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I have noticed that my argumentative nature tends to get me into enough trouble that I never get a good reputation on forums but I also notice that I admit my errors when I'm wrong frequently enough to prevent being banned though I'm getting better at ending trouble before it starts. I would like to point out Morgan that ,though it may not be your intention , your most recent post was neither helpful nor on topic with this thread and it seemed to come from anger alone. It is because of this that it could quickly become ,if it's not already, a flame war that if continued might get both of us in trouble.

At any rate, back to the topic on hand.
I would just like to state that Morgan posted that only to try to help you. Many people with a similar attitude to yours come through here and most don't make it. Don't mistake it for anger, because it is only friendly advice.

Most would not take the time to try and help you.


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I believe in what can be proven and observed.

I believe that everything in the universe happens as a result of a previous occurrence, so by extension our universe has a unique end, there are no parallel universes branching off of ours by the prospect of a decision. Life is not proof of a creator. The Earth was not put at the correct distance from the sun for life to begin, life began because the Earth happened to be in the right spot. Nor are the cosmological constants of the universe fine tuned by a creator. This particular universe has it's characteristics, other universes in the multiverse may be different.

I believe that there is only the illusion of spontaneity. We make decisions today based on what happened to us yesterday. There are no random occurrences, and God does not play dice. That does imply the idea of a destiny.

I believe that a complete theory of everything, written in the language of mathematics, does exist.

I do not believe in any supreme being or creator, however comforting the idea may be. We are but a tiny spec in the universe, a grain of sand in an ocean, it would be arrogant of us to suggest that our speck of an existence has all the answers.

But I do believe that religion brings happiness to billions of people, and whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter.

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2nd post in this thread . . .

Is there a Politics forum? heh

I believe in the Sun . . .

Well I'm just gonna quote some George Carlin . . .

"Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being."

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion."

unless the G1 Arctics shipped 3 days ago . ..

"And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper."

"Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word."

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I believe in what can be proven and observed.
Me Too, but i know that also exists things that we can't (yet) observe .....

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..... and God does not play dice .....
God not just play dices, he also cheat a lot

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But I do believe that religion brings happiness to billions of people, and whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter
Someone said that religions are the drug of the peoples, and drugs make peoples feels happy, so i suppose this can have a sense, someway .....




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Is there a Politics forum? heh
No, the forum is still working, and peoples are still talking one with the other, so it's mathematically impossible that this is a political forum .....

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I believe in the Sun . . .
Take care of it ..... you don't imagine how much Osram may ask you for a replacement bulb, if you burn it .....

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"Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word."
..... just wait for when God present you your "sun electricity bill" at the end of your life, asking you if you prefer to pay, or to be used as "combustible" for the rest of the eternity, for generate electricity in the "hell thermoelectric plant" .....





LOL, sorry, i'm in bad mood today, just trying to laugh a bit ..... nothing serious and no offense intended, ok ?
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lol himnl9 . . .

'God not just play dices, he also cheat a lot'

brilliant . . .

be happy please . . . you make me laugh . . .

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Do you know ..... some "predicators" have also a different "explanation" for the fossils .....

They say that God, intentionally, placed them there, making them intentionally more old and "measurables" than the "official" biblical age of the world, right for test the faith of the man ..... if the man, against all the "false proofs" of the ages of those fossils, still believe the "official" biblical story, then this means that their faith is good, and they go in paradise, where instead all those that trust in the "false proofs" of science, don't have enough faith and go to hell .....

Perfectly logic, isn't ? .....

Their god must be awfully bored and insecure

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Not to insult anyone's beliefs or anything, just stating my own views.

I think that it is absurd that the majority of the world believes in a diety. That our leaders in every area, believe in a diety. That people talk to this diety and think its helping their lives. I could describe religion acurately and give you the impression of a mental hospital patient.

Gods were used to explain the unkown, like the weather. We don't need them to explain the world around us anymore. There are still a LOT of unanswered questions but it's absurd to think a god has any more to do with them than he/she did with things for which we've already found explanations.

For example, I have no idea what the point of life is. Not what is the meaning of life. And not life as in like, our lives. I mean life in general. All life. From Viruses to Trees to People to moss to Bacteria to Birds. And I don't think I'll ever know, I'm not sure that the human race will ever know, but I don't think we need to turn to hocus pokus religion to try and understand it.

That's what makes me an atheist not an agnostic. I'll leave why I'm very against organized religion to another day.
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Not to insult anyone's beliefs or anything, just stating my own views.

I think that it is absurd that the majority of the world believes in a diety. That our leaders in every area, believe in a diety. That people talk to this diety and think its helping their lives. I could describe religion acurately and give you the impression of a mental hospital patient.

Gods were used to explain the unkown, like the weather. We don't need them to explain the world around us anymore. There are still a LOT of unanswered questions but it's absurd to think a god has any more to do with them than he/she did with things for which we've already found explanations.

For example, I have no idea what the point of life is. Not what is the meaning of life. And not life as in like, our lives. I mean life in general. All life. From Viruses to Trees to People to moss to Bacteria to Birds. And I don't think I'll ever know, I'm not sure that the human race will ever know, but I don't think we need to turn to hocus pokus religion to try and understand it.

That's what makes me an atheist not an agnostic. I'll leave why I'm very against organized religion to another day.
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Not to insult anyone's beliefs or anything, just stating my own views.

I think that it is absurd that the majority of the world believes in a diety. That our leaders in every area, believe in a diety. That people talk to this diety and think its helping their lives. I could describe religion acurately and give you the impression of a mental hospital patient.

Gods were used to explain the unkown, like the weather. We don't need them to explain the world around us anymore. There are still a LOT of unanswered questions but it's absurd to think a god has any more to do with them than he/she did with things for which we've already found explanations.

For example, I have no idea what the point of life is. Not what is the meaning of life. And not life as in like, our lives. I mean life in general. All life. From Viruses to Trees to People to moss to Bacteria to Birds. And I don't think I'll ever know, I'm not sure that the human race will ever know, but I don't think we need to turn to hocus pokus religion to try and understand it.

That's what makes me an atheist not an agnostic. I'll leave why I'm very against organized religion to another day.
This is the first time I've had to call someone on LPF an idiot.

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Keep in mind that Jesus wasn't a big fan of religious people either. They freaking flogged him, and nailed him to a cross.

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This is the first time I've had to call someone on LPF an idiot.

You Idiot.

Religion is MAN trying to better HIMSELF. MAN trying to save HIMSELF. It's obvious you don't even know anything about this country's most widely believed in faith.

Keep in mind that Jesus wasn't a big fan of religious people either. They freaking flogged him, and nailed him to a cross.

And no, virus's are not considered to be life forms.
It might be wise to explain *why*, and *what evidence* you have for believing and feeling what you do, rather than just stating it. Doing so makes debating it much easier.
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I won't be debating this. Debates are no way to discuss "religion" or faith. I'll give you this though, if you look at the world religions, only one stands apart from all the others. How that ONE stands apart from the others is where the focus is, which not about man improving himself, and is not about man trying to save himself. It's the opposite, its the humbling experience of "Hey, I've messed up, and I'm no better than the world's most ruthless murderer because of it". Its saying, "I can't save myself, I don't have the power to say that I'm a "good" person and I never will".

Its where you take a step back, make a 180 degree turn away from your past, and try to change who is "God" in your life. I wake every day and have to make this decision:

Who am I about today? Who am I going to live for today? Am I going to live for Tyler? Or am I going to live for the one who is bigger than Tyler, the perfect, blameless one who made Tyler?

It's a daily struggle. As a Christian, it's NOT about what you do, how you act in your lifetime, NOT about what foods you eat, or how much time you spend doing "good things".

This thread was made so people can share this bit about themselves. For me though, its frustrating to see people make false presumptions about Christianity by trying to throw it in the "religion" pile. If you are INFORMED about this faith, you would NOT be calling it religious "pish posh".

And I'll quote Steve from Sam's Laser Faq: (LASERFAQ):

And as I told a Gentleman who called me a "god" on the phone the other night, I'm human, and I believe in God with a big G, the origin of the term, so I cannot be a god when I believe in God and try to be humble before him. I have had problems with the humble thing lately, gotta work on that.

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I think that it is absurd that the majority of the world believes in a diety. That our leaders in every area, believe in a diety. That people talk to this diety and think its helping their lives. I could describe religion acurately and give you the impression of a mental hospital patient.

Gods were used to explain the unkown, like the weather. We don't need them to explain the world around us anymore. There are still a LOT of unanswered questions but it's absurd to think a god has any more to do with them than he/she did with things for which we've already found explanations.

For example, I have no idea what the point of life is. Not what is the meaning of life. And not life as in like, our lives. I mean life in general. All life. From Viruses to Trees to People to moss to Bacteria to Birds. And I don't think I'll ever know, I'm not sure that the human race will ever know, but I don't think we need to turn to hocus pokus religion to try and understand it.

That's what makes me an atheist not an agnostic. I'll leave why I'm very against organized religion to another day.
You think logically, and that is a good thing.

However, you make it sound like a bad thing. If you dwell on the facts written in the bible then of course a logical person will have difficulty believing them.

But that is not the point. I agree with Meatball about the idea that religion is used to guide one's actions in a positive direction. You can over look the claims, that's fine, I do too, but accept the virtues and standbys that it asks of people. It's a basis of how to live a good life with good virtues.

Personally, I'm not religious, and I can't accept all the claims of the bible and ignore science and just chalk it up to faith. But I acknowledge that the overall meaning is has noting to do with contradictions of science.

It's not a crime to want to believe in something to answer unanswerable questions. What happens to you when you die? Science will never be able to answer that.

The top two things that make people happy in the world are...

can you guess em? No money is not one of them.

It's marriage and religion. And marriage is a religious institution. Although most wars in history were over religion so go figure.

Here is a quote from Carl Sagan that I like:
"It is better to accept the universe for the way it is, however unsettling, than to persist in delusion."

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I would just like to state that Morgan posted that only to try to help you. Many people with a similar attitude to yours come through here and most don't make it. Don't mistake it for anger, because it is only friendly advice.



Most would not take the time to try and help you.

Thanks Pontiac.

I sent a PM last night and he returned one. Pretty polite and acknowledged that I had helped. I returned another after requests on how to address any disruptive behaviour and suggested read more, post less and a few other guidelines. If he turns out to be a troll, (and it's just too early to rule this out), then he'll end up the same as any other troll; GONE! If not then maybe he'll be able to contribute usefully and settle in. I'm hoping for the latter but we wait and see. He hasn't been conspicuous today anyway.

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I believe in what can be proven and observed.

1.I believe that everything in the universe happens as a result of a previous occurrence, so by extension our universe has a unique end, there are no parallel universes branching off of ours by the prospect of a decision. Life is not proof of a creator. The Earth was not put at the correct distance from the sun for life to begin, life began because the Earth happened to be in the right spot. Nor are the cosmological constants of the universe fine tuned by a creator. This particular universe has it's characteristics, other universes in the multiverse may be different.

2.I believe that there is only the illusion of spontaneity. We make decisions today based on what happened to us yesterday. There are no random occurrences, and God does not play dice. That does imply the idea of a destiny.

3.I believe that a complete theory of everything, written in the language of mathematics, does exist.

4.I do not believe in any supreme being or creator, however comforting the idea may be. We are but a tiny spec in the universe, a grain of sand in an ocean, it would be arrogant of us to suggest that our speck of an existence has all the answers.

5.But I do believe that religion brings happiness to billions of people, and whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter.
1. Erm... I'll let wikipedia take this one. Uncertainty principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In case you're confused, it basically means that even if you know absolutely everything about the past and present you still can't tell the future. The future IS RANDOM.

2.Entropy forces time to go in one direction, and Einstein was proven wrong on this quite a while back... god DOES play dice.

There's the picture of god's dice.

3.We're still working very hard to figure that out

4.Agreed... if there is a god, it sure as hell doesn't care about us at all (unless we're the main subject of its simulation/experiment).

5.Religion has resulted in the murder and torture of millions of people... not to mention caused ridiculous amounts of poverty and slowed human progress, and now it's causing overpopulation... It's not making me very happy.

Anyway, I certainly agree with your morals in this post, just not your science

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You think logically, and that is a good thing.

However, you make it sound like a bad thing. If you dwell on the facts written in the bible then of course a logical person will have difficulty believing them.

1.But that is not the point. I agree with Meatball about the idea that religion is used to guide one's actions in a positive direction. You can over look the claims, that's fine, I do too, but accept the virtues and standbys that it asks of people. It's a basis of how to live a good life with good virtues.

2.It's not a crime to want to believe in something to answer unanswerable questions. What happens to you when you die? Science will never be able to answer that.

3.The top two things that make people happy in the world are...

can you guess em? No money is not one of them.

It's marriage and religion. And marriage is a religious institution. Although most wars in history were over religion so go figure.

4.Here is a quote from Carl Sagan that I like:
"It is better to accept the universe for the way it is, however unsettling, than to persist in delusion."

-Tony
1.WHAT? Religion results in millions of lynchings and lots of war... any "good" morals come from being raised correctly.

2.We rot in the ground... science has no reason to assume otherwise. We are not special, we are advanced self-sustaining chemical reactions.

3.WHAAAT? Like half of marriages end in divorce and many polls suggest a large number of couple wish they had never married. On top of that, religion doesn't make all that many people happy.... the things that result in the biggest increase of dopamine are fatty foods, ***, and (in the short term), drugs. Not to say the first and last are good things, of course

4.Exactly... religion does not follow this quote. Accept the universe, don't try and make it better with god.

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i think the uncertainty principle is usually interpeted as that we cannot measure anything without affecting it. i dont think that means things dont actually have an accurate position etc.

interesting idea though. this is the first time anyone else has suggested or even understood the idea that everything, even apparent spontaneous thought, is but an inevitable result from a previous action that was itself inevitable, nevermind come up with a counter theory to it
i often say, if we knew the exact big bang conditions and had an infinitely powerful computer, we could predict everything (as an ideal situation- the problems there would be the prediction affecting events etc). no one I know seems to quite understand where im coming from.
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i think the uncertainty principle is usually interpeted as that we cannot measure anything without affecting it. i dont think that means things dont actually have an accurate position etc.

interesting idea though. this is the first time anyone else has suggested or even understood the idea that everything, even apparent spontaneous thought, is but an inevitable result from a previous action that was itself inevitable, nevermind come up with a counter theory to it
Part of the uncertainty principle is that no matter the initial conditions the results are unpredictable. The quantum world is random. Perhaps that equation does not describe that, but it's part of the principle.
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