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I challenge anyone to find me just one contradiction in the bible. I can guarantee that any 'contradiction' you may think you find is due to a lack of understanding and / or a misinterpretation.
I thought the bible said that the earth was around 6,000 years old.
If that is true... Please explain how we have fossils that are millions of years old preserved in rock all over the world.


What are scientists misinterpreting?


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I thought the bible said that the earth was around 6,000 years old.
If that is true... Please explain how we have fossils that are millions of years old preserved in rock all over the world.


What are scientists misinterpreting?
That's easy -- We are "measuring" instead of "believing."

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We are measuring AND believing, as opposed to JUST believing.
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Oh, right. I forgot that scientists like to base their conclusions on actual facts.
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Oh, right. I forgot that scientists like to base their conclusions on actual facts.
Wait, what? What's with the angry face? You just described a scientist perfectly...
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Wait, what? What's with the angry face? You just described a scientist perfectly...
<-- implying a response; "No, we are dealing with The Bible here, not facts."
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I thought the bible said that the earth was around 6,000 years old.
If that is true... Please explain how we have fossils that are millions of years old preserved in rock all over the world.


What are scientists misinterpreting?
If you would like to delve into the whole evolution and flawed carbon dating aspect, we can do that. But before we do that, let me ask you two questions.

Assuming you believe in evolution which I would guess you do because the chart you posted makes reference to "evolution of humans", then 1) why have humans supposedly evolved with perfect symmetry? If we originated from a single celled organism millions of years ago and slowly evolved, what would be the reason why our body's are in perfect symmetry? Animals too for that matter. If we randomly came together why wouldn't any external part or limb grow in a random spot on the body?

Secondly, if there has been thousands even millions of years for humans to evolve from other hominids, then why don't archaeologists find all sorts of skeletal remains from Homo sapiens Neanderthals buried around the earth? If they have been here for so many thousands of years in time to slowly evolve into what we are today, shouldn't there be a mass of bones left behind to find? Instead archaeologists find typical skeletal remains scattered about the earth, and primates, and animals and what not, but not the masses of bones resembling something between say an ape and a human which should have been found by now...figure that one out.
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If you would like to delve into the whole evolution and flawed carbon dating aspect, we can do that. But before we do that, let me ask you two questions.

Assuming you believe in evolution which I would guess you do because the chart you posted makes reference to "evolution of humans", then 1) why have humans supposedly evolved with perfect symmetry? If we originated from a single celled organism millions of years ago and slowly evolved, what would be the reason why our body's are in perfect symmetry? Animals too for that matter. If we randomly came together why wouldn't any external part or limb grow in a random spot on the body?

Secondly, if there has been thousands even millions of years for humans to evolve from other hominids, then why don't archaeologists find all sorts of skeletal remains from Homo sapiens Neanderthals buried around the earth? If they have been here for so many thousands of years in time to slowly evolve into what we are today, shouldn't there be a mass of bones left behind to find? Instead archaeologists find typical skeletal remains scattered about the earth, and primates, and animals and what not, but not the masses of bones resembling something between say an ape and a human which should have been found by now...figure that one out.
LOL, ok science time. First:carbon dating is flawed, but NO ONE USES CARBON DATING ANYMORE. We use radiometric dating, mathematically flawless plus or minus a few years. There's really no way to tamper or make mistakes with it.

Second:Your primary mistake is that we're not symmetrical in two or three dimensions, only one... and it's pretty clear why, some reasons include better balance and ability to have a backup limb/organ if one fails or gets hit by a laser/saber tooth tiger. Evolution is not random, and if you think evolutionists say it is you need to do some more reading.

Third:where the hell are you getting this data? We can accurately track the archeological remains of humanity from the first african cave dwellers to the native americans... And humans were very scarce 3 millions years ago, there were probably only a couple hundred of them and then the receding oceans killed a bunch as well. And FYI homo sapiens and neanderthals are different species.
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Secondly, if there has been thousands even millions of years for humans to evolve from other hominids, then why don't archaeologists find all sorts of skeletal remains from Homo sapiens Neanderthals buried around the earth? If they have been here for so many thousands of years in time to slowly evolve into what we are today, shouldn't there be a mass of bones left behind to find? Instead archaeologists find typical skeletal remains scattered about the earth, and primates, and animals and what not, but not the masses of bones resembling something between say an ape and a human which should have been found by now...figure that one out.
There are quite a few human ancestry fossils that are somewhere between ape and human that show traits common to both great apes and humans. (such as Ouranopithecus macedoniensis) As well as later species that are after the seperation between human and great ape lines. As an example the entire genus of Ardipithecus were early human ancestors. Having many chimplike features, such as a braincase close to chimp sizes yet canine teeth that are shortened and small compared to those of apes. Followed by the entire genus of Australopithecus. A single species is so far known of the next genus. Kenyanthropus platyops. Each of these genus and species get's closer and closer. There are others, more recent. such as Paranthropus and final the entire genus of Homo. Which includes us as well as our closest cousins, who were not ancestors, rather they were species that were more like cousins, sharing common close ancestry but nonlinear with our own. There is a multitude of fossils of human ancestry. If you are waiting for a news story saying "missing link found" The very idea of a single "missing link" from humans to apes is creationist nonsense. Evolution changes are gradual, and changes are spread out over millions of years, as these fossils show.

You are simply spouting what you have heard other people say. It's easy to claim there is no evidence of evolution when you have never looked for the evidence. It's also easy to tell others there is no evidence, and as long as they fail to look for themselves and simply believe you, the myth goes on. Ignorance will always be passed from one ignorant person to the next. You might say it is contagious.
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1) why have humans supposedly evolved with perfect symmetry? If we originated from a single celled organism millions of years ago and slowly evolved, what would be the reason why our body's are in perfect symmetry? Animals too for that matter. If we randomly came together why wouldn't any external part or limb grow in a random spot on the body?
Secondly, ... why don't archaeologists find all sorts of skeletal remains from Homo sapiens Neanderthals buried around the earth? ...
Thanks for replying to my question with more questions while not ever actually answering. You sound like a pastor.

Okay. So, if we were created in God's image. Please clarify;
Did he look like this a few thousand (actual: millions of) years ago...
then this... and, now God looks like this:

Did God evolve with us? Or does he still look like Australopithecus?
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symmetry is what gives creatures an evolutionary advantage. look at ppl with natural physical disabilities. there is no way a species could survive being physically disabled.

very ironic, my post count is now at 1400. so to keep symmetry i will post all my posts in this post as an edit.

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I'm a Christian and i've been skimming through some of this thread and it's sad how misinformed so many of you are. Many of your arguments are based off assumptions, and a lack of understanding. I can understand that it's easy to not know why God has done things or what the bible means in certain passages, but the bible certainly does not contradict itself.

I challenge anyone to find me just one contradiction in the bible. I can guarantee that any 'contradiction' you may think you find is due to a lack of understanding and / or a misinterpretation.
Bible says men with long hair must be hated and/or killed.
'Jesus' 'had' long hair.
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Somewhere in the bible it said you shouldn't cut your hair, ever... I think it was the old testament.
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Assuming you believe in evolution which I would guess you do because the chart you posted makes reference to "evolution of humans", then 1) why have humans supposedly evolved with perfect symmetry? If we originated from a single celled organism millions of years ago and slowly evolved, what would be the reason why our body's are in perfect symmetry? Animals too for that matter. If we randomly came together why wouldn't any external part or limb grow in a random spot on the body?
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Use Photoshop on a picture to duplicate one half of a face twice (mirrored over the other half), and you can see that we are *not* symmetrical at all. Why are you (presumably) right-handed and not able to use either one with equal skill and precision? Humans are not symmetrical, and each side of our brain functions differently - the side of the brain that controls behaviours is non-symmetrical, because there is no evolutionary advantage to having perfectly-balanced brain function. We're only (partly) symmetrical about our left-right, because that is the direction of our mobility.

http://tiffsbloggy.com/2008/05/symmetrical-faces/ is one example - notice the difference in the shape and location of the eyes. Normally the brain is not "tuned" to notice these differences.

In the conditions we evolved in, it was an advantage to be able to focus on a target, locate it in 3D space, and pursue it quickly. To work out a 3D place, the easiest way is to have 2 receptors at a known distance, and "triangulate" the object using feedback from both. That is why we have two forward-facing eyes (unlike grazing animals), and two ears. To move rapidly, you need balance and low contact with the ground, so you need a feedback loop, and to have a centre of gravity over a base - if one side was significantly over to one side, then an animal simply wouldn't be stable, and wouldn't be able to hunt or move.

I don't know enough about geology or fossil-hunting to give you a good answer to your second question.

I could go into a lot more of why I don't believe in a literal God as described in the Bible, but it's already been covered in this thread.
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Default Re: LPF's Religion

to answer his second question, we have had "random" things on us. but evolution takes them away... just like they say evolution is taking away our pinky toe.

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