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I'd just like to point out that atheism is merely the belief that gods do not exist.

It does not mean that atheists believe anything else per se....anymore than being a Republican means you don't believe in Global Climate Change, but do believe in the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.

There is no evidence of objective morality in the Old or New Testaments or the Koran, etc. There IS evidence of subjective morality.

IE: Though shall not kill sounds objective, yet, is still interpreted as subjective, otherwise soldiers and police, etc, would be unable to kill to protect others, etc.

And so forth.


So, all morality is subjective, simply because there are contexts to interpret morals within.

If a society deems exposure of genitalia, or some genitalia and not others, or exposure of other body parts, such as a woman's lips but not a man's, to be immoral...it is, to them, in their own context.

Most societies agree that stealing is wrong, and yet, how stealing is defined by their laws can be different. Native Americans did not consider stealing another tribe's horses to be wrong...it was simply part of their culture...and, the expectation was that if they wanted their horses back, they would simply steal them back again, and so forth.

When whites arrived, and considered stealing a horse to be a hanging offense, it made no sense to the natives...they could not understand why whites reacted so strangely and violently to something so normal.

So, as all morals are subject to interpretation, all are by definition, subjective.

That DOESN'T mean there are no morals, or that "anything goes", anymore than it does for chimps and other primates or other social animals.

There have always been consequences for actions, even for wolves in packs, etc. If the pack disapproves of actions, the pack may punish the offending member...and, members learn the rules, and, for the most part, behave accordingly.

Some people, or wolves, or monkeys, do break the rules, and, just as we have prisons and electric chairs, etc, other animals might attack offending members, shun them, or otherwise punish them for not behaving.

Wolves and Bonobos have no bible, and, yet, act morally. They care for each other, work together for the group's overall welfare, help raise their collective young, and so forth.

A wolf's "morals" are quite similar to our own..in that they are discouraged from harming each other, and suffer consequences if they do...but do struggle for their place/hierarchy and those are "allowed", but, there are penalties for failed attempts for example....which discourages random fighting, and they are encouraged to help each other find and acquire food, and rewarded proportionally as well.

Some animals have genetic predispositions that encourage homo or a$exual behavior when a population is under stress, or even as part of their normal social organization.

It is not immoral for a percentage of seagulls or wolves or Bonobos, etc, to be homo$exual, it is what worked over evolutionary terms for them.

In other societies, such as in Pakistan or Afghanistan, etc, these scenarios were deemed immoral...but even there, were subject to interpretation, "counting" some forms of same $ex activities as OK, and others as sins.

Some Polynesian cultures consider it normal for older, experienced adults, to be the first to take the virginity of the children, as a rite of passage, and it is normal, and, not considered to be wrong in anyway...in their culture.

So, there are many many different interpretations of what is right or wrong in society....and the members can consider themselves to be 100% moral, and yet have other societies insist that ONLY THEIR moral values are "right", and that the society that allows men to see a woman's lips in public is WRONG.


That has nothing to do with being a theist or atheist, as the "morals" each religion purports are the right morals, differ.

Atheists also tend to view whatever society they were raised in considers to be right or wrong....as right or wrong...and, the only differences are typically religion specific, just as they are between religious groups.



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I base my morality off whether I believe it is harming the other person/animal unjustly or not. I use my own judgement - as sentient beings with brains capable of highly complex deduction we can do this. If an animal for food is slaughtered in a way that causes it to writhe and scream while its blood pours out, I deduce that it is feeling incredible amounts of pain and that this is immoral. I didn't need a book to tell me that, I felt that because I was brought up in a just way and taught to respect others.

As humans we are smart enough to know that pain hurts, that pain is not nice therefore the same applies to others, and therefore, to try and not inflict that on others. I know that having a brick dropped on my toe would hurt, therefore I am not going to go out and drop a brick on someone's toe. To say that we need religion to understand simple concepts like this insulting to a humans intelligence and the complexity of our brains.

What I absolutely can't fathom is that, in 2016, there are still people saying that you need religion to be moral and that kids need religion in their lives to be good people. This is the same book that suggests women who have been raped and fail to report it are as bad as adulterers, and that sodomy is a fault of the highest order. How the fuck can someone keep a straight face when saying this instills morals?
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I base my morality off whether I believe it is harming the other person/animal unjustly or not. I use my own judgement - as sentient beings with brains capable of highly complex deduction we can do this. If an animal for food is slaughtered in a way that causes it to writhe and scream while its blood pours out, I deduce that it is feeling incredible amounts of pain and that this is immoral. I didn't need a book to tell me that, I felt that because I was brought up in a just way and taught to respect others.

As humans we are smart enough to know that pain hurts, that pain is not nice therefore the same applies to others, and therefore, to try and not inflict that on others. I know that having a brick dropped on my toe would hurt, therefore I am not going to go out and drop a brick on someone's toe. To say that we need religion to understand simple concepts like this insulting to a humans intelligence and the complexity of our brains.

What I absolutely can't fathom is that, in 2016, there are still people saying that you need religion to be moral and that kids need religion in their lives to be good people. This is the same book that suggests women who have been raped and fail to report it are as bad as adulterers, and that sodomy is a fault of the highest order. How the fuck can someone keep a straight face when saying this instills morals?

The reality of it seems to be that even monkeys and elephants, etc, have morality....and humans simply codified it....and, then, as humans tend to do, forget they made the code, and start thinking of the code as where the morals came from.

This is WHY the "codes" are different in different places.

Many people in many cultures, consider exposure of a womans', but not always a mans', skin, to be immoral. Some cultures are fine with full nudity, such as in the Amazon, etc...and attach no right or wrong to it.

After that, which skin differs...a woman's nipple is a problem and a man's, or either a man or wonman's face is not, in the US mostly...and a womans face is a problem in other places, such as the middle east, etc.

Where is the right or wrong in being naked? It is 100% societal. Its codified, by humans who saw it as "wrong"...in the bronze age for example.

Covering their nakedness was the FIRST thing humans are reported to have done when learning of right and wrong.

And so forth.


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Covering their nakedness was the FIRST thing humans are reported to have done when learning of right and wrong.
Do you have a scientific source to support that claim, and specifically if covering up was done because of moral reasons and not for protection from the elements or otherwise?

If you travel the world a bit and go to places where people still live with their ancient animistic believes (i.e. have not been converted to any organized religion) you'll often find that they walk around with very little clothing in areas where the climate permits (think of places like indonesia, probably middle and south america too).

But even in christian society it varies quite a bit by country and even more by context. What is acceptable on a beach (topless women are not a problem in western europe) would not be considered appropriate in the workplace or just walking around a city center.
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Do you have a scientific source to support that claim, and specifically if covering up was done because of moral reasons and not for protection from the elements or otherwise?

If you travel the world a bit and go to places where people still live with their ancient animistic believes (i.e. have not been converted to any organized religion) you'll often find that they walk around with very little clothing in areas where the climate permits (think of places like indonesia, probably middle and south america too).

But even in christian society it varies quite a bit by country and even more by context. What is acceptable on a beach (topless women are not a problem in western europe) would not be considered appropriate in the workplace or just walking around a city center.




I used the word "reported", as the source is Genesis. Obviously, no one was there to record the event, and, it would have had to have survived via word of mouth to Noah, as the flood was reported (Same book) to have destroyed everything not on the Ark.

To make it even more complicated, there is no mention, anywhere, of when god told anyone the story TO pass on to Noah...and, Noah is IN the bible, so, he never wrote it down either...as it continues on w/o him after the floody parts. Bronze age men work in mysterious ways I suppose.






Many cultures have, that follow the Abrahamic god at least, considered assorted male skin exposures to be Ok, but are very limited on female exposures in general.

So, absolutely, a naked tribesman in the Amazon (jungle, not a warehouse...) would not attach a right/wrong moral judgement to clothing or lack thereof.

An American might think its immoral for a woman to walk around with too much leg or cleavage showing, whereas a topless woman in Brazil at the beach would not be thought immoral....but nips covered would be the limit in most of the US, etc.

A woman who's face was visible in parts of the middle east would be considered as immoral by the populace...but not in Times Square where it would go unnoticed from a moral perspective.


If men in the Bronze Age to a thousand years ago or so, are responsible for the morality associated with how much skin is right or wrong, that's about the way these things play out.

When these guys codified what they thought was right and wrong, we got our holy books...and, whatever passed for morality at the time they codified it.


We also got talking snakes that apparently used to have legs, so god could take the legs so they'd have to crawl on their bellies....no mention of why they can't speak anymore though.


Anyway, that's all in the bible. You should read all of them, to make sure you know every single version, so you can go to heaven.

I think in one version, there are bagels, another virgins, and another harps, IIRC.

The trick, apparently, is to pick whatever your parent's believes is the right version, and then convince others into believing it too, and/or shun and ostracize those who fail to see your version as compelling.


The friction comes when EVERYONE has to push what THEIR parent's believe on those others, who want YOU to believe what THEIR parent's believe, which, of course is wrong, as ONLY YOUR PARENTS are correct, always...except when you "rebel" and believe something else and all hell breaks loose, etc....then EVERYONE'S parental choices are being pushed on you.






Basically, in most religions, you are a car salesman, and your pitch is that if they don't buy a car from you, they will be tortured in a lake of fire, for all eternity.

If YOU FAIL to convince them to buy a car, that is THEIR punishment.

If you are part of a more impatient dealership, you can also simply threaten to kill them right then and there if your dealership is OK with the more high pressure approach.


If they WANT to buy a car from you, but you can see the woman's face, some dealerships are OK with killing her right then and there for that too, because these dealerships have very very very very strict dress codes.






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Okay, description in a non-peer-reviewed book with at best vaguely known authors is not really convincing to me, sorry about that.

I'm not really sure what your beef with snakes is exactly, but they did originate from lizard like creatures that found themselves in environments where snaking around was more effective that running on legs. No-one knows what sounds they made, but i guess they've always hissed like todays snakes and some lizards still do

And as far as going topless goes: realistically there are not -that- many situations in which is it appropriate for men to go shirtless but women need to cover their breasts in free western civilizations.
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Okay, description in a non-peer-reviewed book with at best vaguely known authors is not really convincing to me, sorry about that.

I'm not really sure what your beef with snakes is exactly, but they did originate from lizard like creatures that found themselves in environments where snaking around was more effective that running on legs. No-one knows what sounds they made, but i guess they've always hissed like todays snakes and some lizards still do

And as far as going topless goes: realistically there are not -that- many situations in which is it appropriate for men to go shirtless but women need to cover their breasts in free western civilizations.


Are you focusing on the fact that I pointed out that the Bible, in Genesis, said that the FIRST thing the Bronze Age wisdom gained by eating the fruit was TO cover their nakedness?

IE: THAT was a major focus point of the time...in the Bronze ages, they were pushing that people should cover themselves.

Are you assuming that this is MY position, and that I am trying to say we SHOULD cover up because of what the bible says?

To clarify...no, its not MY position, I was pointing out WHY it WAS the assorted Abrahamic religion's perspective.

I disagree with seeing a face, etc, as a moral issue.

After that, the assorted religions argue about which skin is more sinful to expose....all based originally on the Garden of Eden fiasco.




PS - As MALE nipples are allowed to be shown in most western media, but NOT female nipples, there was a clever artist who displayed pictures of topless woman, except she had photoshopped male nipples onto where the femal nipples had been, so, technically, the pictures did not show female nipples, and, were therefore within the public nudity/****ography laws.

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Okay, description in a non-peer-reviewed book with at best vaguely known authors is not really convincing to me, sorry about that.

I'm not really sure what your beef with snakes is exactly, but they did originate from lizard like creatures that found themselves in environments where snaking around was more effective that running on legs. No-one knows what sounds they made, but i guess they've always hissed like todays snakes and some lizards still do

And as far as going topless goes: realistically there are not -that- many situations in which is it appropriate for men to go shirtless but women need to cover their breasts in free western civilizations.


Beef with snakes?

Is that Kosher?




I'm poking fun at the way they slipped in another of those "and kids, that's why XYZ have ABC !" with the snakes not having legs, any more....

..."the way we got rainbows" after the flood that didn't happen, and so forth.




And, in the US at least, where most people ARE prudish compared to Europe etc...a construction site might have bare chested men, but not woman for example.

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It's a bit of a marginal example i suppose, you rarely see women working on construction sites doing the actual hard work.

I don't think it would be illegal here if they did though.

Legislation on the topic here is really vague. The law states a minor punishment for indecent exposure, but does not define that in any way. It's not common for people to run around the city naked at all, but if someone does he'll probably be arrested initially and then never sentenced if he wants his day in court.
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It's a bit of a marginal example i suppose, you rarely see women working on construction sites doing the actual hard work.

I don't think it would be illegal here if they did though.

Legislation on the topic here is really vague. The law states a minor punishment for indecent exposure, but does not define that in any way. It's not common for people to run around the city naked at all, but if someone does he'll probably be arrested initially and then never sentenced if he wants his day in court.

In the US, the woman might be swinging a sledgehammer or whatever, in the Netherlands perhaps they don't do physical work?

Either way, if you read through both of our posts, starting perhaps a few above these last few, you'll see we are not in disagreement on the concepts.

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Hehe no, i'm just wondering when we will see bare chested women with jackhammers levelling out pavements here. I don't think it would be a legal problem, apart from attrackting film crews onto construction sites not wearing hardhats and such
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"bare chested women with jackhammers leveling out pavements "
I'd pay to see that. Where do I subscribe?
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"bare chested women with jackhammers leveling out pavements "
I'd pay to see that. Where do I subscribe?
I bet there is SOME venue in Thailand, beware of randomly flying pingpong balls in such areas though
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Still no one has decided to take me on about the part where I said "This is the same book that suggests women who have been raped and fail to report it are as bad as adulterers, and that sodomy is a fault of the highest order. How the fuck can someone keep a straight face when saying this instills morals?"

I am traversing the boundaries of provocation here, but it's within the walls of the discussion...
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What I absolutely can't fathom is that, in 2016, there are still people saying that you need religion to be moral
The issue falls back onto the problem of objective morality in atheism and you're failing to see the issue. The assertion isn't we must believe in God in order to live moral lives, the assertion is if God does not exist then objective moral values and duties do not exist.

-If you affirm they exist you'll need to provide an objective basis for their existence, something difficult for the atheist to do.
-If you affirm they do not exist then you step into moral relativism in which you have no objective moral ground to tell anyone else their morals are wrong.

So to address your moral issue with the bible you first need to clarify your own moral issues with a disbelief in God.


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Atm I'm burnt out on debating morals. GL
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