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Old 04-23-2016, 05:42 AM #6657
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Of course, Satan, the father of all lies introduced the lie (through Darwin) of evolution and that fossils are millions or billions or trillions (I've lost count now) years old.

Fossils are proof that a global flood took place and that the creatures had to have been covered in the mud and sediment quickly, leaving the imprint of their bodies in the resulting layers.
Living creatures when they die deteriorate far to quickly to have the fossil remains imprinted in the fossil record if it took place over millions of years of sedimentary layering.

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wow, you are quite ignorant on this matter. I suggest you learn more about it before you discount it as satans lies. interesting to me how you will take the word of a very old book with very little supporting evidence for it's biggest claims, but discount all the scientific advancement in knowledge regardeing any topic which contradicts the bible, as "satan's lies"

tell me, why believe the scientists about ANY claim they make? I mean, atomic theory? GTFOH no one has ever seen an atom, you cant observe it so it's just a theory right? I mean, so what if they can make a hydrogen bomb based on their knowledge of things they cant even see, that's no proof. if you think the theory of evolution has no effect on biology and our advancement in that science you'd be dead wrong. it is at the heart of biology.

Me thinks youve been getting your info on these matters from the likes of kent hoving and ken ham. if you'd like, I can recommend several youtube channels that go to extremely great lengths to debunk all of those two's claims

can you explain how we are able to see galaxies that are more than 6000 light years away if the universe is only that old? did god make the lightwaves already en route to earth at the same time he made the source of that light? or do you have reason to suspect that the speed of light can vary drastically in vaccuum, like many orders of magnitude variation, despite this never being observed?

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I never meant to ever post here again, but atoms have been seen. They have been resolved by X-ray crystallography for many years and I know I've seen other ways that they have been observed. Sorry, I'm done and gone.
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ah, yes. thanks for that. well then pick a subatomic particle. have we observed all of those? ha ha ha ha ah I can play the "move the goal post" game too.

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tell me, why believe the scientists about ANY claim they make? I mean, atomic theory?
The most dangerous and most destructive lies are the ones that are mixed with plenty of truth.
Sure science can lead us to the creation of The Bomb, the ISS and space travel, medical advancements and the computer revolution.
But when it comes to things of the past that aren't directly observable, we become ripe for Satan's lies and just blindly believe everything he conjures up for us to believe.

The Big Bang?
Yes, God said "Let there be light..."

Evolution?
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Scientists conclude we are made of the same elements as the stars?
Yes, God said: "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Science "discovers" that the earth is suspended in space?
Well the Bible told us that in the book of Job.
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. " Job 26:7

So of course science presents us with a lot of truths but it's the lies that are mixed in to science that have 'poisoned' humanity and have turned so many to atheism.

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can you explain how we are able to see galaxies that are more than 6000 light years away if the universe is only that old? did god make the lightwaves already en route to earth at the same time he made the source of that light? or do you have reason to suspect that the speed of light can vary drastically in vaccuum, like many orders of magnitude variation, despite this never being observed?

If the bible were not true, would you want to know?
At the moment of creation God said let there be light and there was light.
This, in my understanding, means it was instantaneous.
God created the sun, moon and stars, all in their respective places and all were emitting their light (and reflecting in the case of the moon and planets) instantly.
Light therefore, at creation, was at 'instantaneous' 'speed', so to speak.

Have read of the following article to understand how the age of the universe at 6000 y.o. could be possible:
The Speed of Light Constant. The Speed of Light is Slowing Down and gives a Different Time of Creation of the Earth


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Got a pretty decent laugh out of this.
I don't agree that dinosaurs are 'fake', I do believe that man and dinosaurs co-existed and that Noah did take two dinosaurs on the ark, they didn't have to be big ones, and they could have died off after this so there was no continuation of that species of animal.
There have been many 'dragon' legends that correlate to dinosaur 'likenesses'.
What fascinates me more though is that most people look at that poster/image you quoted and don't see that the image of 'Darth Maul' and other Star Wars characters have inferences to the Demonic concepts presented in the Bible.
The world, through Sci-Fi has been desensitised to the Demonic world and what God has described as 'The Enemy of man".
Yet God warned us that Satan can present himself as an angel of light if he so chooses.
So how can we tell him apart from God?
The Bible tells us that Satan is the father of all lies, hence even if an 'angel' appears to us and denies The Father and The Son, denies or contradicts The Word of God then he is a counterfeit.
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I think this would be a great Christian to Christian discussion to have, but it's ancillary to the center of it all... Christ.
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Truth in many individuals minds is purely relative to their world view or the current limits of our understanding at the time which also makes "truth" subjective, but what else can we do?
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The most dangerous and most destructive lies are the ones that are mixed with plenty of truth.
Sure science can lead us to the creation of The Bomb, the ISS and space travel, medical advancements and the computer revolution.
But when it comes to things of the past that aren't directly observable, we become ripe for Satan's lies and just blindly believe everything he conjures up for us to believe.

The Big Bang?
Yes, God said "Let there be light..."

Evolution?
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Scientists conclude we are made of the same elements as the stars?
Yes, God said: "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Science "discovers" that the earth is suspended in space?
Well the Bible told us that in the book of Job.
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. " Job 26:7

So of course science presents us with a lot of truths but it's the lies that are mixed in to science that have 'poisoned' humanity and have turned so many to atheism.


At the moment of creation God said let there be light and there was light.
This, in my understanding, means it was instantaneous.
God created the sun, moon and stars, all in their respective places and all were emitting their light (and reflecting in the case of the moon and planets) instantly.
Light therefore, at creation, was at 'instantaneous' 'speed', so to speak.

Have read of the following article to understand how the age of the universe at 6000 y.o. could be possible:
The Speed of Light Constant. The Speed of Light is Slowing Down and gives a Different Time of Creation of the Earth



I don't agree that dinosaurs are 'fake', I do believe that man and dinosaurs co-existed and that Noah did take two dinosaurs on the ark, they didn't have to be big ones, and they could have died off after this so there was no continuation of that species of animal.
There have been many 'dragon' legends that correlate to dinosaur 'likenesses'.
What fascinates me more though is that most people look at that poster/image you quoted and don't see that the image of 'Darth Maul' and other Star Wars characters have inferences to the Demonic concepts presented in the Bible.
The world, through Sci-Fi has been desensitised to the Demonic world and what God has described as 'The Enemy of man".
Yet God warned us that Satan can present himself as an angel of light if he so chooses.
So how can we tell him apart from God?
The Bible tells us that Satan is the father of all lies, hence even if an 'angel' appears to us and denies The Father and The Son, denies or contradicts The Word of God then he is a counterfeit.
wow I never expected you to be able to dig up a defense of that point, I honestly wouldnt expect a typical believer to give it much thought. I think it's totally bogus, but hey. I should've expected you would be atypical, I suppose I'd rather see you try to rationalize these contradictions with reality and the bible than just ignore them and never even consider them. it's a sort of aknowledgement I guess. at least you are thinking about them, even if you are prepared to submit to confirmation bias and weak theories of opinion to do so.

I agree the speed of light slows down in non-vacuum mediums, but I dont see why there is the claim that light has been exponentially slowing down. where's the evidence for that? why would you believe this so readily when he admits;

"In my opinion, light waves are propagated instantaneously in an absolute vacuum."

and

"If this is true, light from the stars would be seen on the earth the instant the stars were created because space had no gas or dust at the time of creation."

where is the evidence that it is true?, or is it just make believe so he can keep believing the bible without the discomfort of cognitive dissonance?

according to wikipedia:

"Setterfield's theory, however, would produce consequences which have not been observed,[43] and has been refuted by other creationists such as Russell Humphreys.[44]"

you seem to operate under some scary beliefs to me. you seem to indicate satan interferes with science and possibly evidence and data collection. reminds me of the Alice in chains song/album "the devil put dinosaurs here"

what observations have you made to indicate this is happening? do you really think everyone just blindly believes things because of satan? if so there is nothing I could ever say or show you to convince you because you can always discount it as satan working through me and or him manipulating evidence etc. there will always be a way out for you and you'll never have to confront the truth

would you like me to recommend some videos debunking creationist claims? can you harden your heart against satans lies and raise your shield of faith long enough to endure them safely without letting their poison penetrate your thoughts and being?

are you so deep in confirmation bias that you will not even consider anything contrary to the bible? do you decide such things are false before even considering them? again, IF THE BIBLE WERE NOT TRUE, WOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW?

you say the bible revealed that the earth hung in space, but it also says in other places that it is on pillars. so which is it? the bible also says you can get solid colored animals to become spotted and striped by mating them in front of branches. have you confirmed this "biblical biology lesson" (genesis 30:37-39)

I've heard it argued that even if the bible and religion in general isnt true that it serves a purpose by providing a sense of community and purpose to people, and makes them feel good. well, so do placebos, and you dont hear them being recommended. I personally do not see the utility in believing anything that is not evidently true. i think theories provide predictive models of how things work and if the predictions are accurate, the model is true enough for the time and it's existence is justified by it's utility. one example would be heliocentric theory, where the orbits were at one time depicted as circular, before being corrected to being elliptical. the circular orbit model was still better than a geocetric theory model.

and yes, the theory of evolution does make predictions, and all data collected thus far either fits with the theory, or does not contradict it. the theory recieved a huge boost in credibility when we discovered how to sequence genomes. there was already a tree of life based on morphology but when the ability to sequence genomes came along, the morphological tree was under threat of being disproven. a few organisms have turned out to be in the wrong place and have been corrected, but by and large the genetic tree of life matched the morphological one. what an unbelievable coinky-dink if all organisms are seperately created and unrelated

boy satan is insideous, he can even alter genomes which our bodies need to replace damaged cells in such a way as to make us seem related to all other life. and we couldnt even know about this lie of his until we could sequence genomes, so he predicted the future so he could trick us later. what a prankster.
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then those individuals should learn that there may be truth outside their understanding and be open minded and critical of evidence, and do their best to become proficient critical thinkers, striving for consistncy and congruence with reality.

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Atheist. I'm holding a 20 million year old megolodon tooth right now. Roughly 42,000 religions exist and who knows how many more existed in history. I think it's odd how anyone can say theirs is true over another.
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how do you know satan didn't alter the radioactive decay rate to screw with your head and get you to believe the lie in order to rob god of a child in heaven for violating the rules that god hiself setup?
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Because that's a fiction you spontaneously came up with to explain my 20 million year old fossil? O.o
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still on about that huh
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you say the bible revealed that the earth hung in space, but it also says in other places that it is on pillars. so which is it?
Still pointing out "contradictions" with no context or legitimate literary criticism. Looking at one sentence from one book and another sentence from another book, then providing no explanation of who, when, why, or what writing style this was written in to show it's actually a contradiction. Hardly faith shaking. O well I do enjoy Christian saitre.

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