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The biblical answer for all the fossils when the earth is 6-8000 years old is the great flood that covered the earth. The funny thing I find about evolution's claims that these fossils are millions of years old is strongly refuted by the fact that a few of these "fossils" still have flesh on them. Another fact that disputes evolution is that there is a place where "millions" if not "billions" of years worth of of rock layers formed neatly around and partly buried still living trees. (I need to find the pic because it's hard to believe without one)


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The biblical answer for all the fossils when the earth is 6-8000 years old is the great flood that covered the earth. The funny thing I find about evolution's claims that these fossils are millions of years old is strongly refuted by the fact that a few of these "fossils" still have flesh on them. Another fact that disputes evolution is that there is a place where "millions" if not "billions" of years worth of of rock layers formed neatly around and partly buried still living trees. (I need to find the pic because it's hard to believe without one)


The processes of petrification, erosion, tectonic movement, and anaerobic preservation are very well understood (except apparently by yourself and whomever fed you this load of crap).

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The biblical answer for all the fossils when the earth is 6-8000 years old is the great flood that covered the earth. The funny thing I find about evolution's claims that these fossils are millions of years old is strongly refuted by the fact that a few of these "fossils" still have flesh on them. Another fact that disputes evolution is that there is a place where "millions" if not "billions" of years worth of of rock layers formed neatly around and partly buried still living trees. (I need to find the pic because it's hard to believe without one)
I'm going to be less delicate than Dave.

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The funniest thing is that you say evolution "claims" stuff.

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The biblical answer for all the fossils when the earth is 6-8000 years old is the great flood that covered the earth. The funny thing I find about evolution's claims that these fossils are millions of years old is strongly refuted by the fact that a few of these "fossils" still have flesh on them. Another fact that disputes evolution is that there is a place where "millions" if not "billions" of years worth of of rock layers formed neatly around and partly buried still living trees. (I need to find the pic because it's hard to believe without one)
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Ever heard of mineralization? I guess not... Also, trees DIG DOWN. That's why they're millions of years deep. Also the whole flood idea is clearly 100% bullsh!t. There are so many problems with the idea, I already said a few.
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The biblical answer for all the fossils when the earth is 6-8000 years old is the great flood that covered the earth. The funny thing I find about evolution's claims that these fossils are millions of years old is strongly refuted by the fact that a few of these "fossils" still have flesh on them. Another fact that disputes evolution is that there is a place where "millions" if not "billions" of years worth of of rock layers formed neatly around and partly buried still living trees. (I need to find the pic because it's hard to believe without one)
Trees growing in rock are hardly rare. It's often, though hardly limited to extrusive igneous rock. (read solidified lava) Gas pockets in the rock leave cavities. These gas vents are also where you often find good crystals and minerals. A commonly used tactic when hunting for topaz down in the thomas range here in utah is to dig out any small trees or large shrubs you see growing right out of the rock. As they have to have a large cavity underneath. Once excavated you can usually pull out a large number of well above average topaz crystals. It's a lot of work, which is why no sane person tries this with a full sized juniper tree there.

Of course, by your suggestion, the lava rock was magically deposited by a flood. Which somehow didn't kill the tree, even though the tree would have then been under 3 miles of water (at least) and suffering from drowning, total lack of light, and enduring greater pressure then the bottom of the abyssal plain. Or perhaps the lava simply was erupted out of a volcano, and the tree simply decided it didn't feel like burning...
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Of course, by your suggestion, the lava rock was magically deposited by a flood. Which somehow didn't kill the tree, even though the tree would have then been under 3 miles of water (at least) and suffering from drowning, total lack of light, and enduring greater pressure then the bottom of the abyssal plain. Or perhaps the lava simply was erupted out of a volcano, and the tree simply decided it didn't feel like burning...
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Do you know ..... some "predicators" have also a different "explanation" for the fossils .....

They say that God, intentionally, placed them there, making them intentionally more old and "measurables" than the "official" biblical age of the world, right for test the faith of the man ..... if the man, against all the "false proofs" of the ages of those fossils, still believe the "official" biblical story, then this means that their faith is good, and they go in paradise, where instead all those that trust in the "false proofs" of science, don't have enough faith and go to hell .....

Perfectly logic, isn't ? .....
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NO ONE USES CARBON DATING ANYMORE. We use radiometric dating
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True- however, carbon dating uses only carbon isotopes while newer radiometric dating uses many various isotopes and some math with half-lifes.
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carbon dating is at least quite accurate to a scale of thousands of years, so it would rule out anything as young as that
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Both radiocarbon dating and radiometric dating use the same priniciples (an isotopes half-life [time it takes radioactive isotopes to decay to 1/2 the original amount]) to accurately calculate the age of a material. These decay rates are constant for certain atoms and ages are accurately calculated by comparing the proportion of an isotope present to it's known decay rate.
Carbon-14's half-life is about 5,700 years, the Uranium-lead (1) (U-235 to Pb-207) half-life is about 700 million years, and the Uranium-lead (2) (U-238 to Pb-206) half-life is about 4.5 billion years.
To clear up the difference:
Radiocarbon dating is used for accurately calculating the age of organics (trees, animal remains, etc...) with a maximum limit of ~60,000 years. [younger]
Radiometric dating is perfomed on various radioactive isotopes to accurately calculate the age of rocks and fossils. [older]
The following are a few common radiometric dating techniques and their limits:
Uranium-Thorium : max limit ~ 200,000 years
Samarium-neodymium : max limit ~ 106 billion years
Potassium-argon : minimum limit ~ 250,000 years - max limit ~ 4 billion years

But, this is all beside the point: The church will never accept any "scientific proof" if it goes against what their "book" says. I don't see why they can't compromise...

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You know what they say, opiate of the masses. The sheep need religion or soma.
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Trees growing in rock are hardly rare. It's often, though hardly limited to extrusive igneous rock. (read solidified lava) Gas pockets in the rock leave cavities. These gas vents are also where you often find good crystals and minerals. A commonly used tactic when hunting for topaz down in the thomas range here in utah is to dig out any small trees or large shrubs you see growing right out of the rock. As they have to have a large cavity underneath. Once excavated you can usually pull out a large number of well above average topaz crystals. It's a lot of work, which is why no sane person tries this with a full sized juniper tree there.

Of course, by your suggestion, the lava rock was magically deposited by a flood. Which somehow didn't kill the tree, even though the tree would have then been under 3 miles of water (at least) and suffering from drowning, total lack of light, and enduring greater pressure then the bottom of the abyssal plain. Or perhaps the lava simply was erupted out of a volcano, and the tree simply decided it didn't feel like burning...
In this case it was a smaller flood or floods that deposited many layers of mud which solidified into more than 20 feet of rock within the lifetime of the trees in the area. The significance of this is that the method of dating a rock layer by it's thickness is highly inaccurate because the rate at which rock is formed directly relates to the conditions of the area in which the rock was formed.
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In this case it was a smaller flood or floods that deposited many layers of mud which solidified into more than 20 feet of rock within the lifetime of the trees in the area. The significance of this is that the method of dating a rock layer by it's thickness is highly inaccurate because the rate at which rock is formed directly relates to the conditions of the area in which the rock was formed.
No respectable geologist (or scientist) would judge a rock's age by the thickness of it's lavers. Perhaps a Christian Scientist, but not any "qualified scientist".
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Both radiocarbon dating and radiometric dating use the same priniciples (an isotopes half-life [time it takes radioactive isotopes to decay to 1/2 the original amount]) to accurately calculate the age of a material. These decay rates are constant for certain atoms and ages are accurately calculated by comparing the proportion of an isotope present to it's known decay rate.
Carbon-14's half-life is about 5,700 years, the Uranium-lead (1) (U-235 to Pb-207) half-life is about 700 million years, and the Uranium-lead (2) (U-238 to Pb-206) half-life is about 4.5 billion years.
To clear up the difference:
Radiocarbon dating is used for accurately calculating the age of organics (trees, animal remains, etc...) with a maximum limit of ~60,000 years. [younger]
Radiometric dating is perfomed on various radioactive isotopes to accurately calculate the age of rocks and fossils. [older]
The following are a few common radiometric dating techniques and their limits:
Uranium-Thorium : max limit ~ 200,000 years
Samarium-neodymium : max limit ~ 106 billion years
Potassium-argon : minimum limit ~ 250,000 years - max limit ~ 4 billion years

But, this is all beside the point: The church will never accept any "scientific proof" if it goes against what their "book" says. I don't see why they can't compromise...

Oh that's right:

Again a method of dating that can easily become skewed If the specimen is subjected to higher radiation levels or a larger quantity of the element you're testing for than would be normally found. A good example of this is a coal miner who died in the 1920's due to an incident in the mine. When his remains were tested for carbon 214 it registered that he was billions of years old. Likewise any testing that isn't based subjectively upon the quantitative analysis of the abundance of the element being tested for in the area the specimen was found will inevitability be skewed. Further more it is easy for a united states citizen to buy small quantities of carbon 214 and dope the specimen with enough radioactive material to intentionally skew the results. As such all tests that are not done by independent studies have a chance of having fabricated results and thus should not be taken without a grain of salt.
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