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Scientists have also been working to prove multiple dimensions (String Theory). I am ever intrigued by the fact that scientists also have shown that there was no big bang.


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Ok lets take science's arguement. IF the universe is in fact infinite then by definition I exist again somewhere else. You do too. Because it keeps going on forever and ever. Well then IF all things are possible, then god HAS to exist because the universe goes on forever and if it goes on forever then all things exist. Infinite Worlds, Infinite Possibilities.

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Actually, no, not really.

If the universe is infinite, you exist within it by definition, not somewhere else, as, there is nowhere else.

Being infinite in size, DOES NOT mean all things are the case, or even possible....its just that they are all able to fit into a very large box.


So, being infinite in size means just that. It doesn't mean Santa Claus exists.

Having an infinite amount of time is impossible to avoid, as is an infinite amount of space.

Having all the space and time needed for things that ARE possible, makes them inevitable.

That DOESN'T make things that are NOT possible happen.


The thing that REALLY makes meeting our lizard men buddies hard, is BECAUSE they might be so far away, or exist so far in the past, or future, that we could easily not find each other.

Even if an infinite number of intelligent life forms that can travel at the speed of light exist, at the same time...they could STILL be SO far from each other that they can't even see the light from the galaxies between them, etc.

If warp drives, etc, pan out - OK, that betters the odds at least of covering more ground (space), but with an INFINITE amount of space, the distances are unimaginable. We don't even have names for the numbers that could be involved.




As for the big bang, and other areas of theoretical science - there is no one voice of scientists. "They" propose theories, and, then, everyone tests them to see if they explain everything, or if they produce a false result when plugged into something.

So, at any given time, there may be competing theories...but, the one's on top are the ones that come closest to explaining things. (In their context)

So, relativity, for example, was argued by many scientists to be nonsense.


And, after much experimentation and practical applications worked out, the scientists who said it was nonsense were proved wrong/recapitulated, etc.

Some theories are able to coexist too, etc.
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Humm.... what was it I saw on more than one occasion hovering silently above me in the shape of a flying saucer? Area 51 project perhaps, that doesn't infer faster than the speed of light travel, if indeed from Area 51, but if not, I don't know how it could have gotten here.
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Fear not yea satanic sinners, for I Redcowboy, your true lord and master hath granted ye forgiveness and life everlasting.

Just maketh thine payment to me each month and be not ye late.

Your old never to be there when you need him lord wanted 10% but I require only 9%, a bargain and a blessing.

All that good stuff, yes I did that, remember 9% each month, 8% for 1st week payers, see ye lord is great, question me not for I have already answered you.

Actually Teej the universe is expanding at near the speed of light at it's outermost edges causing time dilation.
So what is moving fastest is actually going slowest.
You see, the cowboy works in mysterious ways, question me not, for you have already been answered.

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OMG, will I also be forgiven for my sins if I pay? I think there has been a sin forgiveness plan like this in the past.

Edit: I started thinking about the outer edges of the universe statement, I thought everywhere was the center, is it not?
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The universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate.
Billions of years from now will be the time of great darkness.

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But, I assume we will at least be able to see the stars in our own galaxy?
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Not from Earth for our sun is 4.5 billion years old and at 10 billion years it will be a red giant and the Earth will be consumed, a billion or two years later a tiny remnant, a white dwarf is all that will remain of our long gone system.

All of the universe is expanding, stars if seem by beings 7 billion years from now will look dim and distant, fewer and further between.



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When they say "universe" they mean our universe, which is a sub-set of THE universe.

IE: The universe itself can't "expand" because it already reaches beyond where ours hasn't reached yet.

If you think of it as the fabric of space time....our little infinitesimal wee baby universe is statistically about not there at all, despite it seeming overwhelmingly enormous by our puny scales.


Lets just say the fabric is expanding locally.






As, thus far, the thing casually referred to as The Big Bang (which never was meant to really BE that...its just a name that stuck)...could be occurring an infinite number of times at this very moment, at distances so vast nothing from those reaches is available for us to receive or observe.

The physics of what happens if two expanding universes overlap at the reaches of their borders would be an interesting thing to model though.

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How Large is The Universe? New calculations show the entire universe has a minimum diameter of 156 billion light years, what is the maximum possible diameter? View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQo...eature=related
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Alaskan - Good video.



I noticed it repeated much of what I said already about OUR universe vs THE universe, etc, and gave a great summary of the history of the process to determine these things.

It also gave a glimpse into "how we got everything from nothing", explaining what I had mentioned earlier about the matter/energy popping up in what was "empty" space...because that's simply what space does.



So, to wrap up:

1) No one had to "create" the infinite amount of space...it is impossible for it to NOT exist.

2) No one had to "create" time, it passes even with no watches to mark its passing, etc.

3) No one had to "create" matter or energy, as they are simply a product of having time and space.






So, after we have matter and energy - As we know from what processes and materials stars are formed and what they emit, and how to construct the periodic table...the rest is evidently inevitable.


So, no creator is required, and, actually, would needlessly complicate the system. Having a "creator" would mean needing to find a way to ADD him to all of the above that happens without him.

It's much simpler without supernatural beings who's primary concern is that you believe they had son's...and that they had them born just to die, to "forgive" people, who's "crime" was:

Having ancestors that had been tricked into believing a talking snake...and being MADE to not know right from wrong, by the DAD, then punished for doing something wrong.

To make it even more ludicrous, the "wrong" they were tricked into, before they knew right from wrong, was TO KNOW right from wrong (by eating the apple).

What passed for knowledge back then was sort of limited of course....and the only thing they seemed to "know" was that they were not supposed to be naked, and, that the DAD might notice they had some apple.

Sigh.



Photons and Positrons and so forth just make much more sense than talking snakes and such.

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Wow, this thread was popular for the weekend. Where to start?... Oh yes, how about with this monstrosity masquerading as logic:

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IF the universe is in fact infinite
I reject your premise. This has not been conclusively demonstrated.

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IF all things are possible
I again reject your premise, hopefully for obvious reasons.

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IF the universe is in fact infinite then by definition I exist again somewhere else.
I once again reject your premise. Here is an example of how it is flawed:

Take the number line from 0 to infinity. There are infinitely many numbers. How many times does pi appear?

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The argument can be made that Occam's razor points to God's existence.
A supernatural, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being isn't a simple explanation. Not by a long shot. Such a being would have to be more complex than all of existence.

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If I am mistaken then it shouldn't be hard for you to show me the historical and scientific consensus regarding the gospels. Unless you are saying there is no consensus either way.
There are some stories that have been completely disproved by historical studies. Others have been affirmed. The vast majority there is no consensus that I'm aware of.

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In fact I left the Greek Orthodox Church
And you don't think it's a little bit TOO convenient that no matter what you believe, there's a church out there that will reflect your beliefs? Or that you can start your own? You don't think it's a little strange that there are thousands of mutually exclusive congregations that ALL believe the others are wrong?

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Hell of a price to pay though, if you're wrong.
Pascal's wager has been done to death. There are too many possible gods to make your gambling worth anything.

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Because humans are God's creation so he hates anything that God has created.
And who created satan?

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By rejecting God, you default to Satan.
By rejecting who's god? Defaulting to who's satan?

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"There are 200 countries in the world now. Do these people honestly think that God is sitting around picking out his favorites? Why would he do that? Why would god have a favorite country? And why would it be the US of all places? Because you have the most money? Because he likes your national anthem? Maybe it's because he heard we have 18 delicious flavors of classic rice-a-roni. It's delusional thinking! And the US is not alone with this sort of delusion. Military cemeteries around the world are packed with brainwashed dead soldiers who were convinced God was on their side.

The US prays for God to destroy their enemies. Their enemies pray for God to destroy the US. Somebody's gonna be disappointed. Somebody's wasting their fucking time! Could it be... EVERYBODY?"
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LOL

I'm glad it was not too much trouble at least. Still creepy, but, at least not in a strenuous way.

I see it as not relevant though, as I don't post less on other topics, this one is just very active...and interesting.

You too now post quite often lately on this thread, based upon the latest posts I recall at least, so you and I must find this thread worthwhile.

See, we have something in common besides lasers!





So, Visiblegreen, do you accept the Catholic Church as god's representative here on earth?
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It's not creepy in the slightest, your nick shows up near to the top along with Daguin and IE. That's not my doing it's yours. Heh I don't have nearly the amount of posts that you have on here so don't think it compares.

About your question to try to stir up an argument I will answer with a no. I don't accept the false teachings of any religion.
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So, to wrap up:

1) No one had to "create" the infinite amount of space...it is impossible for it to NOT exist.

2) No one had to "create" time, it passes even with no watches to mark its passing, etc.

3) No one had to "create" matter or energy, as they are simply a product of having time .
I have no issues with the idea the thing people think of as God is a product of the universe, not necessarily the creator of it, but if there be a God creator maybe it's God's all the way up beyond into an eternity of fractal images of the One as a central all-aware collective of scentient beings from which all consciousness originates, including mankind as a lower order fractal, as masked as we are in these animal forms right now. I currently believe consciousness originates from and returns to that collective and that we have the choice to either fully merge with it to loose our individuality or stay separate, perhaps come back for another round of life in any form we choose.

Any of this reality? I don't know but I wonder after having a more real than life itself dream years ago which showed me just that, in so many images. The dream was so fantastically increadibly vivid I've never forgotten it, in fact, for a couple of years afterwards I had a difficult time seeing anyone else as anything but the same life living in parallel. What this amounted to was seeing everyone as part of everyone else, all cut from the same cloth, so to speak, and in spiritual essence completely identical with one another. It was bliss! No longer stressed by the differences between people because I saw no differences... but in time, well, in the near 20 years since that happened, I've come back to individuality, but yet that experience hasn't left me and I still feel we are all soul brothers and sisters, all from the same life temporarily split up into what we are now.

Forgive me my strange ideas if they be too out there to have much credibility (like duh!), I don't blame anyone for rejecting such.
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So, to wrap up:

1) No one had to "create" the infinite amount of space...it is impossible for it to NOT exist.

There is no way that we can know this, the universe might not be infinite, and space may be expanding as the univers expands. Our science isn't advanced enough for us to know everything.

2) No one had to "create" time, it passes even with no watches to mark its passing, etc.

Again we don't know if time existed before or if it's part of the fabric of the universe, you don't have any way of knowing that time was passing before the universe existed. Time also isn't constant at the same speed. Einsteins time dilation theory was proven many years ago. The presence of gravity also alters time, posibly due to the gravity warping space time.

3) No one had to "create" matter or energy, as they are simply a product of having time and space.

So once there was both time and space then all the matter and energy just exploded into existance?!
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I once again reject your premise. Here is an example of how it is flawed:

Take the number line from 0 to infinity. There are infinitely many numbers. How many times does pi appear?

Only one time. If you run a random number generator for an infinite amount of time, how many times does Pi appear?

And you don't think it's a little bit TOO convenient that no matter what you believe, there's a church out there that will reflect your beliefs? Or that you can start your own? You don't think it's a little strange that there are thousands of mutually exclusive congregations that ALL believe the others are wrong?

It is too convenient and a little strange. Many Christians as I have said before, believe this is the work of Satan, creating lies and confusion turning man against his brother. Many of the founders of the different denominations and other religions have claimed some divine revelation that they are supposed to start the one true church. Some of them even claim an angel appeared to them and told them what to do. Some of them may have just made it up, some may have been mentally ill and been hearing voices, but what about the ones that are telling the truth? From the point of view of a believer like myself, how do I know who they were talking to? For all I know it may not have been an angel sent by God, it could have been a demon sent by Satan to cause trouble, or it could have been an alien, there could be alien missionaries with advanced technology running around the Galaxy spreading their religion in this way who knows what's possible.

And who created satan?

That would have been God.

"There are 200 countries in the world now. Do these people honestly think that God is sitting around picking out his favorites? Why would he do that? Why would god have a favorite country? And why would it be the US of all places? Because you have the most money? Because he likes your national anthem? Maybe it's because he heard we have 18 delicious flavors of classic rice-a-roni. It's delusional thinking! And the US is not alone with this sort of delusion. Military cemeteries around the world are packed with brainwashed dead soldiers who were convinced God was on their side.

The US prays for God to destroy their enemies. Their enemies pray for God to destroy the US. Somebody's gonna be disappointed. Somebody's wasting their fucking time! Could it be... EVERYBODY?"
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Talking Re: LPF's Religion

On the topic of not accepting the false beliefs of any religion -

Your statement is unclear as to if that means they are all false, or, you know which are true, and believe only those.

You could clarify that, especially the beliefs you feel are true.



On NOT knowing if space is infinite, um, it is. Trust me.

If you don't trust me, try this experiment in your head:

1) Imagine the largest possible amount of space.

2) Imagine it being so large that there COULD BE NO space OUTSIDE of it.


You will quickly realize that space HAS TO BE infinite, just as time must.



As for the science, too many of y'all are confusing OUR universe with THE universe.

OUR'S is expanding.

We do not KNOW if the rest is, or not, but, it doesn't matter....expansion implies an increase in size......and there can be no space outside of all the space, because THAT space is also part of THE UNIVERSE.

As essentially no one has words for differentiating ours from the whole, analogous to us calling our sun the sun, but everyone else's sun was a star...we need a new word now that we have a better understanding of our infinitesimally small scientifically visible environment.


As matter and energy seem to pop up all by themselves even in our OWN universe, which is reported to potentially explain the faster RATE of expansion...it is not crazy to assume this type of matter/energy popping up all by itself as a function of space-time, is also doing that elsewhere as well.


So, no, it's way more complicated to have a supernatural being that creates time and space and then worries if what happened next might masterbate.

There's simply no easy way to add gods to the mix, they just make it all too complicated and illogical.





As for prayer...it implies we can change god's mind, because we know better than him what should be done.

So, god decides your baby should be born with his heart outside of his body...because maybe that baby's soul was one of the babies he wanted the head smashed open a few thousand years ago, or whatever...and he's just still really pissed at that baby...

...Or, the cardiologist prayed for a new Mercedes and set of golf clubs, and THAT'S how god answered THAT prayer.


And so forth.


The Talmud had it right I think, regarding prayer. Essentially, they say prayer is to comfort the one praying, not to change what happens. IE: It will make you feel better, but won't change anything.


A baseball player who does the thank god gestures when he gets a homerun, etc...never does it when he strikes out or makes an error.

If there WAS a god, he'd be a Mets fan? Be more interested in cricket matches?

Care who wins/loses, if someone WATCHING the game on TV is wearing their "Lucky Socks"?

Really?

When two sides fight, and both say god is on their side (Even the Nazi's said god was on their side), and yet, both sides seem to suffer losses more proportional to strategy, tactics and logistics than to who prayed harder/HAD god on their side.

God cares which COUNTRY gets a cold water port or more oil reserves, etc?

Either way, people use it, and it's an arbitrary distinction as to which team they are on. There are plenty of histories about rather ruthless and mean teams winning/conquering teams who seemed nicer...and conquering teams who were quite religious, etc.


When people bowl, and the ball is wandering over to the gutter, they use body language, etc, to desperately try to get the ball to go back to the middle....its human nature.

That's what prayer is.




The studies that correlate an individual's need to feel like they have more control over their world to how religious they are and whether they lean left or right politically, etc...all come back to the concept of humans in general, needing to feel that they can influence their world, so they they feel less insecure about being there.

The more religious will report that they found the pattern of off/on clicks that made the light go on/off....when the on/off switch was not connected to anything...and the light was going on/off all by itself on a random basis.

They saw a pattern which didn't exist, because of their very nature demanding that they come to that conclusion.

The idea of there NOT being a pattern, meant they had no control.

So, you CAN convince yourself that a pattern exists, that you feel a holy presence, that these socks WILL help your team win, etc.


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