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Old 02-19-2010, 10:56 PM #1185
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I mean that the context we see today is correct, that by being unchanged and accurate to what was originally written.

During the language translation processes, the Bible did not ever need to be interpreted. They never had to even think about changing the Bible's context to get it written in another language.

The translation process is very straightforward, it was a language change, not a meaning change. Interpret it how you like, but the Bible has only one truth attached to it. Not two, not some, one.

Anyone can translate the Bible accurately no matter what they interpreted it to mean, and it does not change at all, what the Bible spells out.

I believe that if the God of the Bible really is omnipotent, then he would not allow his word of good news (the gospel) to become contaminated with man's ideas on such a large scale. Sure, people do twist what it says, and try to change it's meaning, but the denominations that have survived these dozens of decades do not let those ideas through.

Do Lutherans and Baptists have different ideas? Yes. And those are the result of their own interpretations, and those differences do not change the message of the gospel one bit. Those differences are not a matter of Heaven vs Hell, they are a matter concerning how you worship, when you worship, and with whom you worship. All interpretations will fall eventually, that being because no one can fully understand the Bible, and who God is. If we did, we would then become God.

I wasn't there when they wrote the Bible, and I can't say that I know it is all true, or even partly true. But I can say that I believe it, simply because the writers of those books were either eye witnesses of the event, or were in direct contact with those that were eye witnesses. Seeing all of the event happening in the Bible create one consistent message, and seeing that the Bible itself has lasted these 2000+ years, gives me reason to believe it.

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I mean that the context we see today is correct, that by being unchanged and accurate to what was originally written.

During the language translation processes, the Bible did not ever need to be interpreted. They never had to even think about changing the Bible's context to get it written in another language.

The translation process is very straightforward, it was a language change, not a meaning change. Interpret it how you like, but the Bible has only one truth attached to it. Not two, not some, one.

Anyone can translate the Bible accurately no matter what they interpreted it to mean, and it does not change at all, what the Bible spells out.

I believe that if the God of the Bible really is omnipotent, then he would not allow his word of good news (the gospel) to become contaminated with man's ideas on such a large scale. Sure, people do twist what it says, and try to change it's meaning, but the denominations that have survived these dozens of decades do not let those ideas through.

Do Lutherans and Baptists have different ideas? Yes. And those are the result of their own interpretations, and those differences do not change the message of the gospel one bit. Those differences are not a matter of Heaven vs Hell, they are a matter concerning how you worship, when you worship, and with whom you worship. All interpretations will fall eventually, that being because no one can fully understand the Bible, and who God is. If we did, we would then become God.

I wasn't there when they wrote the Bible, and I can't say that I know it is all true, or even partly true. But I can say that I believe it, simply because the writers of those books were either eye witnesses of the event, or were in direct contact with those that were eye witnesses. Seeing all of the event happening in the Bible create one consistent message, and seeing that the Bible itself has lasted these 2000+ years, gives me reason to believe it.

Who is this Lilith? What do her followers believe?
I respect you as a person. I'm going to stop talking to you about this

You believe by faith. I am cool with that.

We just cannot discuss what you accept on faith.

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Lyrics to a song written in 1974 by Peter Gabriel.

"Lillywhite Lilith, she gonna take you to the tunnel of light, Lillywhite Lilith, she's gonna treat you right" (I forget the rest, but interesting that name got brought up.)


Why is there multiple "versions" of the bible??
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Lyrics to a song written in 1974 by Peter Gabriel.

"Lillywhite Lilith, she gonna take you to the tunnel of light, Lillywhite Lilith, she's gonna treat you right" (I forget the rest, but interesting that name got brought up.)


Why is there multiple "versions" of the bible??
I have read many "versions" of the bible
old testament
new testament
king james
the new world translation
american standard version

cant really call it the bible but..
the book of mormon too

I own them all



Anyways...
The word "God" is removed more and more as the versions get newer, and the one depicted as god gets nicer.

god isnt so mad and ruthless in the new testament as he is in the old one. the wrath of god isnt so harsh. also the old testament talks a lot about the jewish history of whats in the bible. before jesus and all




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To make it short, for you believers, Lilith was the first woman made by [a] god. She didn't accept Adam as his man (controller/master/etc.) so she got kicked out.
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To make it short, for you believers, Lilith was the first woman made by [a] god. She didn't accept Adam as his man (controller/master/etc.) so she got kicked out.
She was in in part of the banned, or deemed not worthy books that were tossed out. Also the first nagging wife (spouse) in recorded history
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She was in in part of the banned, or deemed not worthy books that were tossed out. Also the first nagging wife (spouse) in recorded history
And now we know why Adam was left with only a leaf to cover himself
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Give a man a fish and he will eat for the day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. Give a man a religion and he will die praying for a fish.
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just call it all ESP and save a month of lecture.
WRONG!! The month now needs to be spent explaining the intricate workings of ESP... What's that you say? He doesn't know everything there is to know about ESP? Then why is it a better answer?

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Both answers explain nothing about lightning.
Scientific answer - Static discharge created by friction resulting in an electric arc.

"magic answer" - heaven is angry or my childhood favorite, "God is bowling and getting strikes"
(Although that was grandmas answer for thunder)

Here's one that will alarm you, Part of basic fire training the question is asked "what is fire"

you would be amazed how many firemen in training cannot describe the process of combustion correctly.
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why else did he name his son Jesus (Hey Zeus)"
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I'm not familiar with anyone who kills in the name of the Bible, but whoever they may be, they are not in line with the Bible's context, which does not change.
Wow, you're really not familiar with any Christians who have killed in the name of God?

The Crusades? The Inquisition? Various forms of protestant reformations and battles throughout Europe?

None of this rings a bell?


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I mean that the context we see today is correct, that by being unchanged and accurate to what was originally written.

During the language translation processes, the Bible did not ever need to be interpreted. They never had to even think about changing the Bible's context to get it written in another language.

The translation process is very straightforward, it was a language change, not a meaning change. Interpret it how you like, but the Bible has only one truth attached to it. Not two, not some, one.

Anyone can translate the Bible accurately no matter what they interpreted it to mean, and it does not change at all, what the Bible spells out.

I believe that if the God of the Bible really is omnipotent, then he would not allow his word of good news (the gospel) to become contaminated with man's ideas on such a large scale. Sure, people do twist what it says, and try to change it's meaning, but the denominations that have survived these dozens of decades do not let those ideas through.

Do Lutherans and Baptists have different ideas? Yes. And those are the result of their own interpretations, and those differences do not change the message of the gospel one bit. Those differences are not a matter of Heaven vs Hell, they are a matter concerning how you worship, when you worship, and with whom you worship. All interpretations will fall eventually, that being because no one can fully understand the Bible, and who God is. If we did, we would then become God.

I wasn't there when they wrote the Bible, and I can't say that I know it is all true, or even partly true. But I can say that I believe it, simply because the writers of those books were either eye witnesses of the event, or were in direct contact with those that were eye witnesses. Seeing all of the event happening in the Bible create one consistent message, and seeing that the Bible itself has lasted these 2000+ years, gives me reason to believe it.

Who is this Lilith? What do her followers believe?
There are still huge problems with this.

First, translation is not a simple one-to-one process. Meaning has to be interpretated for translation to happen, not a simple transcribing. Meaning is changed every time it is translated. If meaning isn't changed in translation, then why are there multiple versions in the same language? Seriously, there are words used int he bible for which there is no equivalent word in English, MEANING must be translated, not just individual words, so meaning must be interpreted by every translator.

Second, the people who wrote the bible, and especially the people who edited the bible hundreds of years later, weren't around when any of it happened. Especially later, books got tossed out, books got changed. We don't have ANY original texts, everything is copied and recopied, interpreted and reinterpreted.

And age and eyewitness testimony is what does it for you? Then why not follow Gilgamesh then? Texts about him are much older, they have many versions or varying ages that tell the same basic stories as written by people who lived during the time of Gilgamesh. He was a ruler of men who at times displayed supernatural abilities, sometimes described as being 2/3 god and 1/3 man (hmmm, what other religions have this idea of a trinity of sorts?), so why is Jesus a more important historical or religious figure than Gilgamesh?

Finally, you talk about the differences in Christian sects as if they are all small and trivial. The differing interpretations throughout Christianity are not small and unimportant, they are MASSIVE! People died during the Protestant Reformation because of what Luther wrote. People killed one another, set each other on fire at the stake, over the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism, and those differences are wider and more varied now than they were back then. Heck, in the church I grew up in, which was outwardly a fairly mainline protestant church, most all of us would've had a lot of trouble getting into heaven in other sects.




But hey, there's nothing wrong with living your life by faith. But to try to justify faith using facts or logic is doomed to failure. Live by faith and by what you want to believe, I have no problem with that. Just like I have no problem with people who believe who believe in creationism and intelligent design, as long as they don't try to "prove" these thing using science.

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