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@mgc8 we got it! your totally turned off by the Lord and religion... what's next for you? How about some laser builds or something other than belittling people for anything other than being faithful.

I'm a hard worker as most of my congregation paying bills, raising a family, not looking for a hand out. How about some support ANYTHING POSITIVE?

When was the last time a group of agnostic (you including) set out to do some good neighborly gestures?. Even helping an elderly person to get a hot meal, giving last rights to someone dying, shelter for the abused what ever. Don't hear you mentioning that.

I've gone out of my way to be generous in all I do. I do these thing out of a compelling need to serve others before myself... I know, sucker, right!
NO... just faithful.

It sounds like you take for granted the work that religious people do as ministries. I was raised in a very poor house some nights if not for the contributions of others I wouldn't have food for dinner or clothes for school.(Thank you Comer's).

I don't mean to sound bitter, I respect the fact that you have this undying need to put Christians in there place... I got it. The Fact remains that you did not read the OP in saying no flaming ones believes. If you did I apologize. If not then I would suggest in please honoring that.

In closing Matt Groening is not someone you would want baby sitting your kids and he I believe is a ordained Pagan priest IIRC so your pun is so ineffective at least to me.

I see that you have some serious thought put into your prior post. I respect your opinion and know that you are a good forum corresponder.

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@mgc8 we got it! your totally turned off by the Lord and religion... what's next for you? How about some laser builds or something other than belittling people for anything other than being faithful.

I'm a hard worker as most of my congregation paying bills, raising a family, not looking for a hand out. How about some support ANYTHING POSITIVE?

When was the last time a group of agnostic (you including) set out to do some good neighborly gestures?. Even helping an elderly person to get a hot meal, giving last rights to someone dying, shelter for the abused what ever. Don't hear you mentioning that.

I've gone out of my way to be generous in all I do. I do these thing out of a compelling need to serve others before myself... I know, sucker, right!
NO... just faithful.

It sounds like you take for granted the work that religious people do as ministries. I was raised in a very poor house some nights if not for the contributions of others I wouldn't have food for dinner or clothes for school.(Thank you Comer's).

I don't mean to sound bitter, I respect the fact that you have this undying need to put Christians in there place... I got it. The Fact remains that you did not read the OP in saying no flaming ones believes. If you did I apologize. If not then I would suggest in please honoring that.

In closing Matt Groening is not someone you would want baby sitting your kids and he I believe is a ordained Pagan priest IIRC so your pun is so ineffective at least to me.

I see that you have some serious thought put into your prior post. I respect your opinion and know that you are a good forum corresponder.

Have a good Day jander6442.


I think you are mistaking atheists for evil doers or something like that. The fact that he is not a christian doesn't mean he goes around killing people just for fun and "oh because there's no devil and I can do what I want". I fact he's a guy who seems to have his mind straight. If he does something for another living being he probably does it because he wants to and not because he feels that a god would get mad if he didn't.
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Funny you haven't commented on any of the other irreverent images I've posted about other religions . . . . .

I am an equal opportunity offender

Xtians and mooslims are just more fun because they raise their hackles much more quickly and significanly more vociferously than most other dogmatics.

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not so much on the image... just the statement that follows.

Sorry on the confusion. I should have posted in more detail.

You still didn't recognize the wishes of member villiageidiot post on
not to carry about vindictive statement on others believes.

As you said though your an equal opportunity offender.<snirk>
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When was the last time a group of agnostic (you including) set out to do some good neighborly gestures?. Even helping an elderly person to get a hot meal, giving last rights to someone dying, shelter for the abused what ever. Don't hear you mentioning that.
You seem to be laboring under the mistaken idea that Xtians: 1) are in the majority in the world: and 2) that the majority of people (all non-Xtians) in the world do NOT do good deeds for others.

Athiests, agnostics, muslims, budahists, santarians, satanists, wiccans, druids, taoists, and hundreds of other religious traditions have adherents that do good works without ever considering what jesus would think about it.

As near as I can tell from historical data though, the Xtians are the only ones who have ever mounted extensive crusades, aimed at eliminating another religion, in the name of their god (although the mooslofaciasts may be headed in that direction)

There have been other attempted genicides, but not in the name of a god.

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You seem to be laboring under the mistaken idea that Xtians: 1) are in the majority in the world: and 2) that the majority of people (all non-Xtians) in the world do NOT do good deeds for others.

Athiests, agnostics, muslims, budahists, santarians, satanists, wiccans, druids, taoists, and hundreds of other religious traditions have adherents that do good works without ever considering what jesus would think about it.

As near as I can tell from historical data though, the Xtians are the only ones who have ever mounted extensive crusades, aimed at eliminating another religion, in the name of their god (although the mooslofaciasts may be headed in that direction)

There have been other attempted genicides, but not in the name of a god.

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In attempting to respond, it seems to me that the passion you display
for all thing against the Lord is now grasping.

You all have turned a thread that was meant to post on what your religion is, if any, into dare to post that you believe in God or any religion.

Lets kick people of faith in the nuts for just having faith (what ever it may be).

So... without going back and paste copying all my post since you don't read them anyway (unbiased). I'll spare you all any more responses to what religion I am or why I love God and Jesus to say that through it all, I respected your opinions and still do. (more than you did me)

Keep thinking the way you do. People are animals and some are more enlighten than others to the fact that nowadays if you believe in God...
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In attempting to respond, it seems to me that the passion you display
for all thing against the Lord is now grasping.

You all have turned a thread that was meant to post on what your religion is, if any, into dare to post that you believe in God or any religion.

Lets kick people of faith in the nuts for just having faith (what ever it may be).

So... without going back and paste copying all my post since you don't read them anyway (unbiased). I'll spare you all any more responses to what religion I am or why I love God and Jesus to say that through it all, I respected your opinions and still do. (more than you did me)

Keep thinking the way you do. People are animals and some are more enlighten than others to the fact that nowadays if you believe in God...
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@jander, i apologize if that statement seemed harsh; what i meant was:
-how can something "appear to have 'happened without explanation'" when there's already a sensible one?
-what's wrong with figuring things out when science is a way of figuring things out? science is an ever progressing field; there will always be things to be understood. some bible readers might find that disappointing, but not scientists.

but then again, since you didn't mention evolution as "just a theory", i can't say you have no knowledge of science at all.
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@mgc8 we got it! your totally turned off by the Lord and religion... what's next for you? How about some laser builds or something other than belittling people for anything other than being faithful.

I'm a hard worker as most of my congregation paying bills, raising a family, not looking for a hand out. How about some support ANYTHING POSITIVE?

When was the last time a group of agnostic (you including) set out to do some good neighborly gestures?. Even helping an elderly person to get a hot meal, giving last rights to someone dying, shelter for the abused what ever. Don't hear you mentioning that.

I've gone out of my way to be generous in all I do. I do these thing out of a compelling need to serve others before myself... I know, sucker, right!
NO... just faithful.

It sounds like you take for granted the work that religious people do as ministries. I was raised in a very poor house some nights if not for the contributions of others I wouldn't have food for dinner or clothes for school.(Thank you Comer's).

I don't mean to sound bitter, I respect the fact that you have this undying need to put Christians in there place... I got it. The Fact remains that you did not read the OP in saying no flaming ones believes. If you did I apologize. If not then I would suggest in please honoring that.

In closing Matt Groening is not someone you would want baby sitting your kids and he I believe is a ordained Pagan priest IIRC so your pun is so ineffective at least to me.

I see that you have some serious thought put into your prior post. I respect your opinion and know that you are a good forum corresponder.

Have a good Day jander6442.
haha yeah thats pushing it a bit... Christians have no duty to help the poor and "be good citizens". Anyone can do that.

@Primary: I realize I am no scientist. But I also realize that I am man, just as all scientists, all church goers, all leaders are man. Which means I (we) am(are) quite flawed. Which means we don't know everything, and can't. I was merely using lightning as an example as to show how something we've been around forever, has still been able to escape our grasp of understanding.

And about thermodynamics... one of the laws states, that everything goes from order to disorder. This has to do with the Earth's natural inclination towards equilibrium .

So I ask you, how is it that life comes about with this law in place? How is it that life is a result of the Destruction of bio chems and amino acids? I say its not. I say life can never come about on its own. No perfect combination of chemicals can bring the "soup" to life. I see Creation and say, only the intentions of an all sovereign God could have done all this. And that's ok that I say that. This is why I believe what I do. Attack me and my beliefs if you must, but its not going to make anyone here an better or even worse person.

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@jander, i apologize if that statement seemed harsh; what i meant was:
-how can something "appear to have 'happened without explanation'" when there's already a sensible one?
-what's wrong with figuring things out when science is a way of figuring things out? science is an ever progressing field; there will always be things to be understood. some bible readers might find that disappointing, but not scientists.

but then again, since you didn't mention evolution as "just a theory", i can't say you have no knowledge of science at all.
Unfortunately for you, I would still argue Evolution as theory even if I were an agnostic. The theory is far too debatable. There are way too many scientists, Christian and not, that do not accept it like everyone else might want them to. Theory becomes fact when the evidence used to prove it, is accepted by all, not some.

As a Christian, I can say that God created. He made from nothing, something. (might explain where the "something" came from in order for the big bang to take place). But I cannot say how God created. That matter is something I can live on without even knowing. If science proves how, then great! I be able to see how God created! That would be wonderful, but yet knowing so, will not better me as a person. I am just a man, with a heart and sinful hands.

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Your and Dave's words not mine. Yet another kick in the nuts... at this rate I'll be lucky to have another litter...I mean children. J/K

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as for thermodynamics, the law you are referring to states that entropy always increase in the universe, or any isolated systems where matter and energy are not being exchagned. Earth is not an isolated system; it gets energy from the sun. In our case, enthalpy outweighs entropy, so the net free energy is still negative, making the process spontaneous.

imaging jumping up; does that defy the laws of gravity?

as for evolution, scientists are not debating whether it happened or not, we are debating the details of how it happens. Gradual synthesis versus punctuated equilibrium. No matter which one mechanism turns out to be more common, evolution is only strengthened.
Revising makes a theory better, not weaker.

But you are right, not all people will accept is as true no matter how much evidence we have. Just like them holocaust deniers.
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I am a Unitarian Universalist, in other words.... Daguin toss me a beer!
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Woohoo! Yes, someone who knows their thermo AND how to apply it correctly! Earth is not a closed system, we have energy input!

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Your and Dave's words not mine. Yet another kick in the nuts... at this rate I'll be lucky to have another litter...I mean children. J/K
Niko, do you get a commission check for these post... seems that for someone to post so diligently on anti religion you must have a reason. No bullsh*t U can tell me... bUddy.
I don't believe I have ever mentioned animals herein, but no matter. It only becomes "personal" when you allow it to.

If you had read all of my posts (omiting directly reacting to your inability to read everything) you would notice that I don't give a turkey's wattle what you, or anyone else, believes. As long as you are not harming others (or yourselves unduly) in the name of that belief, I don't care.

Positing a challenge to your beliefs is not a personal attack on you unless your sense of self is totally dependent on the security of those beliefs. Pious gentlemen debate the existance of jesus without ever loosing faith.

Accept your faith for what it is -- FAITH -- and stop worrying about what anyone else says about it. It is your own insecurity in the belief that allow our questions to trouble you.

It is NOT the infallible word of god. If it was, there would NOT be different versions of it and it would not have changed through time. It is translations of translations (done by faulty humans) that are being "explained" by faulty humans to faulty humans.

If it can only be true if "everybody" agrees it is true, then you have lost already. You are not the majority.

Now, to enthalpy add infinite random variation over 4 billion years.

I am (as far as I know) therefore I am. Why would I need more?

Peace,
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I don't believe I have ever mentioned animals herein, but no matter. It only becomes "personal" when you allow it to.

If you had read all of my posts (omiting directly reacting to your inability to read everything) you would notice that I don't give a turkey's wattle what you, or anyone else, believes. As long as you are not harming others (or yourselves unduly) in the name of that belief, I don't care.

Positing a challenge to your beliefs is not a personal attack on you unless your sense of self is totally dependent on the security of those beliefs. Pious gentlemen debate the existance of jesus without ever loosing faith.

Accept your faith for what it is -- FAITH -- and stop worrying about what anyone else says about it. It is your own insecurity in the belief that allow our questions to trouble you.

It is NOT the infallible word of god. If it was, there would NOT be different versions of it and it would not have changed through time. It is translations of translations (done by faulty humans) that are being "explained" by faulty humans to faulty humans.

If it can only be true if "everybody" agrees it is true, then you have lost already. You are not the majority.

Now, to enthalpy add infinite random variation over 4 billion years.

I am (as far as I know) therefore I am. Why would I need more?

Peace,
dave

^ This!

This man should win a nobel prize for best answers ever.




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