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Old 10-16-2015, 08:01 PM #6065
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I thought it was fitting given someone brought up "morality" previously. I'm thinking he can adopt

As for me, I'm morally bankrupt, only thing I want inside my belly is booze, which is appropriate given that it's national alcohol day today.
Its National Bosses Day actually, same thing though?



As for moral bankruptcy, perhaps someone would be kind enough to make a loan to carry you through the tough times?



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Nah, I have my own barometer of what is right. Do no harm, do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Don't really need anything more complicated.
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Nah, I have my own barometer of what is right. Do no harm, do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Don't really need anything more complicated.
Then it sounds like you were not morally bankrupt.

"You're crying poor with a loaf of bread under each arm" is one version of the appropriate saying.

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Then it sounds like you were not morally bankrupt.

"You're crying poor with a loaf of bread under each arm" is one version of the appropriate saying.

I disagree. I'm absolutely morally bankrupt in the religious sense
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I disagree. I'm absolutely morally bankrupt in the religious sense
That is nonsensical though.

There are no morals in the bible that are not also outside of the bible.



It's like saying you're starving to death because your stomach is full of filet mignon and baked potato and sauteed stringbeans and champagne....but no raisins.

...so as far as raisins go though, you're starving to death.

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I was next to god on the subway just a week or so ago.

I mean, he SAID he was god, and, so, that's more solid proof of his existence than I've seen elsewhere, so, I guess I should count it.

He wanted money, so it seemed quite plausible.

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He said, "Nobody loves me."

I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes."

I said, "Are you a Christian, a Muslim or a Jew?"

He said, "A Christian."

I said, "Me too! Protestant or Catholic?"

He said, "Protestant."

I said, "Me too! What denomination?"

He said, "Baptist."

I said, "Me too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Baptist."

I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."

I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."

I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."

I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him off the bridge.

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I rather think God is a great creative force within all things but no judgement, no punishment, no controls, we do that.
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I rather think God is a great creative force within all things but no judgement, no punishment, no controls, we do that.
I would add that the creative force is our brain.

I'm not sure how creative a e coli is, or a rock, or how we would even judge that...or if it's a great creative force?

Some people are more creative than others...so, it follows each is responsible for their own creativity.

No supernatural beings are required.

Just a brain.

No brain, no creativity.

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After that, I know my mom and dad created me, via well established and understood processes.

And so forth. Neither of them were supernatural.

Spacetime might count as a creative force in that Spacetime creates matter and energy...which in turns leads to everything else.

But, that's a natural not supernatural origin.


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Earlier this week I was waiting for my wife in a Doctor's waiting room when I read the following in a Reader's Digest:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"

He said, "Nobody loves me."

I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes."

I said, "Are you a Christian, a Muslim or a Jew?"

He said, "A Christian."

I said, "Me too! Protestant or Catholic?"

He said, "Protestant."

I said, "Me too! What franchise?"

He said, "Baptist."

I said, "Me too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Baptist."

I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."

I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."

I said, "Me too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."

I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him off the bridge.
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Occam's razor is only in your favor if your god himself has a remarkably simple explanation... as far as his methodology, the creation of himself, his morality, the inner workings of his supernatural powers, and others.

No one has provided answers to these things. In fact, most believe he is above our understanding - that we couldn't possibly hope to understand everything about him. Even if someone had provided answers, they wouldn't be verifiable, because your god is the hide-and-seek champion of the universe.
The question wasn't directly answered but it looks like your conclusion was based off of nothing. Also for Occam's razor to be in favor of God the explanation wouldn't have to be "remarkably simple", just simpler than the competing hypothesis.
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Oh holy crap this thread is still going.

Anyone here think the Earth is flat? Flat Earthers are the new group to poke fun at.
Wait , its not flat ? , I wanted to walk to the edge : (
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The flat earthers aren't a religion, they are simply mentally impaired people that have trouble with 3 dimensional thinking. I actually heard a 3 hour long radio show on this in recent weeks and could hardly believe what I was hearing. This one guy really sounded like he believed the earth is flat and the sun orbits the earth and made some good arguments in favor of it. There are some really deranged people out there that will believe anything.

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it looks like your conclusion was based off of nothing.
My conclusion is based on your claims about him. If you disagree that your god is an exceedingly complex being, please explain how.

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for Occam's razor to be in favor of God the explanation wouldn't have to be "remarkably simple", just simpler than the competing hypothesis.
Yes. But until someone can even come close to explaining everything about god, it's an argument from ignorance.
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