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On NOT knowing if space is infinite, um, it is. Trust me.

If you don't trust me, try this experiment in your head:

1) Imagine the largest possible amount of space.

2) Imagine it being so large that there COULD BE NO space OUTSIDE of it.

You will quickly realize that space HAS TO BE infinite, just as time must.
Go play Asteroids by Atari for a bit.


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Go play Asteroids by Atari for a bit.
LOL

I played that a lot back in the day....and, it was not a persuasive model of the universe.



Is that what your cosmological model of the universe is based upon?

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It's about as persuasive as your thought experiment.
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It's about as persuasive as your thought experiment.
It does help to have the right equipment when designing experiments.

SO, I supposed that means that you can now describe to me your large box that is so large there is nothing outside of it?

I do want to hear about what that looks like....other than " A large box with nothing outside it" or something like that.




IE: EXPLAIN how the box has no space outside of it.

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It does help to have the right equipment when designing experiments.
Kind of a crappy thing to say but ignoring that.

Your argument essentially is "Trust me space is infinite, I cannot imagine a universe where space is not infinite"

My counter is this - I agree with Cyp's statement on space being infinite

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This has not been conclusively demonstrated.
And "Trust me, I don't know if space is infinite or not, I can imagine a universe where it is infinite and I can also imagine a universe where it is not infinite.
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Kind of a crappy thing to say but ignoring that.

Your argument essentially is "Trust me space is infinite, I cannot imagine a universe where space is not infinite"

My counter is this - I agree with Cyp's statement on space being infinite



And "Trust me, I don't know if space is infinite or not, I can imagine a universe where it is infinite and I can also imagine a universe where it is not infinite.

Sooo, EXPLAIN your concept for a box so large that there is no space outside of it.

IE: Did you DO a thought experiment?

You simply, so far, say who you agree with, both me and Cyp...(Both in this case, albeit I think you meant to say finite instead of infinite). I'm looking for what YOU came up with when thinking about it.





Cyp was talking about scientific evidence about OUR universe.

I am talking about THE universe, as pointed out a few times.



In fact, the ENTIRE POINT, was that the studies, etc, are not all about the exact same thing, despite using similar or even identical terms, if taken out of context.



So, without adding whether any universe has any particular limits, the thought experiment involved A BOX. So, think "box", not universe, and, actually think about it....this time.

The context, for the question asked of you, was, could YOU describe the box YOU IMAGINED in your thought experiment.

Tell me about the box so large there was no room outside of it...and how you imagined that box's border and what WAS outside of it, etc.

THAT'S the actual question.


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That's an interesting study.

The part they inactivated is the part that tries to resolve discrepancies, such as two conflicting pieces of evidence held at the same time.

Typically, the more religious people and more prejudiced people, tend to keep one and throw out the other instead of allowing the conflict.

This of course applies to any belief system being challenged by conflicting evidence, so, even though not in that study, it would be analogous to a scientist who devoted his life to cold dark matter, and was confronted with evidence that dark matter may be warm...meaning he wasted his entire career, etc.

He'd be more likely to accept the new warm evidence if that part of his brain was deactivated/suppressed.



Studies much like this one have been going on for along time. Most were focused on prejudice, not combining that with views on immigration, or religion per se...but all along the lines of how we resolve internal conflicts when evidence tells us we might be wrong.

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Anyone will be screwed up bad if you shut down part of their brain, just like a stroke victim or someone with a head injury. It will effect them differently depending on what part of the brain is damaged or shut down.

Also the universe isn't a box.

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Also the universe isn't a box.

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You do realize that this is called selective inactivation, similar to getting an MRI?

Its technique where they target a specific part, and use the magnetic fields to just make ONE part stop for a bit to see what happens. (Some experiments work on several at once though, as many work in conjunction)

They started the research when people WITH head trauma, etc, would exhibit/report a particular problem or change afterwards...

..and then tried to simulate that in rats or monkeys, and so forth, to compare what parts of the brain were involved with what processes.


So, the study mentioned, and the many like it, simply SUPPRESS one part to see what happens.

In this study, those who STOPPED or SLOWED their tendency to resolve internal conflict by throwing out any evidence that threatened their existing beliefs...simply became less threatened by conflicting beliefs, and, proportionally, allowed themselves to consider that some other races might not be inferior, that there might not be a god, and other opinions that they previously did NOT express.


Now, if you are of the opinion for example, that a person who previously had strong beliefs that black people were inferior to white people, but had the part of his brain that didn't allow in conflicting evidence to be temporarily suppressed for a while to see what happened, and, then considered some of that conflicting evidence, such as examples of black people who might not be inferior...


...and then consider that black people might be equals...

...to be "screwed up bad", OK, I'm sure his unsuppressed buddies and the KKK meetings would agree with you.

Luckily for you, he will go back to his racial prejudices shortly, as the suppression is fleeting.

(I know you're not prejudiced, it was just an example that DIDN'T reference religion, which WOULD trigger those defensive reactions)



And, while the universe is most certainly NOT a box, the THOUGHT EXPERIMENT was to IMAGINE A BOX.


I also said to not consider the universe, and, to just imagine a box so large nothing could fit OUTSIDE OF IT.


So, THOUGHT, that's all...just THINK if you can imagine a box so large there was no space outside of it.

What would that box be like, HOW large would it need to be?

How did you envision the box with no room outside of it?


Did you try to imagine it, and realize that no matter how big you made it, there would always be something on the other side, or, realize a way for the box to be so large nothing could be on its outside?


Any thinkers?




PS - RE: An earlier post and probable misconception....the equipment in the thought experiment is a box, in this case, a rather ridiculously large one, one that is hard to order from the usual experimental supply shops, etc.

I think someone thought the equipment for the thought experiment was a brain? I agree that that is also a requirement, despite several other opinions expressed in the thread about consciousness NOT needing a brain....but I do see how that would be a logical conclusion at least.

No one posting here has no brain...unless said consciousness was actually applicable afterall. (Identify yourself if this is the case, please)


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People need the part of their brain that allows them to consider conflicting evidence so that they can consider both sides and make a decision. Sometimes they will make the wrong choice, but taking away that choice would be like giving them a lobotomy so they won't be as much trouble anymore. It's wrong, unethical, and a very dangerous experiment. I could imagine in the future everyone having to have a procedure done at birth that deactivates this part of the brain, turning us all into a bunch of retards who are more controllable and won't cause trouble!

If there is anything or anyone outside the box, they best not open it, no telling what they will let loose into their world. The idea makes me think of a woman named Pandora.

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