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I'm not familiar with anyone who kills in the name of the Bible, but whoever they may be, they are not in line with the Bible's context
Care to explain the context of Lev.20:13, Rom.1:26-32, Lev.20:10, Deut.22:22, Deut.21:20-21, Lev.20:9, Exod.21:15, Deut.22:13-21, Luke.19:27, Deut.17:2-7, and Exod.35:2-3?

These are just a few passage that pretty explicitly say that we should kill homo***uals, adulterers, disobedient children, people who work on the sabbath, all non-christians etc.
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Just a note: The church isn't our model of perfection. In the past, christianity has been twisted and abused to justify lots of killings, true. That doesn't mean they were right in doing that.

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That was the law in Israel back in the days of Mozes. Nowadays, It's still against Gods will, but the law has changed. But also consider the different culture and how things went in that time.

Rom.1:26-32: Care to explain what you think is wrong? Luke 19:27: please explain what you think is the context. Note that it's a parable.
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Just a note: The church isn't our model of perfection. In the past, christianity has been twisted and abused to justify lots of killings, true. That doesn't mean they were right in doing that.
I'm sorry, but yes, yes it is. You indeed accepted them and their bible as holy. You obey their rules as well. You can't just be a christian but only obey "some" rules, or follow "some passages" of their bible. If you disagree with just ONE of their passages the you are not a christian, but something else.

On a side note: "In the past"? Ever see a poor clerical man on the vatican?
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I used to work for a man who used "Christianity smoke and mirrors" to bolster business in a highly religious neighborhood.

Even his cheques had a finger pointing to the sky and "one way" embossed on them.

He would rip you off faster than a Satan worshiping junkie whore ever could.
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That was the law in Israel back in the days of Mozes. Nowadays, It's still against Gods will, but the law has changed.
So you're trying to say the old testament no longer applies?

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heave"

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I'm sorry, but yes, yes it is. You indeed accepted them and their bible as holy. You obey their rules as well. You can't just be a christian but only obey "some" rules, or follow "some passages" of their bible. If you disagree with just ONE of their passages the you are not a christian, but something else.

On a side note: "In the past"? Ever see a poor clerical man on the vatican?
Funny how you tell me what I believe.

The churches sometimes don'te ven agree with eachother, and there have been enough quarrels between them, I wouldn't call that perfect. That's what I mean.

I follow the bible completely, that's true. Discarding passages at will is just believing anything you want.

I've never been at the vatican, I'm not catholic, so I don't see this having anything to do with it.
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So you're trying to say the old testament no longer applies?

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heave"

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Some Pharisees wanted to test Jesus. They came up to him and asked, “Is it right for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?” Jesus answered, “Don't you know that in the beginning the Creator made a man and a woman? That's why a man leaves his father and mother and gets married. He becomes like one person with his wife. 6 Then they are no longer two people, but one. And no one should separate a couple that God has joined together.” The Pharisees asked Jesus, “Why did Moses say that a man could write out divorce papers and send his wife away?” Jesus replied, “You are so heartless! That's why Moses allowed you to divorce your wife. But from the beginning God did not intend it to be that way. I say that if your wife has not committed some terrible ***ual sin,
some terrible ***ual sin, you must not divorce her to marry someone else. If you do, you are unfaithful.”

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Funny how you tell me what I believe.
No. He is telling you what logic dictates. However, you prefer to ignore logic and trust what you have been told and what you believe (and ignore large parts of your own holy text).

I guarantee, that if you "debate" the bible, you will loose.

However, if you just say, "I believe it and that is final." then the entire debate dies.

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Read my post again, he says (indirectly) the church we have nowadays is perfect. Fact is, it isn't. This is not related to the bible being true or not.
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Read my post again, he says (indirectly) the church we have nowadays is perfect. Fact is, it isn't. This is not related to the bible being true or not.

It is your fight.

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Killed any people who work weekends recently? Thought not

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THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!!!!!


except for witches, gays, women who aren't subservient enough, heretics, people who commit beastiality, and oh yeah, people who work on sundays...


I guess you could always kill the weekend workers on monday. no reason to put them all to death on sunday as your right, that WOULD be working....

So uh, the whole don't kill verse, it's pretty black and white. no words thrown in to mean "except when"....... It's rather contradictory. Either you believe in the absolute of not killing, as well as the hypocrisy of killing people who do X...... or you selectively believe in what you wish to believe. There isn't much wiggle room in this. One verse states absolutely to not kill, and many others tell you to kill. Simple contradiction. Which to believe?
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