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A major issue I have, is with the veracity of the bible.

Example:

The bible says there was a global flood, but, there wasn't.

So, the bible is wrong as far as history goes. It describes another culture's myth as if it happened, and mainly just substitutes Jews as characters.

If that can be wrong, in a book that claims its 100% true, then, the rest is as suspect.

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The party that tells us that the bible is 100% true, was the Catholic Church. This party also says god essentially whispered the words into their ears, so its 100% accurate, and not (NOT) just written by men...but by GOD, and merely transcribed by men. They tell us that JESUS APPOINTED THE FIRST POPE.

They tell us that the Pope is GOD'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE ON EARTH...and the pope is conveying god's wishes/words to the rest of mankind.

This same party burned/murdered/tortured people for saying things such as that the earth went around the sun, the earth was round, the earth wasn't the center of the universe, and other things which turned out to be true....as well as for being warlocks or witches, which turned out to be false.


MEN (Clergy) would not know they were true, back then, unless omniscient....or even just mere scientists:

Even scientists back in ancient Egypt or India, etc, knew that the earth was a sphere and not flat, that the earth went around the sun, that the moon went around the earth...in BC times, they already knew the circumference of the earth, the circumference of the moon, and the distance from the earth to the moon, to within about 2%...and that's using "camel days" and sticks, etc, as their measurement means.

So, over a millennia AFTER human scientists already KNEW that the earth orbited the sun, the church was saying it didn't...as GOD'S WORD.



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So, we have a corrupt organization as THE ONLY source of the Jesus stories, and the ONLY SOURCE claiming their validity and infallibility.


They later back pedaled and reduced the "god's part" to certain official documents, and that they can be wrong otherwise...but never updated the other crap that Christians think is true because they were told it is...by a party most of them (Other Christians), ironically, think is full of crap. (And who - historically, have been PROVEN to be wrong, dramatically and fundamentally)


So, we have the claim that there was a global flood, and zero evidence of it, at all, and, further, overwhelmingly solid evidence against it.

And, We have the word of god, according to a corrupt pack of liars...who swear its true.

Finally, we have the "Flock" of sheeples (Lambles?) who are TOLD that they must not stop believing what the Catholic Church said is true...even if they stop believing that the Catholic Church actually represents god here on earth...somehow, they have to believe what they said...WITHOUT DIVINE AUTHORITY.

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makes me wonder why god didnt use more magic to prevent people from naming the rebuilt city tyre, then there might be less question

you also forgot the "sought but never found" part of the prophesy-fail

netflix somehow figured out my new debit card number, and renewed without me knowing, so I have it for another month. cancelled now but I'll tell you what, I will watch this movie. even if they can prove that a group of people left eqypt, they have a long way to go to prove it was the god of the bible that did it and used magic to do so

speaking of the exodus story, in the story, pharaoh's magicians were able to turn staffs into serpents. why has this art been lost to modern magicians?

try deciding for yourself that murder is ok and let me know how far that gets you. you really think atheists go around, individually deciding what is right and wrong? if that were the case, you'd expect more of them to end up in prison. as it stands, a way higher percentage of believers end up there than atheists. how could that be if your "objective morals" are so much better? my opinion is that believing creates justification for doing evil in god's name, with his endorsement. an example would be the crusades or a christian shooting up an abortion clinic.

you really seem to be encountering a mental block in regard to this morality stuff. it really isnt so complicated

can you explain how a non-christian and non-jewish and non-islamic society could arrive at the conclusion that stealing killing are wrong without knowledge of your god or the bible? doesnt that seem to indicate god is not the source? if morality is subjective and everyone decides for themselves, why do so many different people seem to come up with such similar ideas regarding morality?

"Being just matter that chanced it's way into order, why do our actions even matter in life."

you're right. i awaken to discover I have self awareness. an insatiable curiosity about the universe. the ability to experience emotions. I discover others around me with the same ability, but different perspective. but you know what? with no magic sky daddy to tell me what to do and let me live forever for being a good boy and not questioning him, what's the point? you're totally right, I'll just go blow my brains out now, I mean, if my existence/actions doesnt matter forever, why should it matter for even one more second? it took billions of years for a mind to develop with the ability to gaze out into the cosmos and wonder about it's future and fate, and possibly for the first time, do something about it. better squander this gift since it might not matter and was just dumb luck anyway

what a daft question

some of those are ok there visiblegreen. my favorite:

why do women love jesus?
because he's hung like this! (joke teller holds out arms, imitating jesus on cross)
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Q: What do you call a nun in a wheelchair? A: Virgin Mobile.

Hell yeah I'm a catholic i've been addicted to cats my whole life

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Well if we are going to share jokes then I have a really good one, I don't have the original text so I'll try to tell it from memory, I might have posted this before but I don't think I did, let me first say that I have nothing against Mormons, they are a good people who are always willing to help others but I am not quite in agreement with some of their beliefs. Here is the joke:

There were these two Utah mountain lions that met in the wilderness one day after not seeing each other for several years. Dave was fat and healthy, and Joe was famished.
"Joe you don't look so good, are you getting enough to eat?"
"Yes Dave, I catch lots of Mormons but I just can't seem to gain any weight."
"Well let me see you in action, maybe you're just not doing it right."
So they go off to Joe's favorite hunting ground by a trail and wait for a Mormon, finally a Mormon comes walking down the trail, Joe jumps out from behind a boulder and with a ferocious roar he kills and devours the Mormon. Dave says:
"Joe I see your problem, you're scaring them too much, when you scare the crap out of a Mormon there isn't much left."

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I just want to respond to this one question/statement: It matters now, that's more than enough reason to me.
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I just want to respond to this one question/statement: It matters now, that's more than enough reason to me.
I have to say that that is not good enough for me. I have done nothing too spectacular, but I hope I have at least been mostly a positive influence in the lives of others. My contribution to the human race is like a grain of sand from the sands of 60,000 Ganges rivers, but if the human race is one day gone forever then nothing we did will have mattered unless we leave behind something for other races to learn from or if we create something to replace us.

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ok so I watched the film. i see it hasnt been out for too long, so it might be some time before a comprehensive answer to the slew of claims is given by those who have the time and motive to do so. I'm hoping it will prove to be kinda like kent hovind, who can seem scientific and convincing, but upon deeper examination breaks apart. when I was younger it was kent hoving who was responsible for keeping me a believer, a fact I am ashamed of now. since then I've watched numerous videos that break down his individual claims and find them false and misleading, sometimes deliberately. he uses a similar tactic of a bombardment of seemingly credible claims. I'll look for one in the near future. for now I will not dispute the films individual claims. I did find this, much of which i agree with, though I think dillahunty is not the most articulate skeptic and I would like to see a more comprehensive look.



one thing the film and people in it forgot to mention was that it was god who hardened the pharaoh's heart. so much for free will. they also seem to affirm that slavery is morally wrong, describing the suffering of the isrealites under it, but fail to mention that the isrealites go on to enslave others later. moses gives the ten commandments which include do not kill, then immediately has some of the isrealites kill eachother before setting off to kill other people en mass. so has god really established killing and slavery as objectively wrong? absolutely not. it's subjective and based on god's whim, ie., it's arbitrary
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Yeah, there are no morals in the bible that did not exist before the bible.

Some people have been hoodwinked into thinking that the 10 commandments for example is the basis for secular modern law...which it is not.

It is closer to Sharia Law of course (Examples closer to Sharia Law in Parenthesis).

1) You can't have OTHER gods. (Sharia, not US Law)

2) You can't make a likeness/graven image (Sharia, Not US Law)

3) Can't take my name in vain (Sharia, Not US Law)

4) Remember the Sabbath (Sharia, Not US Law controls when to worship - And ignored in US except by a minority of Jews, etc, and observed only for religious, not moral, reasons)

5) Honor Mom and Dad (Sharia, Not US Law, also in other ancient laws predating the bible)

6) Thou Shall Not Kill (Sharia and US Law, but subjective not objective, and, Hammurabi Code, etc, said it before bible)

7) No Adultery Allowed (Sharia, Not US Law, except in a few states that had fundamentalist christian legal influences, the way Sharia Law did in other countries...)

8) No Stealing Allowed (Sharia and most country's laws, and, all known laws before the bible said it first.)

9) Thou shall not bear false witness (Sharia Law, US Law, and, all known before bible (Hammurabi, etc).

10) Thou shall not covet (Sharia Law, Not US Law...and, a "thought crime".)


So, the "Moral Code" god was supposed to have given the Jews, already existed before god made Moses chisel the 10 commandments.

For all intents and purposes, its Sharia Law.

Of course, there are more items in Sharia Law than that, but most are similar in scope and nature to the commandments, just as in Hammurabi's Code, and other ancient attempts to codify morality and ethics, etc....that predated the bible.

Christianity is essentially a version of Judaism...repackaged to sell in the time of its invention decades after the proposed death of the proposed "Savior" ...and is mostly just repurposed ancient propaganda and myths.

So, Christianity added ZERO to the moral frame work of humanity. It essentially copied already existing "morality" available by the Bronze Age, added nothing to it....and pretended it invented it.


Concepts such as loving others as yourself, "The Golden Rule", etc, ALL predate the bibles, old and new....and are also in the Koran for example too.

Christianity contributed no known morality or ethics. It simply changed the requirements to WORSHIP their version of a supernatural power, instead of the powers/parties they copied from.

They did add the carrot/stick...in that they ALSO say if you DON'T believe you will be tortured forever after you die...and if you DO believe, you will live in heaven and be happy forever and ever after you die.

So many are so freakin scared of "not existing", that the promise of an afterlife is desperately clung to, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of it being BS...as if their afterlives depended upon it.

They think they (individually) are SO important, that a being that created the entire universe cares about THEM, loves them, and will take care of them forever...

...while simultaneously thinking that those who think they (individually) will simply be dead after they die are "arrogant" for thinking that.



The idea of not existing is so depressing to them, that they not only can't IMAGINE living, they can't IMAGINE OTHERS wanting to live either.

If you devote your existence to a being who's sole concern seems to be a need to be believed in...to me, that's not a meaningful life either...that's living for the belief greedy being.

If you devote your life to LIFE, then, I think, your life can have more meaning, and, perhaps its why atheists find their OWN meaning to their own lives, without being TOLD what gives their lives meaning.

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I have to say that that is not good enough for me. I have done nothing too spectacular, but I hope I have at least been mostly a positive influence in the lives of others. My contribution to the human race is like a grain of sand from the sands of 60,000 Ganges rivers, but if the human race is one day gone forever then nothing we did will have mattered unless we leave behind something for other races to learn from or if we create something to replace us.

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I know what you mean...but, remember, even if we leave behind a remnant of our civilization...YOUR contribution to it is likely to have been lost in those sands of time.

YOUR LIFE is the one you have, guaranteed. Any OTHER life you may have is pure speculation...its NOT guaranteed.

Its not only not guaranteed that you get "more life after you die", its more along the lines of being guaranteed that you won't - as there's zero reliable evidence of more life after you die.

So WANTING IT really really badly doesn't make it true.

You need to make your life count as best you can....BECAUSE its the only one you get.


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Not wanting to live, because you will one day die, is a waste of a gift from the universe.



Wanting to live, because you can, and not because it won't end, is how you honor that gift. Its akin to not watching a game on TV, or going for a hike, etc, or whatever you like to do, because its going to end.

If you have a dog, even though you know it will die, is it worth it to have it? Is it worth asking a girl out on a date even though you have no idea if the relationship will blossom or last?


Life is a rare thing. We don't even know if our planet is the only one it happened on...wasting that is a terrible shame.

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As for trying to leave something that might, one day, be found by another civilization...I am all for it.

Giving THAT civilization the gift of knowing (KNOWING) that other life was out there, at least at some point, would be incredible.

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I have to say that that is not good enough for me. I have done nothing too spectacular, but I hope I have at least been mostly a positive influence in the lives of others. My contribution to the human race is like a grain of sand from the sands of 60,000 Ganges rivers, but if the human race is one day gone forever then nothing we did will have mattered unless we leave behind something for other races to learn from or if we create something to replace us.
I too, agree with Teej.

This standard is soft. The "significance" of an individual's legacy is dependent on what that individual does, the longevity of his civilization and the impact that that civilization/race/species has on future existences. That influence could span incredible duration and even other dimensions, but you could always step back far enough and say "from this perspective" nothing maters. I think that becomes specious.

Philosophy has probably existed for tens of thousands of years and maybe more. Codes of conduct that incorporate supernatural rewards and punishment have probably been around for as long. Did you know that the construction of the foundation of the Spinx may be 10-20,000 years old? Any civilization that could coordinate that would likely have codified behaviors as well.

For example, socialism is fantastic if everyone follows the philosophy even in thought, but it is even better, for me if I am not restrained within that system, but everyone else is. It's still OK if a few of us are able to operate in our own self interest while living within that system, but as others notice and then emulate us, the system breaks down. Religions can apply pressure for the individual to conform to the global system, it may even be to the net benefit of the individual who would have otherwise acted in his own self interest.
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if as you say God does not exist, then why does it bother you so much?
Religion would be tolerable if it was purely a private affair. However, it invariably wiggles itself into politics, the workplace, and the science classroom.

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If it's not true then I will disappear into the 'ether' when I die with no consequence to me personally
In your life: How many hours have you prayed? How many hours were spent in church? How many thousands of dollars went into the collection plate?

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If it's all true, I am once again content knowing I will spend eternity with my Lord and Saviour.
You're trying to invoke pascal's wager? That's been thoroughly explained as bullshit.

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An example from me would be from my worldview, we're trying to get an answer from yours.
Objectivity is independent of worldviews, is it not?
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I'm ashamed to say, I haven't prayed enough, I haven't spent much time in church and I haven't given enough money to the collection plate.

On those counts I do fall very short.

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Yup.

If an objective moral, no context applies, or interpretation needed....and a worldview would not be relevant or needed.


The other potential pascal wager problem is that it apples to all religions.

Christians assume it's their religion that you should believe in "just in case", because to them...the world revolves around them....and they'd be unlikely to take their own advice if told to accept Islam, "Just in case"...or any other religions.

So it's not just choosing either Jesus or Atheism. It's choosing atheism or Jesus or Mohammad or Allah or whatever too, using the same faulty logic.

It's not two choices.

If the other choices are all right...there might be 100's of religions you should believe in, just in case ONE OF THEM is actually right.

You say yours is the only right choice...because your book says it is.

They say theirs is the only right choice...because their book says it is.

You and I say all of those claiming to be the only way are wrong.

We agree 100% on them all being wrong.

You, of course, feel your way is the only exception. As do they about their way.

I simply feel one single more of the group is wrong than you do.

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I'm ashamed to say, I haven't prayed enough, I haven't spent much time in church and I haven't given enough money to the collection plate.

On those counts I do fall very short.


You probably didn't pray enough because no amount would change the mind of an omniscient being who knew what he was going to do before you suggested or begged him to do differently.

You probably didn't spend more time in church because things that actually mattered took precedence.

You probably didn't give more money to the collection plate because you could not afford to without sacrificing funds needed for things that took precedence.

IE: Real life, and responsibilities to your family and self actualization were prioritized over sacrifices to an omnipotent being
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