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You say "poe-tay-toe"

I say "poe-tah-toe"

and my Dad called 'em "taters"

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What's the difference between a PotAto and a potato ??

About 57 cents per pound. Dumb asses will pay the extra.

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What's the difference between a PotAto and a potato ??
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I could be wrong but I bet it offends your ego that something may work outside your understanding of the universe. I know science and have used it as an engineer for years. It’s also limited in the ability to study this subject. I have studied different belief systems, prayed and meditated for years also. I have put the time into it to have confirmed the legitimacy of a spiritual world.
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The details are not totally understood but the spirit world exists.
It is common for people to think they know science but lack the basic understanding in the scientific methodology.

Formulas and technologies are not science; science is a way of acquiring knowledge based on empiricism and experimentation. As soon as you "believe" in something supernatural, you are no longer understanding the world based on what is observable.
Instead, you are just creating a desirable explanation based on wishful imagination.
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What's the difference between a PotAto and a potato ??

About 57 cents per pound. Dumb asses will pay the extra.

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Please explain this to me, a non-native English speaker
It deals with "accents" or "inflection" in the language that denote the person's social position. The pronunciation of "po-TAH-to" denotes an "upper class" inflection. This one refers to the pronunciation of the word in what is known as the "braham" accent that is used by the "social elite" (uber rich) of the Boston area. Think Senator Edward Kennedy or Thurston Howell III (from "Gilligan's Island" Official Gilligan's Island Fan Club ·´¯`·.¸ ¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> ·´¯`· .¸¸.->.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> )

The implication is that if you said it this way then you would be willing to pay more money for your potatoes simply because you were rich.

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These conversations always make me think of whatever obscure Mike Myers movie where he is saying "you put the wrong emPHAsis on the wrong syLLAble."

YouTube - You put the wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable

Perhaps the only redeeming sentence in the entire movie.
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These conversations always make me think of whatever obscure Mike Myers movie where he is saying "you put the wrong emPHAsis on the wrong syLLAble."
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It deals with "accents" or "inflection" in the language that denote the person's social position. The pronunciation of "po-TAH-to" denotes an "upper class" inflection. This one refers to the pronunciation of the word in what is known as the "braham" accent that is used by the "social elite" (uber rich) of the Boston area. Think Senator Edward Kennedy or Thurston Howell III (from "Gilligan's Island" Official Gilligan's Island Fan Club ·´¯`·.¸ ¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> ·´¯`· .¸¸.->.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> )

The implication is that if you said it this way then you would be willing to pay more money for your potatoes simply because you were rich.

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Great! Thanks a lot for explaining Now I get it
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Great! Thanks a lot for explaining Now I get it
No problem. Anything for you. You know that you are my reason for living, don't you?

As soon as I get my RPL-BLUE-40 back from the thieves, I am going to send it to you.

I prayed about it yesterday. So the thieves should be bringing it back sometime later today.

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No problem. Anything for you. You know that you are my reason for living, don't you?

As soon as I get my RPL-BLUE-40 back from the thieves, I am going to send it to you.

I prayed about it yesterday. So the thieves should be bringing it back sometime later today.

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I'm going to laugh at you if it shows up now.
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You are welcomed to laugh at me even if it doesn't arrive

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No problem. Anything for you. You know that you are my reason for living, don't you? And you are mine!

As soon as I get my RPL-BLUE-40 back from the thieves, I am going to send it to you.

I prayed about it yesterday. So the thieves should be bringing it back sometime later today.

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Your wit simply amazes me.

I would like to see a "daguin" gang like "dagguers" that instad of rapping trying to make rhymes they're presented with a phrase or comment and have to quickly make a witty response to it.

"Dagging clubs", etc. Just imagine how cool that'd be.


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How can you laugh at somebody who has an RPL?

Also, there's a completely physical explanation if it appears (see? back on topic too ).
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sightfx, well thought and nicely balanced words... I see a reflection of my own thoughts in what you wrote and in some ways it's like talking to an older self hope you won't be offended, it's just my impression. I'll start by addressing the later part of your reply, namely that
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Atheists have posted many bad armature psychology posts as to why a believer must be a believer. All from the prospective that they are on the regressive path. They have to do with fear and weakness of one sort or another. I guess it chafes me because it’s irrational to thing that they could assess the motives of anyone from their position and there is always the suggestion that you must through away your intelect of you never had much of one to believe what you do.
First of all, belief systems can be roughly devided in two categories, deistic and theistic. The previous discussion in this thread has focused mostly around theistic beliefs, especially the judeo-christian-muslim doctrine. I will say it unequivocally: it is my oppinion that someone who really believes (like really, with all their heart) what is written in those books is either shutting their brains off or severely lacking in emotional development. That's not to say they would be bad people in any way, just... troubled. And somewhat dangerous, depending on the strength of their "faith". On the other hand, from my interaction with "believers" (and there are many around) I came to the conclusion that most are firmly deists, with some superstitions thrown in for good measure. Most "Christians" don't really believe in the bible and if they read a few words to begin with (which is rare) they recognise it for the collection of fables and myths that it is. They are just too superstitious to renounce it completely, because of the one-off chance it somehow "might be true" -- just like that black cat crossing your way, even if you know it's an idiotic superstition (and many an innocent animal has suffered needlessly for it), you just can't shake that little voice whispering "but what if... what if?..."

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I know many believers with spot on excelent intelect and resoning skills. Try finding one and asking them why they believe. I bet you get a great story of something that happened that changed the way they see the world for ever.
... I must agree completely! People have all sorts of experiences, every one of them is unique, and the brain is especially adept at providing explanations, especially to the more creative among us. But all that means is that each of those people creates their own personal religion, their own personal "link" with the supernatural that is in some ways similar and in others completely opposed to the ones of their neighbour. Even if they label themselves with the official denomination of their parents, there is no more doctrine that unites everyone, appart from belief in "something super". I must say that this is a much more reasonable position to hold than the theist one, and a lot of the supposedly "believing" scientists held such a position (like the oft-misquoted relativity guy for example).

However, this raises an important problem: if you accept that there is a supernatural force, yet you don't fixate it in the template of an established religion, then that force can be literally anything. Maybe there is a god and it is just a kid or an apprentice, trying it's hand at creating Universes, and ours was "lesson 2, chapter 7"; or perhaps there is a big game between gods and each takes turns at doing stuff to the world; or what about the classical malevolent God (hence maltheism)? The possibilities are endless, and the "good, loving, caring" creator is really just one of them. Even worse, you can't really exclude the others, ever -- maybe the evil god is pretending to be good, rewarding you prayers and all, only to set you up for a bad fall later in life -- if there is no way to "know" the will of a god, there is absolutely no way to disprove that.

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My particular motives are simple. I’ve had experiences that do not follow natural law. Latest one was a Van spinning out of control at 70mph going around a corner of an icy highway that was put straight and back in the lane it was supposed to be in while I prayed for them. There is a longer story here because there were reasons I knew it was going to happen before it did and why I was praying about it before it did but the point is that my motives for believing is because things like this actually do happen in my experience. Unexplainable "super natural" things and wow that is exciting. Does it mean that I have all the answers and the whole truth…no. No way. My human mind doesn’t have the capacity to know the mind of God. What motivates me is a great curiosity and excitement of what I am going to be shown next.
First of all, I've had exactly this type of experiences myself. And like you, I was mostly a deist with christian roots, interpreting all through that lens and even engaging in talks like this with some of my coleagues... So I will go out on a limb here and say that I know how you feel. In what I consider a fortunate development, after a lot of reading, thinking and debating, it slowly became clear to me that it was nothing but wishful thinking... It is important to realise that we all suffer from something called "confirmation bias", it is simply a property of our brains, working in very insidious ways. The linked article does a good job of explaining the phenomenon, and even if you feel inclined to dismiss this as "maybe, surely not in my case" just try and keep it in mind the next time you really wish for something and it doesn't turn out the way you want.

Above that, even if someone where to carefully study the said events and arrive at the conclusion that "something unexplained happened", remember that there is no proof it was one god or another... what if the spirits of our ancestors guard us in cases like this? No gods, just a bunch of spirits; what if there is some mutant power in select people that allows them to move vehicles and predict the future? Sure, it sounds fantastic and unrealistic, but then again, so does the presuposition of an all-powerful god!

Of course, you may disagree, and it is fine, as you said we all have our own perspectives... But maybe you'll give the above a thought and filter your observations through an additional layer

As for me, frankly I have no problem with deistic beliefs or practices, simply because there is no "dogma" to influence and coerce behaviour, so people are forced to make their own choices and reason about their actions, which always results in a better outcome than taking some thousand-years-old book about desert tribes as truth. However, there is a problem, the same I hold against any form of religion, in that by encouraging belief in the supernatural and explanations based on "faith", a deist creates fertile ground for all sorts of aberations to come into the world (most of which he would probably not support either), like fundamentalism, astrology or homeopathy (heh). And the only way to combat those is to stop "respecting" belief in the name of belief, and only give our regards to reason and facts. Tough job...

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Nicely said, I'll just add a quote from Tolstoy taken from the article above:
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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Being dislexsic I am into DOG.....but only if spayed or neutered--<(@U@)>
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