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I have read about NDE's and I semi jokingly call it the soft shutdown, wishfully thinking maybe our designer gave us this, but it's just a dying brain dreaming.

Anyway it's always the preachers son who has the hell dream, because he knows he's a sinner and fear of hell has been preached at him all his life.

Oh another thing I read, people in operating rooms who have technically died and been revived tell stories about seeing themselves floating and how they could see the surgeon and others, well one surgeon who operates on ill people often wrote in large print messages on the tops of the operating room lights....none of his NDE's ever said anything about his hidden messages, they said they saw him and the lights and others, but never the test messages even though they floated on the ceiling watching.


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Hospitals Try to Prove Out-of-Body Experiences


Oh, 1 more test of my own, my wife passed in 2009 from lung cancer, we knew she was terminal months in advance.

Anyway she loved me very much and promised me that she would haunt me and I told her that I wanted her to do it any way she could.
It's been 6 years and I have not been visited even once that I know of.
I have had dreams but not of visits, they are me trying to get home to her and having never ending troubles, a typical struggle dream.

There is a bible passage that basically says any visits from spirits are false spirits and not to be trusted, I understand the wisdom and comfort built into this for grieving people, it's telling you that it's ok to let go.
Geez RC... but yes I agree that there is no life after death. The bible supports that ( Ecclesiastes 9:5). It also speaks of a resurrection in the future after the great tribulation and armageddon so don't let go completely



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Why would you take the experience of a damaged/hallucinating brain as evidence? And why is that evidence more valuable to you than the experience of an undamaged brain?
Cyp: might as well ask me if I have quit beating my wife with that kind of question.

VG: As usual, I am back with an edit, this thread is a sticky in the section, the top most sticky right now, I don't think it will ever go away. Besides, I find it entertaining to see peoples belief systems clash so much, but even more so when they find some common ground of agreement. One of the most beautiful things is when a devout religious individual is best friends with a hard core atheist, what we choose to believe or deny should have no bearing on whether we can be friends or not, whether we care about one another's welfare or not.

I see myself as being more of the edge of the coin between the two sides, I fully take neither position, but I do believe in spirituality and that consciousness never ends. However, because of that I tend to think after we leave this earth we do join with others of like minds, which group do you want to belong to?
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One of the most beautiful things is when a devout religious individual is best friends with a hard core atheist, what we choose to believe or deny should have no bearing on whether we can be friends or not, whether we care about one another's welfare or not.
This is what I marvel at to.
I am grateful that open discussion on religion is allowed on LPF, not all forums allow such discussion.

On a personal note even though I have my belief set in The Bible, I cherish the fact that I can consider the members here on LPF as my friends and hope that I can be accepted as a friend just like I consider you all (y'all) as my friends.

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@ RedCowboy, sorry to hear that about your wife. We all have to pass away one day but it still is heart wrenching on our loved ones.

@ Alaskan, that is so true. I have very close friends, family and loved ones that range from hardcore atheists to bible pounding through and through religious followers. We do not push our beliefs or political taste on each other and we get along fine. Sure, we do some light hearted chop busting but the moment someone starts to rev up their engine we shut them right down as there are other things more pressing such as a 2 destination photography trip in the works for the end of this month. Oh Yeah Baby!!!!
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@ RedCowboy, sorry to hear that about your wife. We all have to pass away one day but it still is heart wrenching on our loved ones.

@ Alaskan, that is so true. I have very close friends, family and loved ones that range from hardcore atheists to bible pounding through and through religious followers. We do not push our beliefs or political taste on each other and we get along fine. Sure, we do some light hearted chop busting but the moment someone starts to rev up their engine we shut them right down as there are other things more pressing such as a 2 destination photography trip in the works for the end of this month. Oh Yeah Baby!!!!
Being ABLE TO deal with others having dissenting beliefs is a major skill.

Some people on this forum are easily able to perform this feat...and can simply believe what they want to, without feeling that no one can disagree.

Some other people on this forum, a minority, seem unable to accept that other people can believe something different from what they believe...and they can become agitated, angry and even openly hostile.

So, the very IDEA that someone disagrees with them is stressful.

The REST of y'all ARE able to have someone disagree with them WITHOUT feeling as though their opinion is offensive and antagonizing.

LPF gets major kudos for being almost entirely composed of people who are not stressed when someone disagrees with them.

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@Alaskan

If Cyparagon's question was simplified to -

"Why do you believe NDE's are a trustworthy source for drawing conclusions about the nature of the human spirit?"

What would your response be then?
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Or let's try a two part.

1) Is an oxygen-deprived brain capable of providing reliable testimony?
2) Do you think a brain that is experiencing an NDE is oxygen-deprived?
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Many people have an NDE/OBE without brain damage, of course you could claim it's just a dream, but I think it happens to far too many to just ignore it, if it was just a dream there wouldn't be so many things in common.

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People dream about current events, even what's on TV gets into peoples dreams, don't you think people having surgery would likely have related dreams, also more people who die and are then revived don't have a NDE/dream.
Also people are given a drug that causes them to not have recall, proving yet again we are biological computers, this is because some people have reported being paralyzed by anesthesia yet aware of all the pain as the surgeon was operating, but this is not the usual case, still they give the anti recall drug.

Here's a real life story, I had my tonsils/adenoids taken out. The anesthesiologist told me to count backwards from 100, I got to 98 and the very next thing I knew I was waking up in post op after a longer than usual surgery they told me. My conscious/soul must have been knocked out along with my brain because it was like a jump in time, I was transported from being put under to it's over and done.
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People dream about current events, even what's on TV gets into peoples dreams, don't you think people having surgery would likely have related dreams, also more people who die and are then revived don't have a NDE/dream.
Also people are given a drug that causes them to not have recall, proving yet again we are biological computers, this is because some people have reported being paralyzed by anesthesia yet aware of all the pain as the surgeon was operating, but this is not the usual case, still they give the anti recall drug.
They don't have dreams related to having surgery, and I don't think most NDE/OBE are during surgery. And those that do probably don't remember because of the drug, or they don't tell anyone, or they didn't really die.

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I can give answers to questions regarding some NDE's being more than hallucinations, but for any reasonable person, no answer I will give should be sufficient to be considered evidence enough. You can research the subject for 20+ years as I have, reading many books and watching many videos to come to a conclusion yourself.

However, here are some of my thoughts:

1. Some NDE's are very questionable, some are not.
2. Some people have NDE's, some do not.

For those seeking answers and seeing too many wrong ones to believe something I ask this, how many white crows must you see to be able to believe white crows can exist? You will find lots of non-sense when searching this subject, the religious NDE's are the ones I question most, but even those have a similar structure, that is what interests me.

What we believe is a choice, some require more evidence than others, for some no amount of evidence is enough. That said, here is a good place to start looking into the experiences of others: http://www.near-death.com

You can make a deal with someone to come visit you after they die, as I have too, and nothing happen. I don't know why. Perhaps when we leave here many different things can happen but some of my thoughs are we can slumber for a long time, we can immediately become interested in something else, we might not do so for a reason, we might not be able to do so.
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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness..." - Max Planck. "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real" - Neils Bohr. "What we call physical things and events do not exist independently of subjective experience..." - Deepak Chopra.

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The last thing you said would make sense if we in fact had an afterlife.

If people knew their loved ones were on the other side many would go there right away.

If people knew their earthly struggles could end and a wonderful afterlife could be had many would go right away.

So Yes, if there is an afterlife we can't be allowed to know about it if we are supposed to struggle on until our everything wears out and we take our last suffering breath.
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