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Dave I just looked up Humanists. It makes sense to be that in this confusing world. But if you look at these lasers... even just the atoms... Someone had to create it. Everything circles another. The solar system is like an atom. The galaxies are like atoms. Someone is there and his right to rule will no longer be questioned.
Why?

You simply fail to grasp the power of infinite random variation.

Time, measured in billions of years, is very difficult to understand when one is used to human time scales.

"Replicating patterns" happen all the time in the wild. Now apply infinite random variation to billions of planets over billions of years. You can develop some pretty complex replicating patterns.

Just because it "looks" organized doesn't mean it was planned by an intelligence. Just because one cannot understand the process does not mean that some superior being must be able to understand it.

Simply put -- Shit happens, in an infinite number of ways and times over a virtually infinite number of situations and contexts. Put that all together and you can indeed create a platypus (or the human species).

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Look Dave I'm not going to argue about this. I have my own reasons that you are not aware of. It's not blind belief based on possibilities... it's based off of proof. I wouldn't just suddenly believe something just because of a hunch or some simple idiotic line of reasoning. Lets just leave it at that.
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Look Dave I'm not going to argue about this. I have my own reasons that you are not aware of. It's not blind belief based on possibilities... it's based off of proof. I wouldn't just suddenly believe something just because of a hunch or some simple idiotic line of reasoning. Lets just leave it at that.
I do not have a bit of problem leaving people to believe whatever they want to believe (as long as they are not hurting others in the name of that belief).

You asked me a direct question and then tried to show me why your beliefs were right, necessitating the position that my beliefs must be wrong.

It doesn't matter to me what or why you believe what you believe. You are free to do so. Please remember that freedom also extends to me.

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I do not have a bit of problem leaving people to believe whatever they want to believe (as long as they are not hurting others in the name of that belief).

You asked me a direct question and then tried to show me why your beliefs were right, necessitating the position that my beliefs must be wrong.

It doesn't matter to me what or why you believe what you believe. You are free to do so. Please remember that freedom also extends to me.

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And what pain did those witnesses cause you when they politely took time out of their lives to show you what the bible says?

I never said your beliefs were wrong. Where the heck did you get that Idea from?

Freedom has already been extended to you. If you hadn't made that joke I wouldn't have said anything.
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Something with quantam mechanics
Yes. A very interesting quote, this was. And it's actually just paraphrased here. In the letter to Born, he wrote:

"Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the 'old one'. I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice."

Of course, Born's reply was then something to the effect of "Stop telling God what to do."

I prefer Neil Gaiman's reinterpretation: "God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of the players, (ie everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."

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Well one thing you can say for certain. We are blind... blind from birth and blind from everything else that goes on behind the scenes.
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And what pain did those witnesses cause you when they politely took time out of their lives to show you what the bible says?
Not a bit. Nor did I cause them any pain. I allowed them to live their life while continuing to pursue mine. You seem to think that is not OK.


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Dave I just looked up Humanists. It makes sense to be that in this confusing world. But if you look at these lasers... even just the atoms... Someone had to create it. Everything circles another. The solar system is like an atom. The galaxies are like atoms. Someone is there and his right to rule will no longer be questioned.
Everything after "But" is a direct contradiction of my beliefs as you understood them from your reading



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Freedom has already been extended to you. If you hadn't made that joke I wouldn't have said anything.
So I am free to say anything EXCEPT make a joke about something you don't think is funny? Does that about cover the freedom extended to me?

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Well one thing you can say for certain. We are blind... blind from birth and blind from everything else that goes on behind the scenes.
Why does there have to be a "behind the scenes"? What says there's a puppet master yankin' on the strings back there?
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Not a bit. Nor did I cause them any pain. I allowed them to live their life while continuing to pursue mine. You seem to think that is not OK.

You shut the door in their faces. You could have at least said no thankyou.



Everything after "But" is a direct contradiction of my beliefs as you understood them from your reading

No I was sharing what proof I have found. My mistake to even bother with a complicated conversation with a guy who chooses words much better than I.



So I am free to say anything EXCEPT make a joke about something you don't think is funny? Does that about cover the freedom extended to me?

You are free to take a crap in an officers pants. I wanted to let you know that the witnesses are not a religious group. I get defensive and that is why I don't leave my house often to deal with people.

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Why does there have to be a "behind the scenes"? What says there's a puppet master yankin' on the strings back there?
If you think that nothing goes on behind the publics knowledge then maybe its best that you don't know. I mean its not like the world is full of mad scientists


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Not a bit. Nor did I cause them any pain. I allowed them to live their life while continuing to pursue mine. You seem to think that is not OK.
You shut the door in their faces. You could have at least said no thankyou.

I did say no thank you, by closing the door

Everything after "But" is a direct contradiction of my beliefs as you understood them from your reading
No I was sharing what proof I have found. My mistake to even bother with a complicated conversation with a guy who chooses words much better than I.

You said very clearly, that you understood my beliefs BUT . . . . . .and then went on to not only tell me the truth, but to espouse that his "right to rule" will (eventually) "no longer be questioned"


So I am free to say anything EXCEPT make a joke about something you don't think is funny? Does that about cover the freedom extended to me?

You are free to take a crap in an officers pants. I wanted to let you know that the witnesses are not a religious group. I get defensive and that is why I don't leave my house often to deal with people.

You said you wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't made that joke. So everything was OK up to the joke? And the joke was the trigger. It still doesn't look like I am free to believe what I want.

Saying that the Jehova's Witnesses is NOT a religious group is like saying that Michael Jackson wasn't black.

I know significantly more about being in the truth than you give me credit for. However, knowing and believing are NOT the same things
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Wait a sec Dave... you made a mistake on the quotes. Theyre all together
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well whatever you want to argue about I'm almost wrong all the time. My head is so chaotic that my thoughts are uncollected. I hear religious jokes all the time but the only ones that bother me are the ones about ....

"in the truth"?
Were you a witness once or had a few studies?

You had to have had one or the other because calling it the truth is what people say when they know about the organization
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Wait a sec Dave... you made a mistake on the quotes. Theyre all together

They are quoted line-by-line, just the way you presented them. I just added another color.

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Were you a witness once or had a few studies?

You had to have had one or the other because calling it the truth is what people say when they know about the organization
You have not known me long enough to know. I have studied most of the world's religions. In addition I have relatives who are witnesses.

I myself was reared in The Assembly of God church by "domestic" missionaries.

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Yeah but the quotes are mixed in with your response. You should know better than that heheh
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studied most of the worlds religions. What a horrible thing to go threw. So many ideals and interpretations...

Is that why you don't believe in a god anymore?
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