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Old 04-01-2016, 10:17 PM #6593
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Why would you trust ANYTHING a dying brain has to say? It's in possibly the most fcked up state imaginable. I'd wager a brain on LSD has more reliable testimony than a dying brain.

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you never discuss politics, religion or finances. It truly is an exercise in futility.
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I really dont understand why members in the community keep this thing running!
You don't like that people are posting in the religion thread, and the best course of action is clearly to... post in the religion thread?

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If the CPU in your computer fails, does the software disappear? No it just stops working, it's still there on the HD. Some of us think we are similar in that we have both a physical body and a spirit body and that the spirit body separates from the physical body when the physical body dies.
Now, would you care to tie that last part back to the computer analogy?


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Why would you trust ANYTHING a dying brain has to say? It's in possibly the most fcked up state imaginable. I'd wager a brain on LSD has more reliable testimony than a dying brain.
Well I was once LDS but I left that religion at about the age of 17 when I thought there were just too many things wrong about it, they may have confused me too much.

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Now, would you care to tie that last part back to the computer analogy?
Yes, in a computer it's brain is the CPU, the software is on the HD, the computer is useless without software, the software is loaded into memory and the CPU runs the instructions. If the CPU and or memory fails then the computer stops working, but the software would still exist on the HD. You could remove the HD and put it in another computer and not have lost what's on it.

So I was implying that if it were true that we have both a spirit body and a physical body (most religions believe this) the brain may be just an interface between the physical body and the spirit body, and our knowledge and experience may really be stored in the spirit body and not in the brain.

It can't be proven, but if it were true then it would be a possible explanation for NDE/OBE/ghosts/reincarnation.

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So you think software can exist without hardware?
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Well I was once LDS but I left that religion at about the age of 17 when I thought there were just too many things wrong about it, they may have confused me too much.



Yes, in a computer it's brain is the CPU, the software is on the HD, the computer is useless without software, the software is loaded into memory and the CPU runs the instructions. If the CPU and or memory fails then the computer stops working, but the software would still exist on the HD. You could remove the HD and put it in another computer and not have lost what's on it.

So I was implying that if it were true that we have both a spirit body and a physical body (most religions believe this) the brain may be just an interface between the physical body and the spirit body, and our knowledge and experience may really be stored in the spirit body and not in the brain.

It can't be proven, but if it were true then it would be a possible explanation for NDE/OBE/ghosts/reincarnation.

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I've also thought about the 'your brain as an interface' idea. It's actually the one that seems the most logical to me if there is something 'special' about life. Assuming that there is a soul or consciousness in another dimension, or on another 'level' I could easily see the brain as the 'keyboard and mouse' allowing the soul to interact with the world.

The brain might also act as temporary storage so to speak. The soul acting as the overall consciousness(what allows you to sit here pondering this), and the brain is used for storage of memories and individual experiences of the person. That would explain occurrences such as amnesia where the person is still 'here', but they've lost their memories due to brain damage. This idea of course opens the door to theories on reincarnation and such. That is to say that once one host 'dies' the spirit will then attach to another.

As if that all wasn't crazy enough sounding, I've heard some pretty crazy theories about Quantum Consciousness. Not gonna go into the details here. Look it up on youtube if you're interested.

Lastly, I'll leave this here. Probably one of the most thought provoking things I've watched.


Hmmm. I probably spend too much time thinking about all of this.

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So you think software can exist without hardware?
It certainly can, how do you think it can be stored on a HD or CD or flash drive etc. I studied computer programming in college for three years as I did electronics. Now when we are talking about computer software, it can't function without the required hardware if that's what you mean, but it can still exist and be used later. I am not necessarily saying it works just this way with people, it's not a perfect analogy even if true, but I am comparing our knowledge and experience and possibly our consciousness to the software and our physical body to the hardware.

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Razako, how would a world in which consciousness is inherent to the brain alone look different to us than a world in which a soul interacts with a brain?

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[software] certainly can [exist without hardware], how do you think it can be stored on a HD or CD or flash drive etc.


I hate to break it to you, but Hard disks, CDs, and flash drives are all hardware.
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I hate to break it to you, but Hard disks, CDs, and flash drives are all hardware.
Well I am not sure I consider a CD hardware but yes you are correct, but they are all only storage devices. There was a time when software was stored on paper punch cards and then later on diskettes, it can also be transmitted over phone lines or radio, but yes you are correct in that software at least requires some method of storage.

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I imagine it is something like a cloud server synced desktop PC. The brain is, on top of it's other functions, an interface to another "dimension"(for lack of better wording) where the "soul/essence" of each person also exists.

A person dying would be like if the PC was physically destroyed. The files still do exist on a cloud server somewhere, but the PC's users would no longer have any access to them.

So when a person's brain dies, the link is severed, the "syncing" stops, and although they still exist in the other "dimension", they no longer exist in our own.
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Well I am not sure I consider a CD hardware but yes you are correct, but they are all only storage devices. There was a time when software was stored on paper punch cards and then later on diskettes, it can also be transmitted over phone lines or radio, but yes you are correct in that software at least requires some method of storage.

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Correct.

So, if the brain is the hardware storing the software, and its cremated, so is the software installed on it.



Nothing to store the code, no code.

The synapses etc, are chemical and physical in nature....not supernatural.

The "code" on its simplest terms is merely the way the neuron firing is ordered.

Destroy the synapses, and, there's no code stored.

You are your code essentially. You were programmed by a combination of nature and nurture to be who you are.

You inherited genes that gave you propensities, and, had experiences that shaped the final outcome.

All of that is physical, stored in your physical body.


Your ability to speak, via a FOX series gene for example, (not Volpes type fox, gene type FOX), is inherited. What language you speak, your vocabulary, your love or hate of prose, what you wanted to be when you grew up....that's who you are.

When you finally decompose, so does your code.

If your cells are harvested, you can be cloned. You have billions of cells, so, we could make billions of you. They'd all be similar, but, due to the nurture parts, different in final outcome.

If we make billions of you, do each of you have a billionth or so of your soul?

If I take one of you, say, you, and cut you in half....do both halves have your soul, or half?

If cloning you multiplies the souls, are doctors able to create souls....or does a supernatural being sit there watching individuals cells and assigning them each a soul so if cloned into a new you, they have one?

Does the supernatural soul assigner wait to see if its going to BE a person, or assign the souls as soon as they exist? What if two of your cells die in the petry dish?

Would there be two ghosts, or just one? Or billions of ghosts, one for each cell?


Which ghost is "you"?

Would the resultant ghost be microscopic?

Would they endlessly wander the face of the microscope slide rattling their amino acid chains, waiting for redemption?

Would some of the cells make a living convincing other cells to pay them to communicate with the dead cells? A sort of microscopic parasite...?



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So, if the brain is the hardware storing the software, and its cremated, so is the software installed on it.



Nothing to store the code, no code.

The synapses etc, are chemical and physical in nature....not supernatural.

The "code" on its simplest terms is merely the way the neuron firing is ordered.

Destroy the synapses, and, there's no code stored.

You are your code essentially. You were programmed by a combination of nature and nurture to be who you are.

You inherited genes that gave you propensities, and, had experiences that shaped the final outcome.

All of that is physical, stored in your physical body.


Your ability to speak, via a FOX series gene for example, (not Volpes type fox, gene type FOX), is inherited. What language you speak, your vocabulary, your love or hate of prose, what you wanted to be when you grew up....that's who you are.

When you finally decompose, so does your code.

If your cells are harvested, you can be cloned. You have billions of cells, so, we could make billions of you. They'd all be similar, but, due to the nurture parts, different in final outcome.

If we make billions of you, do each of you have a billionth or so of your soul?

If I take one of you, say, you, and cut you in half....do both halves have your soul, or half?

If cloning you multiplies the souls, are doctors able to create souls....or does a supernatural being sit there watching individuals cells and assigning them each a soul so if cloned into a new you, they have one?

Would there be two ghosts, or just one? Or billions of ghosts, one for each cell?

Which cell is "you"?

Would the resultant ghost be microscopic?


These are all assumptions and speculation, there is no proof of any of that.

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Correct.

So, if the brain is the hardware storing the software, and its cremated, so is the software installed on it.



Nothing to store the code, no code.

The synapses etc, are chemical and physical in nature....not supernatural.

The "code" on its simplest terms is merely the way the neuron firing is ordered.

Destroy the synapses, and, there's no code stored.

You are your code essentially. You were programmed by a combination of nature and nurture to be who you are.

You inherited genes that gave you propensities, and, had experiences that shaped the final outcome.

All of that is physical, stored in your physical body.


Your ability to speak, via a FOX series gene for example, (not Volpes type fox, gene type FOX), is inherited. What language you speak, your vocabulary, your love or hate of prose, what you wanted to be when you grew up....that's who you are.

When you finally decompose, so does your code.

If your cells are harvested, you can be cloned. You have billions of cells, so, we could make billions of you. They'd all be similar, but, due to the nurture parts, different in final outcome.

If we make billions of you, do each of you have a billionth or so of your soul?

If I take one of you, say, you, and cut you in half....do both halves have your soul, or half?

If cloning you multiplies the souls, are doctors able to create souls....or does a supernatural being sit there watching individuals cells and assigning them each a soul so if cloned into a new you, they have one?

Does the supernatural soul assigner wait to see if its going to BE a person, or assign the souls as soon as they exist? What if two of your cells die in the petry dish?

Would there be two ghosts, or just one? Or billions of ghosts, one for each cell?

Which cell is "you"?

Would the resultant ghost be microscopic?


Well that's assuming you see the brain as the hardware rather than as the software, with the soul being the processor. IE a webcam on your computer. The webcam akin to your eyes, and the program allowing the processor to interpret the webcam would be the brain. Of course none of this stuff can be proven, but neither can the "we're nothing but a bunch of electrochemical impulses " viewpoint.

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Well that's assuming you see the brain as the hardware rather than as the software, with the soul being the processor. IE a webcam on your computer. The webcam akin to your eyes, and the program allowing the processor to interpret the webcam would be the brain. Of course none of this stuff can be proven, but neither can the "we're nothing but a bunch of electrochemical impulses " viewpoint.
Sooo, we can remove your brain, and, you can still think?

Experimentally, this is not true.




For example, earthworms and rats, even amoebae, etc, can solve simple problems. Do they have souls to process the input? Some have brains, and some have very simple nervous systems with no real brain...and some merely have reactive code floating in protoplasm, etc.

There's ghosts of amoeba too now?

What about BOOcteria?

Can we take an anti-BOOcterial to exorcize us of the ghosts of the dead germs we killed?


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Of course none of this stuff can be proven, but neither can the "we're nothing but a bunch of electrochemical impulses " viewpoint.
I disagree. The science points to exactly that, thusfar. We can watch thoughts on MRIs and alter thoughts, feelings, and consciousness with electrics and chemistry.

Introducing a supernatural element just complicates things by trying to solve a mystery by appealing to an even bigger mystery.
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Sooo, we can remove your brain, and, you can still think?

Experimentally, this is not true.




For example, earthworms and rats, even amoebae, etc, can solve simple problems. Do they have souls to process the input?

There's ghosts of amoeba too now?

Well yeah, cause it's currently impossible to remove the brain and not kill the person. Otherwise we'd see brain transplants and such.

Earthworms, rats and amoebae aren't self aware. They don't even know that they exist for all we know. They certainly don't wonder what the heck they're doing here and why they're able to think about it. Everything they do is dictated by basic survival instincts and correlations between actions and reactions.
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Well yeah, cause it's currently impossible to remove the brain and not kill the person. Otherwise we'd see brain transplants and such.

Earthworms, rats and amoebae aren't self aware. They don't even know that they exist for all we know. They certainly don't wonder what the heck they're doing here and why they're able to think about it. Everything they do is dictated by basic survival instincts and correlations between actions and reactions.
OK, so, to be alive, and have a soul, something has to be self aware?

OK, an orangutan can see itself in a mirror, and, if you walk behind it, it sees you in the mirror, and understands that you are not in the mirror, but, behind, because its aware that the mirror is a reflection.

A raven can see milk bottles, and goes and gets a stick to poke a hole in the foil cap, to get the milk out.

Did they inherit knowledge of what a mirror or milk bottle were?

In japan, some monkeys ride deer, and in other places, they use rocks to break open nuts, and, look for rocks that will work best for a particular nut.

In other places, some monkeys place stones in special trees, and gather around them and make noises and dance before going out on raids.

Some sharpen sticks on rocks, to use to get into rotten logs...and so forth and so on...and save them to reuse.

So, while there IS a huge leap from finding or making simple tools, to programming a computer...the same hominids made that leap. (US)

We too made simple tools, and then progressively more complicated ones...but, the brains seem to have been the same for a very very long time....we just added more and more knowledge, and became progressively more and more specialized.

The hardware essentially stayed about the same, but our code was improved.

The code was knowledge and expertise added to, by people, over a long period of time.

You might not know how to knap flint...but, someone figured it out, and, one day, it meant we can type stuff online.


PS - The first brain transplants are already in the planning stages....for humans, they've already done some other mammals. They started with transplanting sections of one brain into another brain, etc.

The largest hurdle was finding ways to mend nerve connections, and the process has tremendous promise to help quadriplegics/those with severe spinal cord injuries/battle casualties, etc.

Replacing the body, IE: A head transplant, is also in the cards.

The people who had their heads cryogenically preserved are COUNTING on this technology to allow their heads to one day be installed on new bodies.






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