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Old 09-23-2015, 08:33 PM #5777
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If you want your opinions to be respected and properly argued against, you should avoid the trolling and the offensive statements meant to provoke and insult
Given your post LPF's Religion this is definitely a case of the pot calling the kettle black.


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Im sorry Alan but your 2 posts on this page exemplify exactly why I say the things I say. Religious privilege. Its fine you for to put up memes comparing a person that accept the facts, evolution, to an ape pissing in its own mouth, but when I call Christian beliefs absurd somehow I am the one scaring away new member's and insulting billions of people. This is exactly the religious privilege that fire brand atheists are done conceding to. Only the feeling of the religious matter.

The anti atheist and evolution memes have been just as many as the opposite. Its just your Christian privilege that makes you think those are okay and the world should be expected to not take offense. I am here to remind you equal means equality.
That is only the second time I have posted such a anti athiest meme and as far as I know I am the only one in this thread who has, if I am mistaken please enlighten me. I have only done so those two times in retaliation to offensive statements. I had a feeling you can dish it out but can't take it, I see I am correct.

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No Duke I am saying Christians give as good as they get and to stop complaining about it. I think these memes are completely fair game on both sides. My point, which you seem to miss a lot, is that you should not expect special treatment because you are on the side of religion.
meme away.
So no I don't see the hypocrisy.
You can't expect special treatment either, your not superior to anyone else here. If you want to insult other people's beliefs then expect insults directed at your beliefs.

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Given your post LPF's Religion this is definitely a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Look who's talking, you are the single worst offender in this thread, you never wanted any discussion here, nearly all of your posts in this thread are anti Christian memes, some of them very offensive. Clearly your intent was to chase away any Christians or to try to get one to argue with you.

We should all be able to have a discussion here without resorting to the memes and insults, but if not then so be it. God will forgive you because you don't know what your doing. I am going to pray for both of you.

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Pi, don't forget the way we've seen evolution take shape is that we didn't evolve FROM apes, humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor, yknow. Also, we're all humans from the same human race so if you say we're genetically similar to auto-urine gargling animals, you are too
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All you guys do is point the finger. It's why I deleted my post and yet you guys just had to quote it anyway because this is what you do. Don't you get it? It doesn't matter who you point your finger at, you're all guilty of doing it. None of this thread is respectable and honorable.
The only reason this thread is here is to prevent you guys from spreading this bs onto other threads of the forum. At least that's what every mod has to say about it.

Seriously if you need a thread to contain your uncontrollable outrage against religion (This isn't even a religion thread mind you) then you need help and shouldn't be allowed to be here.
Sorry for being so blunt but it's just how it is. Just promise me you guys will try to get along? Find a common ground?
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Look who's talking, you are the single worst offender in this thread, you never wanted any discussion here, nearly all of your posts in this thread are anti Christian memes, some of them very offensive. Clearly your intent was to chase away any Christians or to try to get one to argue with you.
I'm honored you think so

Though you should be aware I do censor what I post here. For example there were quite a few abortion related meme's and comics I've come across that would probably cause you to have an aneurysm. I also don't have any particular enmity to christianity. There just happens to be more funny, rather than blatantly offensive humor out there regarding christians than any other religious group.

The problem is it's impossible to actually have an argument with you, or some other people here. The discussion goes on and on, primarily relying on circular reasoning. Frankly I got tired of it, and while I still do read the thread I haven't posted prior to today in quite some time.

See, I know exactly where I stand on religion, and I'm not offended by your post. Just thought it was extremely uncouth for you to claim any kind of moral high ground while committing the same act.

There is one common religious tenet I do admire, and try to live by, most atheists do in my experience, that is, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The rest... just entertainment. So long as people don't take it too seriously.

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I often feel the same way, and am also getting tired of it.


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Duke try to understand I can tell you are genuinely a really nice good person
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How? What benefit is there?

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This thread is so sad. I pondered a long time if I should even step into this whirlwind but I will. I am objective, have a large science background but am also Roman Catholic. I see a need for organized religion to help third world countries and people throughout the world including the USA. I also understand that if people want the help fine but if they do not want the help or do not want to hear our beliefs than do not push it on them. I live by what some one posted earlier about do onto the other person as you would want them to do to you. If they fall down, help them up. If they just had a good stroke of fortune, do not be jealous but be happy for them. Don't steal or hurt them as I don't want that to happen to me either. I will protect myself though if you come busting through my door in the middle of the night. Some people do not have faith/religion in their lives but others do. It is a very personal decision and I do not base a persons worth on that at all. I base a persons worth on what they do and how they act long term. Everybody has an off day now and then so I give them the benefit of the doubt but if they are a jerk long term, well then that is what they choose to be and it sure does not matter what religion or nonreligion they are. Some see being an atheist or having faith as a weakness but I do not agree with that. I skirted a lot of issues but those issues can be argued until the cows come home and there really is no right or wrong. Anything can be picked apart, look at the moon landing, the world trade center buildings and so on. Everybody has their opinions on "what really happened" I really wish I could go back about 2030 years ago to see what really happened and let you all know also but I can't. I have my faith but I am not going to push it on anyone. I try to be the best person that I can be and I sleep well at night.
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This thread is so sad. I pondered a long time if I should even step into this whirlwind but I will. I am objective, have a large science background but am also Roman Catholic. I see a need for organized religion to help third world countries and people throughout the world including the USA. I also understand that if people want the help fine but if they do not want the help or do not want to hear our beliefs than do not push it on them. I live by what some one posted earlier about do onto the other person as you would want them to do to you. If they fall down, help them up. If they just had a good stroke of fortune, do not be jealous but be happy for them. Don't steal or hurt them as I don't want that to happen to me either. I will protect myself though if you come busting through my door in the middle of the night. Some people do not have faith/religion in their lives but others do. It is a very personal decision and I do not base a persons worth on that at all. I base a persons worth on what they do and how they act long term. Everybody has an off day now and then so I give them the benefit of the doubt but if they are a jerk long term, well then that is what they choose to be and it sure does not matter what religion or nonreligion they are. Some see being an atheist or having faith as a weakness but I do not agree with that. I skirted a lot of issues but those issues can be argued until the cows come home and there really is no right or wrong. Anything can be picked apart, look at the moon landing, the world trade center buildings and so on. Everybody has their opinions on "what really happened" I really wish I could go back about 2030 years ago to see what really happened and let you all know also but I can't. I have my faith but I am not going to push it on anyone. I try to be the best person that I can be and I sleep well at night.
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This is all bible prophesy anyway. Babylon the great represents world religions and the wild beast on which she rides are the world governments. Eventually the wild beast will turn on her and eat her fleshly parts meaning religion will be abolished.
We can already see this happening. It's only a matter of time so don't expect to see people ever get a long with this.

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Though you should be aware I do censor what I post here. For example there were quite a few abortion related meme's and comics I've come across that would probably cause you to have an aneurysm. I also don't have any particular enmity to christianity. There just happens to be more funny, rather than blatantly offensive humor out there regarding christians than any other religious group.
Your content is censored? I'd hate to see it uncencored. "An aneurysm"? Seriously? Do you know nothing but how to insult?

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The problem is it's impossible to actually have an argument with you, or some other people here. The discussion goes on and on, primarily relying on circular reasoning. Frankly I got tired of it, and while I still do read the thread I haven't posted prior to today in quite some time.
No the problem is the attitude behind the jokes and insults. Actual discussion doesn't go on but the gifs and pngs do.

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See, I know exactly where I stand on religion, and I'm not offended by your post. Just thought it was extremely uncouth for you to claim any kind of moral high ground while committing the same act.
He has a right to take a moral high ground because he doesn't post inappropriate jokes and then try to justify them.

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There is one common religious tenet I do admire, and try to live by, most atheists do in my experience, that is, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The rest... just entertainment. So long as people don't take it too seriously.
Funny as this is what the bible says for you to do. What happens when someone takes it seriously? It becomes even more entertaining for you which is very sad.

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Yes it's your fault for not having the proper education. Reading wikipedia is not the proper way to learn about the bible but honestly you care not to learn about it anyway so don't blame anyone but yourself.

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If there is a God, that is a creator of life on earth, then I doubt that we are any more than a science project at best, most likely we evolved out of the muck as the evidence shows.

A joke I once heard comes to mind.
A preacher standing on a street corner sees a man driving towards the intersection when he hits a huge pothole and a wheel falls off his car.
Angry as can be the man jumps out and begins to swear, God Dam It he says, so the preacher shouts out, NO NO my son, do not take our lords name in vein, say God Bless instead and your problems will be less burdensome as God is always listening and cares for us all.

So...the next day, same guy, same pothole, BAM...another wheel falls off.
The man is furious, he jumps out and begins to curse and the preacher yells out NO NO my son...the man waves and says ok ok.

Well upon the third day the same man in the same car hits that same massive pothole and all 4 wheels fall off his car.
The man is foaming at the mouth with rage as he jumps out and as he is about to curse he looks up and sees the preacher standing on the corner shaking his finger.
So the man looks to the sky, sighs and says God Bless...
At that moment all four wheels jump back onto his car and the man smiles and looks toward the preacher who appears totally stunned in utter disbelief as he yells GOD DAM!

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If there is a God, that is a creator of life on earth, then I doubt that we are any more than a science project at best, most likely we evolved out of the muck as the evidence shows.
The entire universe may well be a science project. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WE EVOLVED OUT OF THE MUCK! No one has yet been able to explain how life came into existence, even the simplest single cell life is far too complicated for us to make one, and no one has yet created life in a laboratory.

Your joke isn't especially funny, however it reminds me of a movie I saw about 35 years ago. It was a werewolf movie and in part of the movie this preacher took this group of young people on a camping trip in a van, and they just happened to camp in the area where the werewolf was roaming around. One or two of these young people saw it and ran back to camp yelling and said what they saw and just then they could all hear it near by, the preacher says something like "don't worry I'll take care of this demon" and he makes his way through some trees and bushes and sees it, and it looks at him and growls at him, he is shocked at what he sees and shouts Jesus Christ and runs away. I don't know the title of the movie and never saw it again but that scene was funny, few horror movies include any comedy. The movie was probably mid 70's to 1980, does anyone know what movie that was?

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The entire universe may well be a science project. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WE EVOLVED OUT OF THE MUCK! No one has yet been able to explain how life came into existence, even the simplest single cell life is far too complicated for us to make one, and no one has yet created life in a laboratory.
Not entirely true. We were able to write and create our own chemical DNA with its own traits, that reproduces and behaves like a bacteria, in the body of an emptied out bacteria, and all of these conditions were controlled and not next to nature. This was as far back as half a decade ago: Scientists Create First Synthetic Cell - WSJ
Here is an explanation of how simple molecules formed into complex ones and amino acids, developing further into DNA:
"Earth was able to support life only after the planet had cooled enough for a rocky crust to solidify. Once that happened, water vapor from volcanoes condensed in the atmosphere, fell as rain, and collected on the Earth’s surface. Besides water vapor, volcanoes also produced gases rich in the basic ingredients of life: carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Toxic gases such as ammonia and methane were common. At this point, Earth's early atmosphere consisted entirely of these volcanic gases, and there was no free oxygen. In the primordial “soup” of the early seas, organic molecules concentrated, formed more complex molecules, and became simple cells.

The transition from complex organic molecules to living cells could have occurred in several environments. Small, warm ponds are one possibility, but recent work has suggested that deep-sea hydrothermal vents, such as those found along mid-ocean spreading centers today, may have been the cradle of Earth's life. These environments contain the chemicals and the source of energy needed to synthesize more complex organic structures. Although scientists have not succeeded in creating life from organic molecules in the laboratory, they have reproduced many of the intermediate steps."

I remember reading in a book when I was young about the Miller/Urey experiment, where they simulated what was thought to be at the time the atmospheric conditions of pre-life eras. They introduced basic chemicals that would've been ejecti from volcanic eruptions, as well as water representing the ocean, and an electric spark to simulate lightning, to break down and combine molecules in the atmosphere. Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment
And here: The Miller/Urey Experiment
And here is a plausible theory on how the first cells came to be from hydrothermal vents in the oceans (sorry for all the article linking
https://www.newscientist.com/article...e-first-cells/
I could go into a lot more detail on how different life forms would evolve from that single common ancestor (a theory with now abundant supporting evidence), as well as why us humans have consciences and emotions and such. But only if I'm not so lazy and if someone asks for my two cents .
And sorry, I did a quick search but came up with nothing for that movie Alan.
EDIT: also, what's the point behind this thread? Like what's the topic, is there a question as the topic at hand or are we just... discussing..?
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God gives us his rules, but none of us understand them, and it's OUR fault?
Yes it's your fault for not having the proper education. Reading wikipedia is not the proper way to learn about the bible but honestly you care not to learn about it anyway so don't blame anyone but yourself.
You're missing the point entirely. This was a statement on how humanity doesn't understand God's will, and you've turned it into a personal attack. Again.

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I see a need for organized religion to help third world countries
So you believe only organized religion can help third world countries?

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I live by what some one posted earlier about do onto the other person as you would want them to do to you.
Yes, the golden rule. There are a few problems with this though.
1 - Christianity isn't the first to propose this.
2 - It assumes all people want to be treated the same.
3 - The bible actually has more passages advocating "eye for an eye".

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No one has yet been able to explain how life came into existence
Correct. Yourself included.

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even the simplest single cell life is far too complicated for us to make one, and no one has yet created life in a laboratory.
We're closer than you think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium
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Not entirely true. We were able to write and create our own chemical DNA with its own traits, that reproduces and behaves like a bacteria, in the body of an emptied out bacteria, and all of these conditions were controlled and not next to nature.
Yes entirely true. What does modifying DNA and inserting it into an existing bacteria have to do with creating life?

Sure we can genetically alter existing life, or even combine two different species into something new, like the spyder goats they are now using to make something called BioSteel, an abomination if there ever was one.

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Although scientists have not succeeded in creating life from organic molecules in the laboratory, they have reproduced many of the intermediate steps."
Not very many of what is required, I think they have a long way to go. I am not interested in what "could have" or "may have" or unproven theories. Someone needs to demonstrate a simple single cell organism forming in the equivalent of a natural environment.

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what's the point behind this thread? Like what's the topic, is there a question as the topic at hand or are we just... discussing..?
If you had done some reading you would see there isn't any point to this thread.

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Yes, the golden rule. There are a few problems with this though.
1 - Christianity isn't the first to propose this.
2 - It assumes all people want to be treated the same.
3 - The bible actually has more passages advocating "eye for an eye".
Yes I think it's derived from karma, this predates Christianity by probably 1500 years and may be older than that.

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Correct. Yourself included.
Yes neither religion or science has proof of how life came into existence, maybe one day.

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I don't think so, again inserting DNA into an existing cell is far from creating life.

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Gods is waiting for humanity to extend our lifespans indefinitely and learn to bend the fabric of space/time so that we may travel the heavens as masters of our own destiny, able to create life from the elements and elements from energy and of course limitless energy from matter as matter and energy are one in the same.
But we can not even get past our own shortcomings, we are guided by our chemicals, if we are hungry, horny, sleepy, happy, sad or mad.
No we need the control that is organized religion to guide us, to give us something bigger than government so we have the courage to keep it in check.
Yet those in control of religion have not learned, the catholic church failed to punish the pedophile priests, now they advertise " come back to the church ".
Religion is control. it can be used to get healthy young men to fly airplanes into buildings.
Read about the history of religion, how many people were brutally killed during the crusades, how many are killed today because of mans use of it?
When will we evolve to understand that God is gravity, reliable, dependable, always the same.
God will not bend to our will, but we can learn and become gods ourselves, but not until we let go of our imaginary friends hand and learn to understand and control ourselves.
Watch the Chinese, they are moving ahead as we burn out.
This is nothing new, it has happened many times throughout history.

From bondage people turn to spiritual faith, they believe in something more than them selves and gain great courage that they use to take liberty from the tyrants.
Out of liberty grows great abundance but selfishness, a natural human trait left over from our survival after the ice age, something religion kept at bay as people worked together to gain liberty now sets in and selfishness leads to complacency and eventually apathy, people watch their leaders lie cheat and steal on the news but will not lift a finger.
Sadly apathy leads to dependency, just like now as we need public healthcare and Wal-Mart workers get food stamps because their pay is not enough.
Dependency as a famous writer once said is the velvet glove that bondage slips it's ready hand.
Human religion is all about control.
God is something completely different.

It's sad when you think of all that we could be.
But people lack unity, only in times of struggle, world war, after a natural disaster.
Greedy tyrant leaders divide us, man/woman, young/old, rich/poor, black/white....ect
In order to evolve we must be less short sighted and in some cases sacrifice for others.
If only we had a basic set of rules...the commandments.
And if we had a set of guidelines...Our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Think about if, from riding the backs of horses and burning things for light and heat to landing on the moon in 100 years.
But now the Tyrants begin to rule as the unity we found in religion slips.
When will we teach our young how things really work, so we can truly evolve?
Maybe not until we all understand ourselves, maybe not until after the next big reset....maybe after the middle east goes nuclear and if, just if the survivors teach the young and unity prevails for long enough, GOD just think what mankind could do if we all worked together, we may pass the test, unlock all the secrets, travel out and create life and finally sit with God, but it won't happen until we earn it.

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