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"a god"(in lower case) is an example the jehovas use in their rewrite of the gospel John. they use the lower case as a way of saying jesus isn't god. but then again i learned this from reading a mix of greek and christian scholars LoL.

so because the little fat boy above say "A GOD" it must mean that he is the son of god LoL


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"a god"(in lower case) is an example the jehovas use in their rewrite of the gospel John. they use the lower case as a way of saying jesus isn't god. but then again i learned this from reading a mix of greek and christian scholars LoL.

so because the little fat boy above say "A GOD" it must mean that he is the son of god LoL
No, i just not paid attention about using lower or uppercases ..... not intentional, here



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I decided to post in this thread because the other day while I was enjoying a lovely picnic with my extended family, a man who looked surprisingly like your stereotypical jesus came and sat down with some friends near us and started talking. I can see why so many people listened to jesus, for some reason that facial hair just invites you to sit and listen to their story. So now we know- Success of Christianity=Jesus' awesome facial hair.

Anyway, just on this last page I'm seeing something that plagues so many "christians". Treating your religion like a buffet line. Pick and chose, pick and choose. "Oh no, slavery is NOT alright and slaughtering the gays is a bad thing, but I'm still a christian." I don't think so. I would have more respect for a religion if its followers actually followed it, but then of course they would be crazy psychopaths who have contradicting views about quite a bit of stuff. And not only do I often think christians are pick-and-choosy about their religion, but some blatantly ignore things that jesus himself said. Jesus told his followers that if they were slapped, they should let the attacker slap the other cheek too. If they were robbed, give the robber whatever else they had. Yet for some reason, demographically speaking, christians are among the biggest opponents of gun control for self defense (NOTE: I AGREE WITH THIS, PLEASE DO NOT FLAME ME. GUN CONTROL=DUMB, I AM JUST MAKING A POINT.) and they are also some of the biggest supporters of the war against the middle east. Again, I'm not saying that I disagree or agree with them, just that they're contradicting themselves. On top of this, jesus made it very clear that religion and government should be separate (something along the lines of "Let a man give to his govmt. what is due to his govmt, and give to his religion what is due to his religion.) yet christians are the hardest pushing to get christianity put in schools and government (again, demographically speaking). So my big problem with religion is the fact that 99% of the time it's phony-baloney, and the other 1% is batshit crazy.
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I have to question your math. I think it's more 99% phony-baloney. and 11% batshit crazy. After all, most of the more faithful types I have known really do give 110%.....

I definitely have to agree on pretty much every point. Christianity, believing directly in the bible, requires the believer to pick and choose. There are blatant self-contradictions in quite a few points throughout it. Not the least of which is the "Kill X" and "thou shalt not kill".... In the end, the god in the old testament seems like a completely different god than the god in the new testament.

Of course, you COULD believe it literally. It simply requires belief in a schizophrenic, sociopathic, heavily prejudiced, vindictive, control freak of a god who created you in his own image..... hmmm. almost makes sense....
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I have to question your math. I think it's more 99% phony-baloney. and 11% batshit crazy. After all, most of the more faithful types I have known really do give 110%.....

I definitely have to agree on pretty much every point. Christianity, believing directly in the bible, requires the believer to pick and choose. There are blatant self-contradictions in quite a few points throughout it. Not the least of which is the "Kill X" and "thou shalt not kill".... In the end, the god in the old testament seems like a completely different god than the god in the new testament.

Of course, you COULD believe it literally. It simply requires belief in a schizophrenic, sociopathic, heavily prejudiced, vindictive, control freak of a god who created you in his own image..... hmmm. almost makes sense....

that couldn't be more wrong... you are supposed to believe whole heartedly with out qustion. Like in the gospel john when Jesus turned the water into wine... the 2 servants didn't question Jesus when he told them what he had done and to serve the "wine" to the head of house.

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Exactly, chip... doing so requires every christian to be schizophrenic. Turn the other cheek, but also burn soddom to the ground
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I'm a Christian and i've been skimming through some of this thread and it's sad how misinformed so many of you are. Many of your arguments are based off assumptions, and a lack of understanding. I can understand that it's easy to not know why God has done things or what the bible means in certain passages, but the bible certainly does not contradict itself.

I challenge anyone to find me just one contradiction in the bible. I can guarantee that any 'contradiction' you may think you find is due to a lack of understanding and / or a misinterpretation.
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I challenge anyone to find me just one contradiction in the bible. I can guarantee that any 'contradiction' you may think you find is due to a lack of understanding and / or a misinterpretation.
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I challenge anyone to find me just one contradiction in the bible. I can guarantee that any 'contradiction' you may think you find is due to a lack of understanding and / or a misinterpretation.
Here's a few:
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.


JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."


Definitely no way to misinterpret those... In the same gospel there is a contradiction!
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how about

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

hmm but then I guess math illiteracy effects 8 out of every 5 people.

how about

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

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"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)


then of course

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)


then of course. to judge or not to judge...

1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:"

1 Cor 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."


then of course one of the biggest....

"thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13)

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"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Exodus 22:17)
"Thus sayeth the LORD God of Israel, "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour".
(Exod 32:27)

too lazy to search them, but there are also kill orders for gays, kill orders for insubordinate women, and quite a few others.....
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Your first example Exodus 15:3 & Romans 15:33 are just one of many times throughout the bible both in OT and NT the bible gives mention of God as a God love and peace. The bible also states that God is a God justice "vengeance is mine says the Lord" Romans 12:9. This is by no means a contradiction, but this is God. Both a God of love who has a love so great he sent his son Jesus to die for you and I. But the same God is also a God that must take deal with the sin on the earth. A righteous god cannot ignore the sin issue, since sin is the rebellion towards God, and the disobedience of his commandments. Yes God is love, and God is just. In the end, there will be the great tribulation, and the great white throne judgement and all whose names are not found in the book of life will be cast in the lake of fire. This is justice. Love is sending his son to die for us. Justice does not contradict love.

Secondly John 10:30 is not referring to the Jesus and the Father being one person, but rather in one mind. This passage specifically is about Jesus and God are committed to the perfect protection and preservation of Jesus' sheep. Sheep being metaphorical referring to the children of God, or those who believe Jesus is Lord. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three in one, the trinity. 1 Timothy 3:5 gives a passage referring to God the Father and the man Christ Jesus and 1 Corinthians 3:16 refers to the Holy Spirit, all exist as three persons, but are one. I would not say this is possible for us as humans to completely warp our minds around and comprehend, as it can be confusing.

Third point about wisdom: Ecclesiastes 1:18 comes from Solomons' conclusion - the expected outcome of wisdom is success which in turn should bring happiness. However Solomon concluded that there were no guarantees which in turn grieves the one who places his hope in human achievement alone. This has nothing to do with the gaining of wisdom as mentioned in Proverbs 4:7. The verse before that one Ecclesiastes 1:17 says "And I set my heart to know wisdom and to know madness and folly, I perceived that this also is grasping for the wind." This means that when Solomon set his heart on finding his own wisdom, instead of seeking divine wisdom from God, he ultimately found it to be an empty experience.

1 Corinthians 1:19 - again this is not the wisdom the bible says we should seek, but this is speaking of the wisdom of man, not God's wisdom. Two different wisdoms. This verse is also speaking of what is yet to come in the last days specifically Revelation 17:14 speaking of the battle of Armageddon when the kings will be utterly destroyed and with them all of human wisdom which is not given of God.

On a side note, I wish to keep this 'debate' going, so please don't turn this into a flame thread, but keep it mature. I don't want to see posts get deleted or this thread get locked.
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lol. kind of funny. still looking forward to an explanation about the don't kill and do kill contradiction...
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