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If God exists and his nature is good and unchanging. Then it follows that the morals provided are objective. This is not an impossibility. Also God is faithful to carry out his promises of blessing but he is also faithful to carry out is promises of judgment and wrath. God would not be good if he was not also just.




When humanity and the universe is dead, why will anything you have done mattered. And since you believe morals are subjective then you must also believe your moral superiority is also subjective, essentially you believe your morality is superior just because it is yours.

You're setting up a straw man for yourself with this "fear of hell" talk. If you believe in Christ you have no need to fear hell. If you don't believe in Christ you have no need to fear hell. You're talking to some strange combination of someone who believes in Christ yet rejects him.




It truly surprises me you would say this. This is a basic misunderstanding of Christianity. God's love has always been unconditional, but due to our free will our acceptance or rejection of it is not.

Also I challenge you to watch this documentary - Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus - It's on Netflix if you have it and I would like to see if you still believe there is no evidence for the exodus after watching it.



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In the absence of God, do objective morals and duties exist?
so it's "just" to kill Infants? are they beyond redemtion? I guess so, I can easily see how someone still shitting their pants is evil and deserving of death. god's nature does change though, I have pointed out several instances of policy shift by him, and I could point out places he is unjust too, displaying less than moral behavior, even as defined by himself

no I dont believe my morals are better just because they are mine. I believe they are demonstrably superior and that that could be measured

I'm not afraid of hell, I dont believe it exists. but christians are always telling me i should fear it, and they must be at least a little afraid of it or they wouldnt so credulously believe unsupported claims

stuff I do matters now. and maybe if humanity comes to accept that no diety is returning to save us from ourselves, we can focus on relocation before the sun runs out of hydrogen. if that happens then humanity wont die out and rejection of god will have saved us. if we dont kill eachother all off before then

I'm suprised you think unconditional love means that if we dont return it he can send us to hell. I dont think you understand what it means to have unconditional love. unless you are really gonna claim that god loves even those he sends to hell to SUFFER FOREVER

my netflix sub just expired, I opted to switch to HULU. is this movie a bunch of people who already believe going out to try to twist evidence to fit their conclusions, which they would believe with or without evidence?, or is it people following the evidence where it leads? because every time i watch believers try to establish credibility through evidence it's the former and they tend to get caught lying a lot

I can save you some time and prove at least one thing the bible predicted, that never happened, IE god was wrong or lied. the bible says that the city of Tyre would be destroyed and never rebuilt. shall I show you the city of Tyre on google maps?
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I have an idea guys. Let's keep deities out of the discussion as well as the definition of morality. It just ends up in a huge fight. I liked it when we were discussing the possibilities of the afterlife and such related discussions. It urged discussion rather than bickering.
I learned about the french scientist and that he was the guy I heard about all along with the severed head blinking. We should stick to those discussions.

Here's one to get us started. I saw a video on youtube with experiments of a severed dog head still alive and being kept so with artificial machines. Real or fake?

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I have an idea guys. Let's keep deities out of the discussion as well as the definition of morality. It just ends up in a huge fight. I liked it when we were discussing the possibilities of the afterlife and such related discussions. It urged discussion rather than bickering.
I learned about the french scientist and that he was the guy I heard about all along with the severed head blinking. We should stick to those discussions.

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Just in case NSFW!
I have posted that here a couple of times before but I think it was in other threads, that is a shortened version, the original video is about 20 minutes if I remember right. Yes it's real, it isn't fake, the Russians began those experiments in 1938 and developed the first heart-lung machine. Those experiments later continued with apes and then humans, there is Russian research going on today to keep human brains alive, somewhere in a secret lab in Russia they have human brains in jars connected to machines that are keeping them alive. They are planning to one day be able to transplant a human brain into a fully artifical body. There are others doing research now who believe they can now do the very first human head transplant. This is real and will happen. In order accomplish such incredible things, research is required that many would consider immoral or unethical.

Let me ask a question related to this, God limited mans life to 120 years, although there are certainly exceptions to every rule. If we could extend the human lifespan by a very long time would we be interfering with Gods plans for us humans? Or would he be proud of us for such an accomplishment? Would you want to live as long as you can?

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I have posted that here a couple of times before but I think it was in other threads, that is a shortened version, the original video is about 20 minutes if I remember right. Yes it's real, it isn't fake, the Russians began those experiments in 1938 and developed the first heart-lung machine. Those experiments later continued with apes and then humans, there is Russian research going on today to keep human brains alive, somewhere in a secret lab in Russia they have human brains in jars connected to machines that are keeping them alive. They are planning to one day be able to transplant a human brain into a fully artifical body. There are others doing research now who believe they can now do the very first human head transplant. This is real and will happen. In order accomplish such incredible things, research is required that many would consider immoral or unethical.

Let me ask a question related to this, God limited mans life to 120 years, although there are certainly exceptions to every rule. If we could extend the human lifespan by a very long time would we be interfering with Gods plans for us humans? Or would he be proud of us for such an accomplishment? Would you want to live as long as you can?

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interesting. It will be crazy to see what humans can pull off in my life time.

on your second point. I thought sin was why humans have such short lives? i thought people in the bible lived like 900 years because sin was less steeped in the gene pool or whatever. if our lifespans relate to how much sin we commit, then you'd think the life expectancy would be going down. with as much as christians say sin is taking over, what with all the gays and such, getting married as they please now. before many of the modern advancements in medicine, food production, etc, the life expectancy was much lower, so which accounts for the higher life expectancy now? scientific progress or less sin? for that matter, why don't sin free people live longer, like hundreds of years?

I dont think god would be at all proud of our accomploshments, all we should be concerned with is converting souls for jesus. remember last time humans worked together to achieve great things? god saw people woking together and said, "Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." had to put a damper on that shit right away. also seeing as god never revealed electricity or germ theory or atomic theory or heliocentric theory, it stands to reason he really could care less about our understanding of reality, even in ways that could greatly benefit the sick.

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The question is not "Must we believe in God to live moral lives?"

The question is "If God does not exist, do objective moral values and duties exist?"



Please feel free discuss, I won't logically cop out.

This is a compound question, so lets break it down to the several real questions being asked.

1) Do objective moral values exist?

2) Do objective moral duties exist?

3) Would the existence of a deity change the above?


As you have, in the thread, asked in the context of our personal view, my answer is in that context.

I consider morality to relate to if something is right or wrong, and, if its objective, no interpretation as to context would be required...as when the conditions change what is right or wrong, by definition, it is now subjective, and not objective.

When reading the bible, it is quite clear that, for example, we shall not kill, but, that it is ok to kill if you're a soldier, or god asks you to, etc.

That makes the moral subjective. There are no examples of objective morality in the bible, as all of the passages are subject to interpretation.


So, I think every one knows, to a pretty sharp degree, what is right or wrong, as a CONCEPT, but it would be hard for example, to pick a specific thing that is always right with no exceptions.

Even things such as love your neighbor, or love others as I love you...are rendered subjective...again, in war, when you really have no way of KNOWING how much a party loves another party to mimic it, etc.

So, the CONCEPT of being fair, honest, nice, considerate, and so forth...is perhaps objective...

So lets go with the concept as morality.

That might be a moral value.

A moral duty would be what you'd need to do to be moral.


OK, so, what would a deity bring to the table concerning the above?

Nothing I can think of, unless the deity was perfect enough to create a guideline that was unambiguous and would never require interpretation.

It could not say you'll be punished if you are moral, or rewarded of you were immoral, or, punished if immoral and rewarded if moral...as that's not a moral value or duty, that's a bribe or threat.

It would be impossible for anyone, under any circumstances, to read it, and come to a different conclusion...as then its subjective.

As no party, let alone deity, that we know of, has ever promulgated such a guideline, morals are, as far as we can see, subjective.


So, humans, dogs, chimps, dolphins, etc...have shown morality....in that example of people, etc, helping others, being unselfish, etc, are well documented.

If we go with the concept that we know it when we see it...I have a lot of documented evidence of seeing it...and many others see moral activity out there.

So, no bible was required to motivate a dog to help another dog, they just do it sometimes, just as people do sometimes.

People of all, and no faiths, all participate in charitable endeavors, and act morally.

Christians don't seem more moral than say, non-christian Australian Aborigines, or isolated Amazonians, etc.


So, people read the bible for example, know what's moral and what's not, may or may not know that every single story and miracle mentioned was also in earlier works form other cultures, and ignore the immoral bits as they know, being human, that they are immoral, and, pay attention to the moral bits.

IE: You have to know what is moral and not, to be able to tell if what you are reading is an example of one or the other.

You are not learning what is moral from the bible, you are learning what is moral from your life, and interpreting what you read in light of that.

If you don't learn from your life, and need someone to write examples, there are earlier works you can read instead of the bible's plagiarized versions for example.

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interesting. It will be crazy to see what humans can pull off in my life time.
Yes I think Moore's Law applies to more than just computers. Technology is advancing very fast now, things that many of us consider science fiction are being worked on right now in labs all over the world. With the technology we have today that's available to anyone with a little money, new discoveries can be made and new technology developed by anyone anywhere, even people like us working in their own homes.

I remember my father who passed away in 1992 telling me about riding in the car with his father in the late 1920's or maybe 1930 (he was born in 1918) his father was driving like a mad man going almost 30mph and passing every car on the road and his father was telling him about a story in the news that they were talking about building a car that could go 60mph! I am not making this up. My mother was born in 1924 and is 91 now, she has seen the developement of home appliances like referigerators and washing machines, television, microwave ovens, the space program, jet engines, lasers, nuclear power, nuclear weapons, and much more. Think of what people today may see in their lifetimes.

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on your second point. I thought sin was why humans have such short lives? i thought people in the bible lived like 900 years because sin was less steeped in the gene pool or whatever. if our lifespans relate to how much sin we commit, then you'd think the life expectancy would be going down. with as much as christians say sin is taking over, what with all the gays and such, getting married as they please now. before many of the modern advancements in medicine, food production, etc, the life expectancy was much lower, so which accounts for the higher life expectancy now? scientific progress or less sin? for that matter, why don't sin free people live longer, like hundreds of years?
Yes I guess that's true, God regretted having made man in the flesh because much of his thoughts are evil. When I say that, try to understand that Christians believe that we have both a physical body and a spirit body that is immortal and we also believe there exists other nonbiological life forms. I know this is not a very common belief among athiests, but it is a common belief among non Christians such as Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and others, this is why we have ghosts, Angels, demons, jinn, etc. Although in my opinion the existance of nonbiological life doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion or have anything to do with evidence that God exists. I will however admit that seeing some evidence of this long ago changed my thinking and made me more open minded and caused me to investigate more. To answer the next question I would say that scientific progress is responsible for the higher life expectancy not less sin. I don't know the answer to the last question, some of them live long lives and some don't, I suppose it's just left to chance.

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I dont think god would be at all proud of our accomploshments, all we should be concerned with is converting souls for jesus. remember last time humans worked together to achieve great things? god saw people woking together and said, "Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." had to put a damper on that shit right away. also seeing as god never revealed electricity or germ theory or atomic theory or heliocentric theory, it stands to reason he really could care less about our understanding of reality, even in ways that could greatly benefit the sick.

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You are probably correct, we have accomplished much but I am not sure we are a better people than we were before, just as evil as ever. How do we know God never revealed these things? If God sends us prophets then maybe he sends us people to reveal knowledge, or other people that are needed at certain times, I don't think this is so, I am just throwing out there the possibility, I think God created us with intelligence so that we can figure out things for ourselves.

I don't know if I can answer any questions about Noah's ark, but I think we should be building another one just in case, and I don't mean a ship the size of an ocean liner, I mean something that can take a direct hit from a nuclear blast and survive.

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hmmm. I gotta admit it is cool to watch kids learn, though if I were god I'm not sure I could stand watching humans fumble in ignorance regarding germs and stuff for so long. then again, it kinda begs the question, why create all these bacteria and viruses in the first place? doesnt seem very benevolant to me. and the arbitrary prescriptions for some diseases, like kill one dove and sprinkle its blood on another dove which you release to cure leprosy. doesnt seem like a rule grounded in reason to me, but very much an arbitrary one. at best god does the healing and the bird thing is just to see if your devotion to god is strong enough to brutalize a poor bird and terrify another

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Yes I think Moore's Law applies to more than just computers. Technology is advancing very fast now, things that many of us consider science fiction are being worked on right now in labs all over the world. With the technology we have today that's available to anyone with a little money, new discoveries can be made and new technology developed by anyone anywhere, even people like us working in their own homes.

I remember my father who passed away in 1992 telling me about riding in the car with his father in the late 1920's or maybe 1930 (he was born in 1918) his father was driving like a mad man going almost 30mph and passing every car on the road and his father was telling him about a story in the news that they were talking about building a car that could go 60mph! I am not making this up. My mother was born in 1924 and is 91 now, she has seen the developement of home appliances like referigerators and washing machines, television, microwave ovens, the space program, jet engines, lasers, nuclear power, nuclear weapons, and much more. Think of what people today may see in their lifetimes.



Yes I guess that's true, God regretted having made man in the flesh because much of his thoughts are evil. When I say that, try to understand that Christians believe that we have both a physical body and a spirit body that is immortal and we also believe there exists other nonbiological life forms. I know this is not a very common belief among athiests, but it is a common belief among non Christians such as Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, and others, this is why we have ghosts, Angels, demons, jinn, etc. Although in my opinion the existance of nonbiological life doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion or have anything to do with evidence that God exists. I will however admit that seeing some evidence of this long ago changed my thinking and made me more open minded and caused me to investigate more. To answer the next question I would say that scientific progress is responsible for the higher life expectancy not less sin. I don't know the answer to the last question, some of them live long lives and some don't, I suppose it's just left to chance.



You are probably correct, we have accomplished much but I am not sure we are a better people than we were before, just as evil as ever. How do we know God never revealed these things? If God sends us prophets then maybe he sends us people to reveal knowledge, or other people that are needed at certain times, I don't think this is so, I am just throwing out there the possibility, I think God created us with intelligence so that we can figure out things for ourselves.

I don't know if I can answer any questions about Noah's ark, but I think we should be building another one just in case, and I don't mean a ship the size of an ocean liner, I mean something that can take a direct hit from a nuclear blast and survive.

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I agree, my Dad's first car was a Model T...and he saw similar progressions in technology.

Its a process that seems to be accelerating...as each breakthrough in understanding and science, etc, then in turn facilitates other breakthroughs that were only missing that piece of THEIR puzzle, and so forth.

Every generation, as far as recorded history goes, seemed to feel that THEIR generation had reached the pinnacle of achievement in science and technology....and that THIS was MODERN TIMES.

The next generations look back and laugh at them for not realizing that their generation had nothing compared to the NEW MODERN TIMES now...and so forth.



So, sure individuals with more foresight/hindsight combos see it as a process, Alan for example, and know that 100 years from the present will be potentially as dramatic a change, or more so, as 100 years in the past, etc.

The only thing that seems to consistently historically stultify religion is knowledge of how the universe/world actually works.

Those who want there to be supernatural powers, automatically assign responsibility for that which is still unknown, to those powers.

As knowledge builds, historically, the responsibilities left to the supernatural are replaced by the real forces.

Some of course can simply deny the existence and/or validity of the real forces involved, and stubbornly cling to the supernatural forces.

Even in this forum, we see those who desperately cling to evidence that the earth is flat, ~ 6,000 years old, the stars are fixed and unchangeable, there was a global flood, etc...

..because they have a need to believe those things to still allow them to cling to their core beliefs.

So if they feel the need for the bible to be true, and the bible says there was a global flood (Gilgamesh Story), they then must ignore all evidence of that being false.

If they feel god must be perfect, they ignore him saying he is a jealous god (unless jealousy is sign of perfection?), ignore him saying he regretted his actions (Unless you can be perfect, and still make mistakes?), and focus upon things that support what they need to support.



So, as science and human achievements continue to replace supernatural beliefs, eventually, there will be either no supernatural beliefs left, or, there will continue to be those who believe the earth is flat while watching it recede in their view from their spaceship's portal.

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stuff I do matters now. and maybe if humanity comes to accept that no diety is returning to save us from ourselves, we can focus on relocation before the sun runs out of hydrogen. if that happens then humanity wont die out and rejection of god will have saved us. if we dont kill eachother all off before then
If you believe the universe will eventually meet an end, why will anything you have done mattered. If you're hoping the universe is eternal, your hope for humanity is also subjective, if someone else has a completely selfish attitude toward morality, due to the subjective nature of your worldview their views are no better or worse than your views. Also, assuming you're a naturalist, why do humans have any intrinsic value at all, being just accidents of matter.

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my netflix sub just expired, I opted to switch to HULU. is this movie a bunch of people who already believe going out to try to twist evidence to fit their conclusions, which they would believe with or without evidence?, or is it people following the evidence where it leads? because every time i watch believers try to establish credibility through evidence it's the former and they tend to get caught lying a lot

I can save you some time and prove at least one thing the bible predicted, that never happened, IE god was wrong or lied. the bible says that the city of Tyre would be destroyed and never rebuilt. shall I show you the city of Tyre on google maps?
You would be very pleased with the scientific approach in that documentary. Also that city hasn't been rebuilt, the ruins are still there and the modern day Tyre hasn't been built over the ruins.


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We've already been over what I think. To recap: with any situation, there are a finite number of actions you can take. Some of these actions improve the human condition demonstrably and objectively more than others.

What do you think?
And we've already been over what I think. -> In the naturalistic worldview objective morals and duties to not exist.

Your recap still has a problem within naturalism.

Why is improving the human condition objectively good.
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And we've already been over what I think.
You haven't yet explained how you go about finding out if something is right or wrong. How do YOU define right and wrong.

You haven't said what you would do if your god told you to do something you thought was immoral.

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Why is improving the human condition objectively good.
This is getting goofy. "improvement isn't good" is your argument? Are we both speaking English or aren't we? If improvement isn't good, how do YOU define improvement, and why should the rest of the world change to your definition?
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This is getting goofy. "improvement isn't good" is your argument? Are we both speaking English or aren't we? If improvement isn't good, how do YOU define improvement, and why should the rest of the world change to your definition?
I want this addressed before we move on to your other questions. Since you are having issues with the nuances of the words I'll keep rephrasing the question until you hopefully understand and acknowledge the moral predicament in naturalism.

Speaking to your worldview using the meaning of the words you use.

Is the existence of human life objectively good? Why?
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I want this addressed before we move on to your other questions. Since you are having issues with the nuances of the words I'll keep rephrasing the question until you hopefully understand and acknowledge the moral predicament in naturalism.

Speaking to your worldview using the meaning of the words you use.

Is the existence of human life objectively good? Why?

What does objectively good, mean?

If you mean for us, then yes, because our job is to flourish. If we don't exist, well, that's difficult.

I don't see the moral predicament you reference though.

If we are not "good"...then, what would we do about it?

It might be hard to characterize a SPECIES as "good" or "bad" etc...as mosquitoes are not considered good, unless you are a dragonfly or frog.

If you are a mosquito, humans are good, but frogs, shudder...are horrific.


Do YOU think we are good? Objectively or subjectively, and, why?

Is there ANY thing that is objectively good? (As in good, no matter what the context is)

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If you mean for us, then yes, because our job is to flourish. If we don't exist, well, that's difficult.
So human life is objectively good because it is our job to flourish?

This doesn't follow, why is our job to flourish. How does our existence objectively mandate this.
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So human life is objectively good because it is our job to flourish?

This doesn't follow, why is our job to flourish. How does our existence objectively mandate this.
You are assuming that our existence mandates anything.



Does a dog's existence mandate something?

A mosquito?

You are saying words that individually have meanings, but the combinations of which are not clear, hence the difficulty answering.

How does something GET "Objectively Mandated"....can you give an example of something that is objectively mandated?

For example, something that is mandated, typically, is a requirement imposed by another party as a requirement for yet another party....like a government or papal mandate, etc.

Objectively means that the context doesn't change it, its not subject to interpretation.

If combined, something that is objectively mandated sounds like something a third party requires of you that is in no need of interpretation based upon context, etc.


You THEN add that to a species' existence.

THAT implies that that the very existence of a species is a third party mandate to another party, that unambiguously requires that third party to do something...although you don't specify the party being acted upon. (Only that humans are the ones imposing the mandate upon them, which cannot require interpretation to understand.)

I don't see any examples of that really....hence asking you for examples.


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Speaking to my worldview using the meaning of the words I use, yes, some actions are objectively good for the human condition.

Are humans themselves good? That's a different question. Good for what? We are objectively good for each other, because that is what a social species entails. Are we good for the rest of the planet? It can be argued either way. Maybe you're talking about ability? We're good at some things and poor at others. If you want a more specific answer, you need a more specific question.
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