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Memorizing that as well.
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Except for the part where he's dead and I'm not

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I didn't mean to deabte you Jay, just stating my thoughts

I agree with Dave, if you can be happy, I would take it.

I have just never been able to ignore the facts, as I see them. For that matter I have never been able to keep from seeking them.

I only get annoyed when others try to force me to live by thier beliefs, or take advantage of others in thier name.

Get some sleep bro
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I'm betting you didn't even read the other 20 pages this thread has. You'll see that you're not the only one dave (and some of us) had to debate with... and to amazing lengths. When you do read those 20 pages come back and try to give us the same argument.


What does your grandmother have to do with all this? Do you think that because someone tells me "Yes, I've seen UFO's, they're true" I'm just gonna believe it?


Also, have you read the bible COMPLETELY? I really mean 100%.
1. I don't need to read the other 20 pages
2. My grandmother can explain things better than me and can show the proof you asked for.
3. I don't remember it all but I have been through it 100% through the years I attended and studied for the weekly meetings.
UFO? WTF
Your line of thinking is so far out there.

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You are right. I am probably lying to you simply to challenge your faith.

I have repeatedly tried to show you a way to feel better about what you believe.

As long as you remain on the fence between faith and rational thought, you will be dissatisfied. Choose and end the discord in your heart. The easier choice is faith.

I don't care what you believe. I want you to be happy.

No thank you.

I do not want to speak with a more knowledgeable member of the community.

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1. You put words in my mouth.
2. You tried to show me a way to feel better about myself? When the hell did that happen?? You did nothing but debate about it.
3. I am on no fence pal. Rational thought is all I listen to. You wanted evidence but don't want to look at it. So fuck it.

@ everyone else... don't ask me for evidence anymore if you don't want me to show it to you.
And no I am no longer attending those meetings. I have severe mental problems and I have been on medication for over a decade. I hate people so much... especially this fucking arguing when no one wants to listen.

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I didn't mean to deabte you Jay, just stating my thoughts

I agree with Dave, if you can be happy, I would take it.

I have just never been able to ignore the facts, as I see them. For that matter I have never been able to keep from seeking them.

I only get annoyed when others try to force me to live by thier beliefs, or take advantage of others in thier name.

Get some sleep bro
Sorry, all I wanted to do was talk about what I know. But it never turns out that way. So do you have any LCC or LOC red diodes I could buy? I wanted to make a 300+mw laser
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Sorry, all I wanted to do was talk about what I know. But it never turns out that way. So do you have any LCC or LOC red diodes I could buy? I wanted to make a 300+mw laser
You are welcome to talk about what you know man.

No diodes here, but there are many great diode-sellers here on the forum.
Good luck on your build. Post pics when when it is done,...beamshots too
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Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!
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Oh, Lord. You're so BIG. So awfully huge. We're all really impressed down here, I can tell you! -- "The Meaning of Life" - Monty Python

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Do any of you guys listen to Podcasts? Specifically, I was wondering if you have ever checked out "Skeptics Guide to the Universe"? Home - The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe

They take great care not to bash religion, but the talk about current events dealing with things that are believed in the "culture", all cultures, with either no evidence or contradictory evidence. It is led by a neurologist with 5 other people from other walks of life.

They also explain and discuss scientific-theory, rational-thought and logic. They are the highlight of my week for entertainment.

It sounds like there would be a lot of fans here.

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So how does one confidently proclaim that he KNOWS that there is no God?
St. Gasoline covered this years ago.



As far as I'm concerned, (to provide a slick, classic antithesis): absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

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I want you to be happy....The easier choice is faith.
That's no more to the point than a drunken man is happier than a sober man. Alcohol and drugs is an easier choice as well. Does that make it the right one?

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I agree about the lack of evidence being lack of reason to believe.

The sticking-point for many I think is that really no one should state that atheists say there is no god, just no reasonable-evidence to accept that there is one.
This is called a "straw-man" argument. Nobody is really, or should be saying that they know god does not exist. When stated that way by believers, it makes us sound arrogant, they get to tear the "straw-man down". The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

If we thought this way in the rest of our lives, you would not have a computer sitting in front of you right now, or cars, planes, etc.


Hey Dave, there is a dragon living in your garage, go check.

What do you mean you can't see it, he is there, I promise.

Why would Dave believe me, but he cannot absolutely prove it is not there. The point is, he doesn't need to, I do. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Should Dave not park the "Dagiun-Mobile" in the Garage because I might be right? (BTW, I am convinced he would park it in his underground liar, like Batman).

I do not claim to "know" anything, in an absolute sense. I accept the best knowledge available at the time. This knowledge can become outdated and upgraded, just the same way we learn about building and improving laser-pointers here. Wouldn't it be strange if someone believed the PS-3 Diode was the only "true" BR-diode?
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I just want to say:
1) Dark_Horse, I agree with basically everything you have said. Very well put.
2) Your avatar is awesome. Only trouble is that I was distracted from reading your posts several times because I found myself waiting for the lightning to come and the eye to turn red

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I find it slightly ironic that the majority of the members that have studied the bible on LPf are non believers-Dave, Niko, and others that don't post on this thread any more.

I love this thread. The religious members just make excuses and leave when they are pwned by Dave and Niko
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That's no more to the point than a drunken man is happier than a sober man. Alcohol and drugs is an easier choice as well. Does that make it the right one?
Sorry. That isn't even close to the same thing. Happy and stoned or inebriated are not related.

In my experience most people who over drink to get drunk or do drugs to get high are not happy at all


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Atheists, (anti-theists), are only a collection of people who do not believe in something, so as a group, we do not have tenants or dogmas. Their is no atheist "world-view", it is a lack of belief. I do not believe in evolution either......I accept it. To believe is to no longer question, this would not be the way of science.

BTW, to the Christians here, are you not atheist with regards to Islam, as well as all other religions except your own? How about Zeus, are you an atheist with regards to Greek gods? I am not being funny, it is exactly the same thing.


What is Atheism?
Atheism can be either the rejection of theism, or the position that deities do not exist. In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities.

The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without gods", which was derogatorily applied to anyone thought to not believe in the accepted gods, or to believe in false gods, no gods, or doctrines that stood in conflict with established religions. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to identify themselves as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century. Today, about 2.3% of the world's population describes itself as atheist, while a further 11.9% is described as nontheist. Between 64% and 65% of Japanese describe themselves as atheists, agnostics, or non-believers, and up to 48% in Russia. The percentage of such persons in European Union member states ranges as low as single digits in Italy and some other countries, and up to 85% in Sweden.

Atheists tend to lean towards skepticism regarding supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence. Common rationales include the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistent revelations, and the argument from nonbelief. Other arguments for atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical. Although some atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as humanism, rationalism, and naturalism, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.

In Western culture, atheists are frequently assumed to be exclusively irreligious or unspiritual. However, religious and spiritual belief systems such as forms of Buddhism that do not advocate belief in gods, have also been described as atheistic.



What is it to be agnostic?
Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the differences between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. As such, the term agnostic does not necessarily signal a particular view about religion or God, as some agnostics also identify as theists or atheists.

Thomas Henry Huxley, an English biologist, coined the word agnostic in 1860. However, earlier thinkers and written works have promoted agnostic points of view. They include Protagoras, a 5th-century BCE Greek philosopher, and a creation story in the Rigveda, an ancient Hindu religious text. Since Huxley coined the term, many other thinkers have written extensively about agnosticism, ranging from Albert Einstein to Pope Benedict XVI.




I am a Christian.....That doesn't make me an Atheist towards another Religion....It just makes me a Christian

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Atheism can be either the rejection of theism, or the position that deities do not exist. In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities.


I am a Christian.....That doesn't make me an Atheist towards another Religion....It just makes me a Christian
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In my experience most people who over drink to get drunk or do drugs to get high are not happy at all


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d00d..
i got drank alcohol like 2.. maybe 3 times this year.
i drink to get drunk.
thats the whole purpose isnt it?



i think its people who drink and/or do drugs to be happy.. are not happy
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