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Old 10-22-2015, 02:37 AM #6129
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I'll scan a paper he wrote on string theory! blows my fricking mind!


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Lol

Do you want to address any issues, or just keep sniping at personal aspects?

No, btw, I'm not.

You stated you should not make constructive posts, because you felt cyp hadn't.

That seems to either be reticence to make constructive comments, or, some sort of need to mirror one of our many members.

Many of us find cyps comments to be extremely constructive.

You do not. Its a forum, and, that's fine. We can disagree with each other. If everyone thinks the same thing, its a boring conversation.

It is of course helpful, in a discussions with those who diagree with you, to not take it personally.

You are not your opinion about space.

You are possibly a loving father or son, hard worker at your job, generous to the needy, etc...not just one opinion.

If someone on the internet disagrees with you...keep that perspective.

Currenty, whether you meant to or not, you give the impression that your neck muscles are turning as purple as your face and you're about to explode....figuratively.

You can want to convince others of your point, but, not take them still not getting you as an attack on you.

Discuss the issues on a point by point basis, and try to not take a disagreement the way you, so far....have been.

You are bigger than that, and you know you are.

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Do you want to address any issues, or just keep sniping at personal aspects?

No, btw, I'm not.
We know, and there has been "Appeal to Ridicule" and "Ad hominem" mixed into arguments on both sides. And IMO everyone should be more aware of that and more careful not blur the lines.

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Appeal to ridicule, is an informal fallacy which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or in any way humorous, to the specific end of a foregone conclusion that the argument lacks any substance which would merit consideration.

Ad hominem

An ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than addressing the content of their arguments. When used inappropriately, it is a fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized. Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.
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Lol

Do you want to address any issues, or just keep sniping at personal aspects?

No, btw, I'm not.

You stated you should not make constructive posts, because you felt cyp hadn't.

That seems to either be reticence to make constructive comments, or, some sort of need to mirror one of our many members.

Many of us find cyps comments to be extremely constructive.

You do not. Its a forum, and, that's fine. We can disagree with each other. If everyone thinks the same thing, its a boring conversation.

It is of course helpful, in a discussions with those who diagree with you, to not take it personally.

You are not your opinion about space.

You are possibly a loving father or son, hard worker at your job, generous to the needy, etc...not just one opinion.

If someone on the internet disagrees with you...keep that perspective.

Currenty, whether you meant to or not, you give the impression that your neck muscles are turning as purple as your face and you're about to explode....figuratively.

You can want to convince others of your point, but, not take them still not getting you as an attack on you.

Discuss the issues on a point by point basis, and try to not take a disagreement the way you, so far....have been.

You are bigger than that, and you know you are.

You certainly love to start a comment with "lol". I notice a lot of kids do that. Also you don't discuss anything. You just write a butt load of nothing. No one can argue with any points you make because you freakin talk too much.
Who wants to read your essays? I know I don't
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You certainly love to start a comment with "lol". I notice a lot of kids do that. Also you don't discuss anything. You just write a butt load of nothing. No one can argue with any points you make because you freakin talk too much.
Who wants to read your essays? I know I don't

I suppose its unrealistic for you to not read something, and also know what it says.

For example, the conversation Alan and I had about the nature of the universe was interesting.

Alan pointed out that it was not logical that the universe was both infinite in size, and expanding (As, where could an infinite universe expand TO).

I agreed with Alan, pointed out his logic was reasonable, and that the confusion was between our universe, and, the rest of the the universe....as ours was expanding, but not necessarily the rest, for the exact reason he mentioned.

That's not "nothing" that's conversation/discussion.

Alan made a point, based upon his reasoning and logic, I replied, in kind.


I have made some posts with lol, even though its not part of my normal daily typing pattern.

However, it is appropriate when I read something that's just funny.

It means I "Laughed out loud" when I read their post.



So, again, do you want to discuss a topic without resorting to sniping at unrelated issues and personal aspects?


You are not the only member who believes in god. There are quite a few. THEY pretty much discuss the topics, without only addressing other members in a personal way.

Sure, everyone has a tendency to "fight fire with fire" once in a while, we are human, and an occasional zinger DOES get added in here and there...

But everyone else is ADDING a zinger, if at all, while all of your recent posts in this thread have been content free, except for the personal criticisms.


IE: If you say "You didn't say anything, and you said LOL, which children do too"...as your entire message...


vs

You didn't say anything, and you said LOLL which children do too. The reason you didn't say anything, is because there is no such thing as the universe because its not mentioned in the bible.


We'd see that, even if we disagree, you are at least still discussing the topic, and presenting the reasons for your opinion.



If your evidence is sound, we may even realize you made a point, and agree with you. If not compelling, sure, we won't be compelled. Same for you, if we say something that's not compelling, you are not compelled either, and so forth.

IF you want anyone to know what you are trying to communicate, say, that Jesus is our lord and savior, and we must believe in him to be saved, and, to DO that, we must be made to understand the truth in the bible....the way to DO all that is NOT to just snipe at personal aspects, but to try to COMMUNICATE YOUR REASONS FOR US TO SEE YOUR POINT OF VIEW.




Try adding some content, the way Alan, Duke, and everyone else does.


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I'll scan a paper he wrote on string theory! blows my fricking mind!
I think once chirality conflicts arose, string theory's applications pretty much dried up.

They didn't predict real world results, and, being able to predict real world results is pretty much the proof in the pudding for a theory.

Essentially, if you need more dimensions than actually exist, to make something work...it doesn't really work.

It was working pretty well as far as gravity went...then ran into trouble.

I think the USE OF the extra dimensions TO make it work, did add some tools that mathematicians etc, could use for other applications though, and resonance based theories seem to be very close to what might be happening...but, we'd need more breakthroughs in the math and detection, etc, to see where to go from here.

If not for the chiral issues though, it was a contender.

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TEEJ, I think cosmologist use the term Cosmos when referring to the entirety And our universe is within that. It seems like people are getting confused when you say the universe is infinitely old you probably mean the cosmos.

Also, I wouldn't go writing off SST or the Multiverse just yet. From the little I know I think it's understood that it's one or the other. The mass of the Higgs boson would have confirmed which was correct. Oddly it was determined it was something like 126 geV smack dab in the middle. Higher it would have confirmed SST, lower the Multiverse.

So a person can look at as the SST is a crock because you need extra dimensions for the maths to work, but had the Higgs Boson confirmed Super String Theory was correct it would have been a double whammy, matter and energy are made of tiny vibrating stands and confirmation of extra dimensions within ours. So it's a bit more than fanciful math tricks. It's still in the running since discovering the H bosons mass was not very helpful. Now that CERNS back on line they do hope to confirm which theory is correct and feel confident the will in this decade. Hell, they thought it would take a decade to confirm the Higgs and it look less than a year after the delay and repairs.

Also, if the multiverse is confirmed it would explain why Gravity is such a weak force compared to the others. It's spread thin through the infinite universes. There are a lot of reasons these two theories are so studied and taken seriously and it's just just fantasy and creative mathematics. They explain a lot of mysteries of our reality. Like super massive Black holes being the birthplace for new universes and big bangs, so actually Alan, there may be universes within ours. Billions of them.

This is a very lay men's explanation of very complicated physics so take it with a grain of salt.
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I think its not the thread for you....you don't seem to want to contribute new thoughts or ideas...just criticize personal aspect of those who disagree with your worldview, without discussing your worldview, or why.




If you added some content, any in fact, it would be a nice change.


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Mons,

I hear you.

The higgs didn't do what was needed in that regard though, indicating BOTH theories probably are off a hair, etc.

The maths developed to work out SST is very useful, even if SST doesn't prove to be the unified theory hoped for. Again, the chirality problems sink it in that regard, and the higgs #'s don't undo that.

The cosmos terminology, and the resultant cosmologists using it, etc, IS a good word to add to the discussion......and I agree that should be used.

Articles, etc, don't tend to use it though, and, I have been seeing universe used, well, universally...for both the observed, and cosmic version.

THAT is very confusing, as the phrase "universe", as used in lay conversations, is typically assumed to mean the cosmos.

Its further confusing as they then discuss the age of the universe, with the assumption that ours is the only one.

It would be like calling the sun, "the star"...as far as that goes, etc.

I don't think we have multiverses either...but, I think both theories are "on to something".
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If you added some content, any in fact, it would be a nice change.

Go cry to someone who cares.
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OK, maybe you're not as big a man as I thought. Oh well, I tried.

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On a different tack, I noticed some references to the bible, especially the old testament, discussing "An Eye For AN EYE".

That actually, in context, only referred to what to do to someone who injured a pregnant woman's baby.

IE: You punch the pregger girl in the belly, and, the kid is born blind in one eye...the village pokes out YOUR eye.

The kid has a bum leg, the village breaks your leg up so yours doesn't work either, and, so forth.

It was never used in other contexts, but it is such a visually powerful image that it resonated with many as a fair way to respond.

An abortion bomber for example, as far as the bible goes, would be operating about in synch with that philosophy...as the doctor did, in his mind at least, kill the baby.

As far as the specifics as to when "it's a baby", I can really understand how people can disagree.

On one hand, there are those who feel that its a baby the second the sperm and egg meet...even though its just a cell with a sperm on it.

At the other end of the spectrum are those who feel its not a baby until its viable outside the womb.

THAT then becomes complicated, because science is allowing some awfully early fetuses, including ones that are essentially just fertilized eggs (test tube babies) to one day be people, and so forth.

So then its reduced to when it has feelings, or thoughts, or a soul, or whatever.

I'm a bit conflicted about the whole thing, because I get why a woman should not have to carry and give birth to a rapist's kid for example...

...but, its not the KID'S fault.

So, lets say Ms Jones is 12, in middle school, and Mr. Smith, who's 70, beats her sensless, rapes her, and, she finds out she's pregnant months later.

The idea of giving birth to that monster's seed is horrific...what should she DO?

As an advocate for the unborn monster's kid, I'd say, well, give birth, and give it up for adoption....as then my client might at least live whatever life such a progeny can live.

But, is it fair to the raped girl?

Is it perhaps just one of those unfair things that can happen to a 12 year old? Like having an arm bitten off by a shark, or, legs crushed in a car accident?

IE: Its unfair, but tough sheet 'lil missy, life can BE unfair, so, suck it up?


To me at least, it is not an easy answer. No matter what the outcome, SOMEONE's life is screwed and glued...

...and to make it worse, BOTH victims were innocent/blameless for the situation they found themselves in.

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