it drops off near nothing the atmosphere will begin bleeding away into space, this may be what happened to Mars. It is very possible that the earth will be incapable of supporting life in as little as 1000 years, although I would expect us humans to cause such a problem long before nature does. The sooner we start colonizing space, the sooner we can be sure of survival of the human race. Let's get the hell outta here! Alan
Haha. I remember watching a documentary about the human population & overpopulation, if I remember correctly 12 billion people was the MAX planet Earth could support and right now(at 7 billion) we are using up the resources of 1 & 1/2 Earths! Fortunately, some scientists said the human population may stabilize at 9 billion then slowly decrease but who knows in today's day & age.

Even if we find ways to cheap technology & vessels, colonizing space & making planets able to support life(if needed) is still a costly process in the present

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

If we can find a way to make an anti-gravity machine and then a warp drive, I think the price for space exploration will become fairly cheap, considering what it costs now, nearly impossible to do much at all without extreme costs.
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Divergence to spot size calculator: http://tinyurl.com/spotsize - 1 mRad is about .057 degrees which from the earth would expand to be ~10% the diameters of the moon or sun at their distances.

Divergence Calculator: http://www.pseudonomen.com/lasers/ca...alculator.html - Measure your lasers beamwidth at 1 foot & then at a further distance to calculate the divergence.

Online calculator to determine spot intensity at different mRad's & powers @ distances: http://tinyurl.com/divergence-calculator

Laser Power Density Calculator: http://www.ophiropt.com/laser-measur...ity-calculator

How to build a laser beam expander to reduce divergence: http://tinyurl.com/BeamExpander

RHD's Relative Perceived Brightness Calculator. Compare brightness @nm: http://lsrtools.1apps.com/relativebrightness

YAG Power Calculator, i.e. convert ns @ mJ to peak power in watts http://tinyurl.com/YAG-Pulse

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

Very interesting....very interesting indeed !! But....least we not forget the rather untimely destruction of the universe in the famous SciFi movie===>
" Slaughter House Five"...circa 1972....likely B4 many of you were born....in which a Tralfamadorian Test pilot manages to destroy the entire Universe while testing out a new propulsion system....presses the engine start button....and the entire universe just "Blink's "out of existence !!

As a species....we will continue to push outward....for I think....we are just hardwired that way !!
Of course....this assumes we do not crap in our own bath water too much....and regress !!!...or worse complete mass extinction !!!
The total loss of the Van Allen belt would sure head us in that direction !!!!

I say....for all our....er....scientific advancements....we are still just like children in understanding the true nature of reality and the universe.

Fast forward ahead 10,000 years....we will have hit the " knee " of knowledge growth....and again....only the laws of nature will be the true boundry walls !!....well....that ...and \$\$\$....and the dark side's of human nature !!

Yikes !!! We do live in exciting times !!!
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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

Oh....see you here this link !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five_(film)

This is a classic SciFi movie !!!!

OH...and yes....the " Firebombing" of Dresden was for real....Just WOW !!!
...a very dark footnote in history...indeed !!!

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

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 Originally Posted by CDBEAM777 Oh....see you here this link !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five_(film) This is a classic SciFi movie !!!! OH...and yes....the " Firebombing" of Dresden was for real....Just WOW !!! ...a very dark footnote in history...indeed !!!
I didn't see the movie, but the book was good.

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

Easy just find a way to mount and manipulate a small black hole in front of a ship and a white hole behind one. Away you go.

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

I have read about that too some days ago, still not a warp drive but its impressive, thers so much new stuff going on these days and its happening faster the longer we wait.

And there are new possibilities found, to kill all humans, every day.
If i remember right , i read that if the LHC was as big as earth it would be possible to destroy the whole universe, or in other words it just has to use as much energy to do so.
Dont have the link to the article anymore, tho so im not completely sure if its exactly what was stated.
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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

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 Originally Posted by Robert S i read that if the LHC was as big as earth it would be possible to destroy the whole universe, or in other words it just has to use as much energy to do so. Dont have the link to the article anymore, tho so im not completely sure if its exactly what was stated.
IDK where you read that but its not correct. damn you internet and your misinformation! but that cant hardly be true. and how would it destroy the universe? the worst i could see it doing would make a black hole, and it takes massive amounts of energy to make one that lasts (like particle accelerators the size of galaxies according to michio kaku, from his book "physics of the impossible")
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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

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 Originally Posted by Robert S I have read about that too some days ago, still not a warp drive but its impressive, thers so much new stuff going on these days and its happening faster the longer we wait. And there are new possibilities found, to kill all humans, every day. If i remember right , i read that if the LHC was as big as earth it would be possible to destroy the whole universe, or in other words it just has to use as much energy to do so. Dont have the link to the article anymore, tho so im not completely sure if its exactly what was stated.
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 Originally Posted by micheal rosen IDK where you read that but its not correct. damn you internet and your misinformation! but that cant hardly be true. and how would it destroy the universe? the worst i could see it doing would make a black hole, and it takes massive amounts of energy to make one that lasts (like particle accelerators the size of galaxies according to michio kaku, from his book "physics of the impossible")
You don't know that miniature black holes don't last, that's just an unproven idea.

The LHC may also have already made strangelets and released them into the earth. There is disagreement on weather strangelets will change to normal matter or if they will interact with normal matter changing it into more strange matter, it is theoretically possible that the destruction of the earth is already in progress and can't be prevented.

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Re: NASA Warp Drive Project - "Speeds" that Could Take a Spacecraft to Alpha Centauri

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 Originally Posted by Pi R Squared The LHC may also have already made strangelets and released them into the earth. There is disagreement on weather strangelets will change to normal matter or if they will interact with normal matter changing it into more strange matter, it is theoretically possible that the destruction of the earth is already in progress and can't be prevented. Alan
i dont think so. there are high energy reactions occurring in the atmosphere of earth and every other planet from cosmic rays with energies MUCH much higher than the energy any particle accelerator could create so far, and this has been going on for a really long time. by now, earth would be a strange star if that were the case. however you are correct: Hawking radiation is only a theory as of now.
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