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What if it is true regardless of the seeming inconsistencies, innocents being born with problems and all of that? I think we need to accept we live in a reality where anything can happen to anyone for no reason at all other than chance and that we don't always remember or transfer into our brains what we are aware of when removed from the body. Who says everything need be just or right in this universe, much less physical reality? I don't think so, the conscious collective can exist regardless of what goes wrong, I think.

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 Originally Posted by Cyparagon Stories cannot be substantiated, and do not qualify as evidence in science. SCIENCE says the brain is required for consciousness. If you can demonstrate otherwise, you'll be famous. Why do you think none of your youtube buddies have taken up that task?
Stories alone don't prove anything, but enough stories that are the same or very similar are an indication that there is something real happening that should be investigated. There are far too many pretend scientists who will just say "that's not possible" and won't investigate something. In some fields of science it is forbidden to go against current models or theories of how things are. I remember hearing about an archaeological dig in Mexico where they uncovered the remains of a small settlement and so they bring in a geologist to tell them how old it is and he says it's about 500,000 years, they don't believe this so they bring in 2 more geologists and both of them said 500,000 years. Well guess what? These pretend archaeologists decided that the geologists were wrong because there were no humans living there 500,000 years ago. How is that good science?

SCIENCE may say the brain is required for consciousness, but it doesn't prove it. Your computer won't work without the CPU, but all the software and data will still be there, you just can't access it. One of the things we disagree on is weather or not we have both a physical body and a spirit body, you think we only have a physical body, I think we have both, I think the spirit body interfaces with the physical body through the brain and heart, and when the physical body dies the spirit body separates and the person lives on along with all their knowledge and experience. I can't prove this so it is meaningless for now, but I have seen what I consider evidence, at least from my point of view, of course stories of what happened to someone are not evidence.

There may be no real evidence that we continue living after death in a spirit body, but there is enough evidence that there is some kind of non biological life. I explained once before in this thread why I believe what I believe. I will briefly bring it up again, I went to church as a young child and wasn't very interested, but when I was was 8 years old I experienced a genuinely haunted house, and I mean something you should only see in a movie. This made me more open minded and had me thinking maybe there is something to this, if there is an afterlife maybe there is more to this. Again the existance of some kind of non biological life isn't proof of an afterlife but it was good enough for me at the time, even if you believe it or are fortunate enough to experience it for yourself it doesn't prove a God or creator or an afterlife for humans, but I would argue that it's evidence for something. Later in my life with a continued interest in such things I was able to see a ghost and able to speak to spirits through a OuiJa board, something I haven't done in many many years and wouldn't do again, I really advise against it, however for the nonbelievers I could make some suggestions how you could get some interesting results if you are interested. There is so much evidence of something, you can record them (EVP), you can photograph them, you can talk to them through a OuiJa board.

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 Originally Posted by VisibleGreen It must be terrible for you atheists. No hope for the future. No meaning in life. No value or reason to live and the fact that everything will eventually become inert lifeless matter.
I have often wondered about this myself, it is difficult for me to try to imagine such thinking, although I had such thinking until I was 8 years old, but when you're 8 years old you are never going to die, but they seem to be able to live for today and continue with their lives OK so I don't know what to think.

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 Originally Posted by VisibleGreen Also I don't cherry pick. The bible isn't as complicated as you guys think it is. As I said you just aren't educated on the matter. The cross? It's wrong on many levels. Historically the cross wasn't used until a later time. The bible also is against idiols so plastering the cross on your walls, jewelry, tatoos and everything else is also wrong. That's just one example.
I agree idols are bad, but I disagree about the cross, it is the most important symbol of Christianity, it is a reminder to us of something that happened, it is not an idol. Are you LDS? I know they don't like crosses, I have friends that are LDS and they are very nice generous people but I disagree on some things with them.

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 Originally Posted by Pi R Squared I have often wondered about this myself, it is difficult for me to try to imagine such thinking, although I had such thinking until I was 8 years old, but when you're 8 years old you are never going to die, but they seem to be able to live for today and continue with their lives OK so I don't know what to think. I agree idols are bad, but I disagree about the cross, it is the most important symbol of Christianity, it is a reminder to us of something that happened, it is not an idol. Are you LDS? I know they don't like crosses, I have friends that are LDS and they are very nice generous people but I disagree on some things with them. Alan
Not sure what LDS is so I'm probably not that lol.
I hear you about the cross. Yes it's a big symbol for christianity but it's also disproved by the bible.

Please take the time to read the following I got from a site I trust:

Many view the cross as the most common symbol of Christianity. However, the Bible does not describe the instrument of Jesus’ death, so no one can know its shape with absolute certainty. Still, the Bible provides evidence that Jesus died, not on a cross, but on an upright stake.

The Bible generally uses the Greek word stau·ros′ when referring to the instrument of Jesus’ execution. (Matthew 27:40; John 19:17) Although translations often render this word “cross,” many scholars agree that its basic meaning is actually “upright stake.” * According to A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament, stau·ros′ “never means two pieces of wood joining each other at any angle.”

The Bible also uses the Greek word xy′lon as a synonym for stau·ros′. (Acts 5:30; 1 Peter 2:24) This word means “wood,” “timber,” “stake,” or “tree.” * The Companion Bible thus concludes: “There is nothing in the Greek of the N[ew] T[estament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”
Is using the cross in worship acceptable to God?

A crux simplex—the Latin term for a single stake used for impalement of a criminal

Regardless of the shape of the instrument on which Jesus died, the following facts and Bible verses indicate that we should not use the cross in worship.

God rejects worship that uses images or symbols, including the cross. God commanded the Israelites not to use “the form of any symbol” in their worship, and Christians are likewise told to “flee from idolatry.”—Deuteronomy 4:15-19; 1 Corinthians 10:14.

First-century Christians did not use the cross in worship. * The teachings and example of the apostles set a pattern that all Christians should adhere to.—2 Thessalonians 2:15.

Use of the cross in worship has a pagan origin. * Hundreds of years after the death of Jesus, when the churches had deviated from his teachings, new church members “were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols,” including the cross. (The Expanded Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words) However, the Bible does not condone adopting pagan symbols to help make new converts.—2 Corinthians 6:17.

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 Originally Posted by VisibleGreen You would be wrong about that. Amazing how this thread turns what once were decent people into enemies.
We are not enemies, I just have a bugger of a headache tonight, I did not mean to come across as rude.

Believe what makes you happy, and lets all work towards common goals.
We have a lot bigger fish to fry right now as so much is at stake in our world. I think we can all agree that Freedom should always be respected even when we disagree on other beliefs.

Alaskan hit on an important point, respecting each others freedom is the most important thing, but one mans freedom ends where another's begins.

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 Originally Posted by RedCowboy We are not enemies, I just have a bugger of a headache tonight, I did not mean to come across as rude. Believe what makes you happy, and lets all work towards common goals. We have a lot bigger fish to fry right now as so much is at stake in our world. I think we can all agree that Freedom should always be respected even when we disagree on other beliefs. Alaskan hit on an important point, respecting each others freedom is the most important thing, but one mans freedom ends where another's begins.
You have no idea how much better this makes me feel. I appreciate it and I hope your headache subsides quickly.

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 Originally Posted by VisibleGreen You have no idea how much better this makes me feel. I appreciate it and I hope your headache subsides quickly.
Excellent!

So, about the subjective and objective aspects you wanted to answer, I am still looking forward to your response.

PS - In a discussion, especially in a forum who's sole purpose is discussion, please try to remember that humans are not all the same, and, not agreeing with you is not equal to being your enemy.

Friends can simply disagree, just as spouses can, yet still love each other.

Rejection of an IDEA is not the same as rejection of the idea's holder.

If we feel people MUST agree with us, or else they are our enemy, we will have too many enemies.

It is far better to hear everyone's opinion/thoughts with an open mind...the same way you'd want them to hear YOUR thoughts and ideas...and simply allow yourself to consider the other's points as potentially valid, roll them around as if they were your own, and see what that feels like/sparks inside, etc.

My favorite technique is to immediately assume I was wrong, and then slip the other person's reality/thought, etc...into my world, and see if it will "run". If I run their idea, and nothing conflicts, and it seems to work, I'll follow it where ever it goes.

Global climate change was an issue like that for me. Decades ago, I assumed it was more likely to be from the natural temperature cycles, ice ages, etc, the planet has exhibited for millennia. I tried the concept of anthropomorphic causes, this time, and it worked. I followed it up, and, sure enough, I had been wrong...the evidence I had scoffed at was valid, and, overwhelming when looked at without "An agenda".

So, an open mind can let in new ideas. It can also let old ones out.

So, when a disagreement arises, consider all of this.

Once you accept that that's how they feel...and it's not how you feel, hold the concept of the idea, not the person, being the problem.

Far too many fights result from people not being ABLE to allow someone to disagree with them.

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Yes, that's very true Teej.
And may I say thank you to LPF for allowing such discussion.
On another forum I'm on, this would not be allowed.

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 Originally Posted by RB astro Yes, that's very true Teej. And may I say thank you to LPF for allowing such discussion. On another forum I'm on, this would not be allowed.
Forums, true forums, are rare these days.

A format that allows people to really discuss things in depth is refreshing, and eye opening.

The fact that this is within the framework of a laser forum is also amazing, unless you consider that the average member is more of a geek than, say, a jeep forum (Also there...).......and, statistically more likely to have a certain level of intelligence (It's a bell curve of course...)...

...which ALLOWS people from a wide background to unite in their love of a common object (Lasers), and discuss OTHER topics in off topic venues, such as how they feel, and what they believe.

Too often, narrowly focused forums are one dimensional, and all the members hold the same ideologies, etc. That gives a one dimensional view of the world, and tends to make people think that a higher proportion of the population as a whole, feels a certain way,as the members tend to reinforce each other's beliefs.

For extremists, this can be very very significant.

Here, due TO our very diversity, we can discuss a wide array of topics in a meaningful way.

Before the internet, etc, how would people from all over share their ideas in this convenient a fashion?

An online forum, where there ARE dissenting opinions, is VERY healthy.

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 Originally Posted by Cyparagon I live my life under the assumption that no deities exist, because none have thus far been demonstrated to exist, but I cannot know that no deities exist.
Jesus demonstrated God exists.

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 Originally Posted by Cyparagon The alternative - what you suggest - is living my life under the assumption that a countless number of deities exist (because none of them have been proven to not exist), which is absurd and contradictory.
I've never suggested to assume that, but I do suggest you see the evidence and to at least acknowledge belief in Jesus is a reasonable belief.

Your alternative is to hold true to what you do not know. Even Bertrand Russell acknowledged that he ought to call himself an agnostic.

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 Originally Posted by Cyparagon Not quite. The notion is "It's true. Prove me wrong." I've considered it, and rejected it, because that's not how evidence works. It's just another russel's teapot.

That's not at all how the information in that article is presented. So you maybe read 10% of a relatively short article, and are rejecting the whole thing. This is not "entertaining a thought without accepting it" or as Aristotle put it, "the mark of an educated mind".

I do research your Biblical criticisms for myself to see if I would agree or disagree, but I'm having a hard time trusting you sufficiently expose yourself to both sides of the argument.
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For myself, I am fairly disgusted with organized religion and the limitations they present upon their members. The first most obvious indication I see that a religion is false is when they proclaim you can't progress, or will be punished if you don't belong, accept and believe in what they teach as the truth and spiritual path to what they call God. When I see that, they are automatically discredited in my mind because I have no doubts we are in essence innately spiritual beings simply because we are self conscious. I see individuals such as Jesus were simply enlightened men, to a degree and that there have been many enlightened individuals throughout the ages and when ever a dogmatic religion is founded upon any of them is when we have lost their message. I believe we are all sons and daughters of this thing called God which is simply the whole aware of itself, at some level, nothing more or less and of which we are parts, pieces of the whole which without us, that wholeness would not exist at all, including this thing called God by many.

As far as atheists, when it comes to their rejection of "God" as taught by religions, I believe they are more right than wrong in so many ways, they deserve respect for rejecting the non-sense, but unfortunately, through that rejection many won't allow themselves to see their own spiritual natures and that the physics of this universe allows us to continue beyond our physical lives, that some part of us survives, from everything I've come to see now, this is the reality but not due to religion, being good here or not, we all survive death due to entanglement of information to create what is often called a soul which can continue to exist outside of this reality without our batteries running down, so to speak. Here, in this reality it takes energy for something to continue to exist, on the other side we are the energy which when operating in a timeless reality, cannot dissipate into nothingness.

I can't prove any of the above, no use arguing it or telling me I'm wrong, this is simply how I see things, but feel free to tell me anyway, if you wish.
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How did Jesus prove god exists?

We're barely sure Jesus existed, let alone that he had a Dad who was a deity, etc.

IE:

Premise: There's no proof that god exists.

Answer: His son said his dad existed, and, the he was also his dad....so he's saying HE existed.

Um, not that strong a proof...as the assumption that Jesus was the son of god requires there to be a dad...and, the question is whether his dad was god...

IE: I'm a priest.

How do I know you're not lying?

Would a priest lie?

And so forth.

So, yes, there is no proof god exists...at least that has ever been presented and found to be a valid proof.

The rules to be valid are the same rules used for any argument, there is no bias, just logic. If, logically, there were a valid argument, I would be very very receptive to it.

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"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”" - C. S. Lewis
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 Originally Posted by TheDukeAnumber1 "I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”" - C. S. Lewis

That presents a false dichotomy, in that there are other options, as well as lunacy or deity.

For example, the most LIKELY scenario is neither a lunatic or a deity, but a Jewish zealot, rebelling against the Romans, with his cause being establishment of a fundamentalist, strict interpretation of Judaism.

Hundreds of years later, the Catholic Church wrote a narrative that reframed his story to that of the Jesus we know today. It was done to present a religion that encouraged ignorance as bliss, meekness inheriting the earth, beating swords into plowshares, being loyal to your masters, paying even more taxes than asked for, turning the other cheek, and other non-rebellious ideas.

As some places mentioned in the bible didn't actually exist at the time they needed to, Bethlehem for example, did not exist until hundreds of years after Jesus was alleged to have been born there....but those writing the narrative did not know it wasn't there, and said stuff happened there because it worked at the time....and so forth.

So, the most likely scenario is not that there was a man-god child of himself who impregnated his own mother while leaving her a virgin...or a lunatic who would THINK that's what he did....but that the story was a fiction invented to control the masses.

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You're repeating the same Biblical criticisms to me you have before. I've researched them for myself and have found them to be unconvincing.
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What was unconvincing?

That the bible mentions things happening in places that didn't exist yet?

If you use the bible as a source of its own veracity, you will tend to find a veracity pattern.

You needed no convincing to accept what the bible says is true, yet, there is SIGNIFICANT evidence that the bible has untruths...and none, except in its own pages, that say its all true.

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Feel free to source your claims. I don't find you credible when you say things like...

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And here claiming to know something you cannot know or even reasonably assume.
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