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Would you guys just stop this bs? You don't want to believe in a god then fine, that's your decision. Don't insult people who do.



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Would you guys just stop this bs? You don't want to believe in a god then fine, that's your decision. Don't insult people who do.
Why is it OK to insult people who don't believe in your religion if you are Christian?

Why do Christians persecute so many while acting as though those who resist are not respecting their beliefs?


Why can someone post a comment that is illogical and unsupportable, combine the statement that if anyone disagrees with them, they will be tortured...

...and be jailed for terroristic threats, or, ostracized or ridiculed, depending upon the context, UNLESS the unsupportable illogical comment was about Christianity being the only true religion?

THEN - they feel they can do that without reservation.


If I posted comments that said people who use lasers are all going to die of lung cancer because I read a book that said it, and the book said that everything in the book was true....and the publishers of the book verified that the book they wrote contained only truth, and, that anyone who didn't BELIEVE THEM would be tortured....

I would NOT be treated as though I had made a reasonable, supportable argument. If I continued to make such posts, I'd be banned, or kicked out of the bar, or wherever it was I was saying such things.


If I substitute the name of the book and call it the bible, suddenly, the same argument is treated as if its somehow different.


Christians were persecuted for a very very short time until the Romans thought to adopt it and change it to a religion that held obedience to authority and meekness in high regard so as to pacify the populace.

So, they transformed Jewish rebel fighters into peace loving "love your enemies" "turn the other cheek" "pay your taxes" citizens....and made up a religion to control the masses.

It was wildly successful, and, spread like a virus across that part of the world.

That doesn't make it holy, right, accurate, or logically supportable.


If a Muslim told you to stop insulting HIS religion by implying all Muslims are terrorists, and insisted none of them were terrorists, as the terrorists are NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, and said you must accept Allah as the one true god, what would your reaction be?

If he said you must become a Muslim or be tortured in Hell for all eternity, would you? Would you say it angrily? Or would it be more along the lines of if he asked if you'd like some chips, and you were politely declining? After how MANY times of being asked would you still decline, and would your tone change after the 100th time?

Etc.

There is NOTHING SPECIAL about Christianity, its just ONE of hundreds of beliefs in the supernatural, passed from parents to children. Its no different from a belief in magic mountains or that cows are sacred.

We don't need to pretend its reasonable or worthy of special consideration.


If no one says an unsupportable post, no one will point out why its unsupported. Look at all the other threads in the forum...when people say something that makes no sense, others tell them they're wrong...and, those wrong are offended from time to time..its human nature.

If you are wrong, on a forum, you will be told....its the historical pattern.

The options are to only post things that are correct, or at least supportable, so that your position can be justified, and have little or no criticism, or, to post ridiculous stuff that people respond to negatively, and, then, just take it like an adult, and, then, either decide you were wrong and why, and adjust accordingly, or, to just keep insisting you are correct, etc.

Replies, mine at least, are not personal attacks, but corrective...and, I do tend to attempt to point out WHY I am objecting and what mistake the poster made.

Pointing out the mistake can be interpreted as personal, but, from me at least, its context based.

If you feel that your POINT OF VIEW is "insulted", that's another story, as its hard to say why a point of view is stupid w/o the person who HAS THAT point of view then transferring that to himself.

Smart people can have dumb ideas...that's a very well documented phenomenon.

So saying someone's IDEA is stupid is NOT saying THEY are stupid. (So people should not take that sort of thing personally)


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Would you guys just stop this bs? You don't want to believe in a god then fine, that's your decision. Don't insult people who do.
That's not the point of the argument. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. For example, It's been said that 12 million Americans believe that lizard people run politics (personally, I don't think it's that many, probably not even 500k, but anyway) which is frightening. It's not illegal for them to do so though.

The point of the whole argument is to stop (better, minimize the amount of) certain people from spewing falsifiable claims to younger generations and indoctrinating children who haven't developed critical thinking yet. Let them decide when they are mature enough to comprehend those claims so they can make a willful (willingful? I don't know the correct word to use here, I'm not a native speaker XD )choice.

And believe me, if you stop religious indoctrination from a young age, the numbers of religious people will drop dramatically.

You can believe anything you want though, I won't criticize you for that. I will only jump into the conversation when your belief is starting to affect others or the society in general (in a bad way of course)

Again, personally, I wouldn't insult anyone who hasn't insulted me first (and sometimes, not even that). I don't consider myself an antitheist or a militant atheist. Some people do and it's fine, as long as they can have a civilized argument.

It's a pretty controversial issue though. Whether you should respect every single belief or not. Would you respect Hitler's beliefs (regarding the extermination of Jews etc). Would you respect the beliefs of the KKK? You might do, but I don't think so. See, we can criticize beliefs that are deleterious to our society. Whether you want to insult them or not that's up to you I suppose. For example, would calling the KKK delusional considered to be an insult? For some, that's a fact. For other's it may appear as an insult.

And since Christianity and all other major religions (Islam, Hinduism etc) share some beliefs that appear to have a negative impact to the progress of the society (for example Hindus drinking the urine of cows and consider them sacred. What if someone in that society decides to eat a steak? He would be in danger for sure), you can criticize them as much as you want. Insulting them may not be the best way to convince someone they are wrong, however I do find it logical to do so in certain situations. Everything is pretty subjective and it's extremely difficult to come to a definite and objective (if that thing even exists) truth.
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You have a good point.

I think that indoctrination is the root of the evil.

I don't think any rational person with knowledge of how things work would look at ANY supernatural religion and decide that ANY of it is supportable....

..UNLESS they were taught from a very early age that they MUST believe THIS religion, and that its very important to do so, and that observing THAT religion is the ONLY WAY to be a good person, and, you're a bad person if you stray...

..and anyone who tries to tell you its wrong is sent by the DEVIL!!! to try to sway you to the side of evil....

and knowledge is BAD!

DON'T learn about how the world works, only listen to the CHURCH!


The Church has direct communication with GOD!!!! Therefore, is infallible and is always right, because GOD IS ALWAYS RIGHT.


If people point out that the Church was wrong, and apologized , say for prosecuting people who said the world was round, the earth went around the sun, etc...just IGNORE THEM....The Church is ALWAYS RIGHT! But, you have to have FAITH to believe that, to help you FIGHT those who point out contradictions and inconsistencies, as they are sent by the devil, to sway and weaken your faith.

And so forth.

Its the same way they do it in China, did it Nazi Germany, and so forth...indoctrinate the young well enough, and they'll turn in their own parents for not toeing the line.

Kids raised that way find it very very difficult to think analytically about what they have been taught must NOT BE analyzed, and what MUST BE accepted on faith.
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That's battered spouse territory you're venturing into.

"I'm sure he has good reason to beat me, even if I don't always understand. I probably deserve it. I know deep down he loves me."
False equivalency Cyp, those two things aren't even close.

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Would you guys just stop this bs? You don't want to believe in a god then fine, that's your decision. Don't insult people who do.
I agree, it would be nice if we would all show respect for each other through more courteous wording and personally I try to do so. But this is just the way of things, I don't anticipate atheists being courteous to me when we talk about Christ, they almost never are, especially on a forum.

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False equivalency Cyp, those two things aren't even close.



I agree, it would be nice if we would all show respect for each other through more courteous wording and personally I try to do so. But this is just the way of things, I don't anticipate atheists being courteous to me when we talk about Christ, they almost never are, especially on a forum.

And just for fun: Adam4d.com - If Jesus did not really rise from the dead


You don't see yourself in Cy's analogy...probably for the same reasons you can't see other things that are in conflict with how you want things to be. An analogy is not a false equivalency....its an analogy, and, in the case used, it was appropriate.


You take disagreement with you as a lack of respect, but, its the view point that is being addressed. When you post things that imply disagreeing with you = eternal damnation, I think you'd need to agree that that is ~ AS disrespectful as pointing out your emperor has no clothes, etc.

So, I personally don't think less of you when you express your view point, as, other than that, you seem to be an intelligent and kind person. You really can't help that you were indoctrinated from a young age, nor be expected to even realize that you were.



Amusingly, the just for fun cartoon depicts the Romans crucifying people for believing in a messiah (A Jewish Belief), but, they were crucified for rebelling against Roman authority.

The Romans didn't give a rat's sphincter passage about the hundreds of religions that were practiced across their empire, unless one of them rebelled/didn't pay taxes/defied their authority....then, they did care. There was no such thing as Christianity back then...it was just militant Jews. Militant Jews were the ones who were prosecuted, and not for their beliefs per se, but because they rebelled.


If you read the "apostle's martydom" records, Romans were, for the most part, not even involved, and the apostle's deaths were DECADES after the alleged crucifixion, or even from natural causes, being stoned by angry villagers, etc, and in far flung parts of the world....and even then the accounts are varied enough to be considered mythical more than historical.

So the cartoon implies the truth was that the apostles must have been telling the truth, because the Romans said "Confess its a lie and we won't torture you", and they didn't recant.

But, not a single aspect of it applies, or happened, and, its a gross misrepresentation meant to deceive people into thinking that the apostles must have been witness to Jesus, etc.


Again, why only lies and deception, if the objective is the Truth?

(Yes its only a cartoon - but, it has a purpose...propaganda. Propaganda BTW, is a term invented by the Catholic Church, as a name for a program they invented. It was used to refer to their policy of planting information that would lead people to believe what they wanted them to. It was later adopted by other entities that needed to lead the populace to the desired conclusions)


Ask some French cartoonists if religious people are tolerant of cartoons.

Cartoons that imply someone's belief system is wrong can lead religious groups to violence, as they consider them to be highly disrespectful.









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Teej, you cannot continue to argue if you don't set a boundary of basing your logic either ON THE BIBLE or through everyday SCIENTIFIC/COMMON KNOWLEDGE evidence. Attempting to the prove the Bible wrong by quoting the bible isn't the smartest thing to do

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You asked:

Who said the trees and plants were fine?


Answer: The bible

Context #1 = The dove returned with an olive branch.

Context #2 = The herbivores didn't all starve to death when getting out of the ark.
You countered my argument by quoting the Bible. While your at it, why don't you check out the other couple hundred verses that contradict what you believe?

Anyways, countering that verse, plants could've easily entered a dead/dormant state, incapable of growing or supporting life, yet with the potential of growing once again..

After the waters went down, parts of higher ground were exposed and plants began to grow back.

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Old vs New Testament:

You CAN'T say "That's the old testament" with the meaning that somehow it doesn't count.

If you remove everything that's in the old testament from the new testament....there is no original sin. No original sin, no need to forgive it. No need to forgive it, no need for Jesus, and so forth.

Its the foundation upon which the entire Christian faith is based.
Did I say it doesn't count? Just because they were practices in the Old Testament that Jesus explicitly abolished after his coming, does not null the complete Old Testament. I think that's obvious enough.

I think it's pretty clear that while present-day "Christians" no longer to sacrifice sheep and cows according to Old Testament laws, they still cannot commit adultery (morally) according to Old Testament laws.


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General:

You did the "I give up" post where you say "Why don't you ask god?" and/or something that implies you can state your opinion freely, but if I state mine, I am not humble, or, other reference to a storybook passage that says to be meek, not to seek knowledge, don't think you're smart...or some other way to reply to something that flusters you.
Thank you Teej, I'm sorry if I don't the wit or endurance to continue bantering on. I don't think it's accurate to say I threw out a bible verse as a response to "something that flusters me". You gave 10 points, last post, I responded to all ten. Does that count as me as flustered?

I don't believe I was intending to downplay your expression of your opinion. We are all obviously entitled to believe whatever we want. However, to the eyes of an outsider, I believe I had already established my viewpoint well. Hence, I said "I think I've made my point clear enough".

I apologize if I seemed haughty or judgmental by mentioning 1 Peter 5:6 to you. It was as much of a reminder to you as it was to me. I strive to live according to verses like that, but obviously and apparently, I fail.

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The analogy falls apart when you consider a parent has no control over the genetics of their child, nor is a human parent omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent.

God knew his creation would fail before he created it. Therefore, he knowingly created it with a known flaw, then blamed man for the flaw.
So if he's omnipotent, why can't he just decide to create men with their flaws? If he chooses to remove flaws from man, he does us a favor. However, when man fails, that is still the fault of man. "Man still had a choice" (this is where the predestination part comes in). Just because God knows what the future holds, doesn't make him liable to change it, does it? So now God can righteously blame humanity for its sin.

That being said,

God's above us. Cliche, but if he's omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (as you've said, Cypragon), and we are none of those, is it that unacceptable for us to not comprehend his ways? If you truly believe God is all that (at least in your counterargument) why are you questioning his actions? Will a five-year-old who just learned how to do Freestyle, go up to Michael Phelps and tell him he's been swimming the stroke wrong? Increase the contrast by infinity. We can't judge him?

We're also delving into the debate of predestination which is, as I am sure you know, multi-faceted and far beyond of the scope of this forum.
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So if he's omnipotent, why can't he just decide to create men with their flaws? If he chooses to remove flaws from man, he does us a favor. However, when man fails, that is still the fault of man. "Man still had a choice" (this is where the predestination part comes in). Just because God knows what the future holds, doesn't make him liable to change it, does it? So now God can righteously blame humanity for its sin.

That being said,

God's above us. Cliche, but if he's omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (as you've said, Cypragon), and we are none of those, is it that unacceptable for us to not comprehend his ways? If you truly believe God is all that (at least in your counterargument) why are you questioning his actions? Will a five-year-old who just learned how to do Freestyle, go up to Michael Phelps and tell him he's been swimming the stroke wrong? Increase the contrast by infinity. We can't judge him?

We're also delving into the debate of predestination which is, as I am sure you know, multi-faceted and far beyond of the scope of this forum.


Actually, its delving into the ludicrous, as there is nothing in the bible except words, and, if one is to criticize the bible, or, point out an analogy to it, or point out that if this passage means X, and that passage means Y, then therefore....

And so forth...so, you have to refer to the bible when talking about the bible.

If you want to say God created man in his own image, AND THAT he made us flawed...what do both of those, when combined as two supporting statements, say about God?

He is flawed, and made us flawed too?

Or, we just look like he does, a black woman for example?




Most religions tend to portray gods as looking like they do (Not all of course), with the Church of England making the Bronze Age Jew appear as a Blue Eyed Englishman, or maybe bown eyed but not Semitic looking, depending on if the artist was more Saxon or more Angelo inspired, etc.

Whites were outraged when statues and pictures of a Black Jesus were portrayed for example...sometimes killing the owners of them, etc.


So, if we are to discuss what the bible says and compare the passages to reality or to other passages, etc...there is a precedent of needing to explain where in the bible we're talking about.


If we are to discuss the bible w/o its contents, say, that it didn't get written until 100's of years later, the Catholic Church collected what it could find, burned or destroyed the parts it didn't like, murdered or excommincated, or banished any who insisted on saving the disfavored parts, and started publishing versions of what was left. They would edit it as needed to appease whatever political forces were in power or who's favor they were courting, etc.

Of course, most of what they collected was written ~30-70 or more years after all the apostles were dead, etc....so, the originals were never original to the period anyway. They had to fill in gaps with made up apostles, added stories, changed wording to reflect the current messages, and, also, to have what read better from the pulpit replace things that did not work, and so forth.

There is a wealth of information for example on how the process worked in the making of the King James Bible, including WHY it WAS the KING JAMES Bible, etc. Being written in the 1600's, there are decent written records of the editing meetings, chairpeople of teams re-writing various chapters, etc.


Jdawg - I greatly appreciate your participation and reasonable approach. The issue is that some of the arguments are off base.

IE: There is no reason logic cannot allow one to quote what an opposing view point says would be the case, and then show why it can't be the case, or why two parts are in conflict so both can't true, and so forth.

That is a valid procedure.


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False equivalency Cyp, those two things aren't even close.
I know you're not keen on analogies, so I'll try to elaborate.

Both you and a battered spouse accept their situation because they believe the perpetrator is inherently good, no matter what he does.

You had a good day.
--->PRAISE JESUS.
Your mother survives a car accident unscathed. Sure her car is gone, but god spared her!
--->PRAISE JESUS.
Your mother survives a car accident with paralysis from the neck down. Sure her car is gone and she'll never walk again, but god spared her life so she may be with you!
--->PRAISE JESUS.
Your mother dies in a car accident. She is now in a better place!
--->PRAISE JESUS.

God can do no wrong, just like an abusive spouse.

It's just weird how you'll study scripture, then in the next breath say "we can't understand an omnipotent being."
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You just don't understand him like I do! He LOVES ME!!!! He really does.

Its just he has this really bad temper when he's been drinking, and, I'm sure whoever he kills or injures deserved what they got, including me, I'm sure if I were just a bit better I would stop displeasing him, and he wouldn't be mad at me anymore.

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Ok that's slightly out of context, the Song of Solomon is a book that celebrates ***ual love. The Jews included it in the bible because according to Jewish tradition it was written by Solomon. The bible is full of ***ual activity, rape, murders, and plenty of questionable activities. You know most of the Old Testament is also supposed to be history, and that's how people were then and are today, it wouldn't be very realistic to leave out the bad stuff, besides it makes for more interesting reading.

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Ok that's slightly out of context, the Song of Solomon is a book that celebrates ***ual love. The Jews included it in the bible because according to Jewish tradition it was written by Solomon. The bible is full of ***ual activity, rape, murders, and plenty of questionable activities. You know most of the Old Testament is also supposed to be history, and that's how people were then and are today, it wouldn't be very realistic to leave out the bad stuff, besides it makes for more interesting reading.

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I think its IN context, not out of it. The bible is the only context this book is known in.

The bible has *** in a nice light, as in, its a good thing, but simply also considers it a nice thing when its a rape or incest. Its only in our modern context where we read it and say, hey, that's rape they're talking about! OMG! With his CHILD?!?!?! - And then say the bible has bad things in it too.

In the bible, if a soldier takes a woman hostage and rapes her, she is his wife, for example. This is a Bronze age and pre, custom, and, I'm sure when the bronze age men sat down to write up how to act, they included it, as that's what men back then considered to be a normal set of events....and its men, back then, writing the bible.

Having consensual interactions was of course quite normal too, as the Solomon passages, etc, also allude to.

Many cults and religions, etc, have taboos about things that are counter productive, such as masturbation/having *** that doesn't make more of that cult or religion, etc.

Most of the editing to morph that into restrictions on homo***uality took place about 300 years after Jesus's time...about when the Catholic Church decided that priests had to be celibate or at least more celibate, etc.

That continued to morph, and developed into strange restrictions on ***uality in general, how to dress, and act with the opposite *** for example.

None of that morphed stuff are in the early writings.

I just looked again at some of my old seminal notes.

Apparently, in the oldest versions of the Noah story...the Hebrew is a bit unclear as to what the kid did to his dad, as the language is a bit too euphemistic, and the translators were stretched a bit....

....but the consensus was:

It seems he (Ham) castrated his father, or raped his mother,...as one passage has Noah saying something along the lines of "Because you rendered me unable to have a 4th son, your son will be a slave to your two brothers" and some others refer to raping his mother (Maybe he even did both?).

Canaan was that son, and the story was used to justify the Jews enslaving the Canaanites.

So it was Ham's SON that was "sold into slavery", to Ham's brothers, in the oldest version.

So, there's zero rationale for why the kid would bobbit dear old dad/shag dear old mom, especially after they survived all that together and all...unless dad was really annoying, perhaps bedeviling Ham, and the kid had simply lost it, etc? That ~500 year old mom was probably a hell of an Antediluvian MILF....?

Its also disturbing that god says ~ "These are the only people worth saving, the REST are too evil" and one of the GOOD ONES lopes off his dad's gopher wood, a rather Ham fisted approach at best..

The REST of humanity must have been pretty scary?


So, earlier, I had posted about WHO Ham was sold to, who got the money, etc. According to my notes which I needed to read, again, I already knew but had forgotten too much. Sigh.




Summary: According to the earliest known renditions of the story, in the original Hebrew, Ham was not sold into slavery, Noah made Ham's SON, Canaan, a slave to the two other brothers....ostensibly, because Ham's kid, Canaan, might have been the incestual offspring with his Mom....

...and, the entire story was used to justify the Jews' enslavement of the Canaanites.

The rainbow, etc, were there to REALLY say, see that rainbow? Its why we have the right to enslave you.

The rest of the early translations allude to warning the Canaanites that if they did not act as obedient slaves, they would be breaking that covenant, and, god might once again destroy all living things.



So, the early bronze age men took a known story from older works, such as Gilgamesh, including doves, ravens, pairs of animals, flood, ark, etc, and, edited to be about Noah instead, and added the slavery explanation...to allow them to justify why they could have slaves.

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So if he's omnipotent, why can't he just decide to create men with their flaws? If he chooses to remove flaws from man, he does us a favor. However, when man fails, that is still the fault of man. "Man still had a choice" (this is where the predestination part comes in). Just because God knows what the future holds, doesn't make him liable to change it, does it? So now God can righteously blame humanity for its sin.

That being said,

God's above us. Cliche, but if he's omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent (as you've said, Cypragon), and we are none of those, is it that unacceptable for us to not comprehend his ways? If you truly believe God is all that (at least in your counterargument) why are you questioning his actions? Will a five-year-old who just learned how to do Freestyle, go up to Michael Phelps and tell him he's been swimming the stroke wrong? Increase the contrast by infinity. We can't judge him?

We're also delving into the debate of predestination which is, as I am sure you know, multi-faceted and far beyond of the scope of this forum.




We are the only ones who say God exists, and, what he's like.

We said he's omnipotent, yet, there are passages in which he was defeated.

We say he's omniscient, yet, there are passages in which he expresses regret at his actions.

We say he's perfect, all knowing, all seeing, all powerful, and, yet, there's no evidence of that other than what we wrote to say it, despite times we wrote contradictory passages.

We also wrote the Pope was his representative here on earth.

We also wrote that the Pope was infallible BECAUSE he was god's representative here on earth.

We also know popes were wrong, on many issues, fathered children, and so forth.

So, why do we believe that god is perfect? We made him that way. As a concept....so the populace could not question his representatives.


Why do so many believe that the bible is true? They were TOLD that it was whispered into the ears of the writers by god.

WHO TOLD US THAT? The writers.



The Catholic Church has OWNED the early records for millennia.

They are KNOWN to have destroyed parts they didn't like...and killed/banished/excommunicated any who protested/wanted to preserve those parts.

When the dead sea scrolls were found, the Church grabbed them. They are KNOWN to have then destroyed the parts of them they could, if non-favorable to the Church, before international intervention stopped them.

THIS IS THE PARTY WHO'S WORDS Christians cling to as true.

Most Christians I know don't believe the Pope is Gods' representative here on earth, except for some Catholics.

The modern Catholic Church is trying, really hard, to address the historical mistakes, especially in science.

The Vatican has its own observatory now, with a staff of astronomers, for example. They are actively trying to bring the church up to date, and out of the Bronze Age, etc.

The Pope just released the Church's interpretation on Global Climate Change for example. Their scientists, at the Vatican of all places, reviewed all of the data, and, concluded there WAS man made global climate change, and, that it was a CHRISTIAN'S duty to now combat it.


Ironically, as conservatives tend to be the more religious in general, at least superficially, the idea of man made climate change issues was politicized.

IE: The science and unbiased parties realize that man is contributing to global climate change....

...and parties, that are in the pocket of large financial interests that don't want to lose money on environmental compliance costs, whether they know they are or not..., are told that man made climate change is a myth.

So indoctrinated by that corporate propaganda that it is part of their core belief system, they cannot let go of it no matter what information is presented.


So even the POPE says man is changing the climate, and, there are still those who say, well, I take everything else the Church tells me is true, except that.





So, the writers of the book say god whispered what to write in their ears...and that its god's words...

And some people fall for it hook line and sinker.

They go along with what the writers say as true, but, don't believe them about anything else.








Summary: ALL the words in the bible were written by men. The MEN say god whispered the words in their ears...so they are god's words.

The company the men worked for (The Catholic Church), was therefore the ONLY SOURCE of those words, and, the ONLY PARTY CLAIMING THEIR DIVINE INSPIRATION.

If you BELIEVE that this company was telling the truth...why are you not joining this company? Why do you NOT believe them about the Pope's divinity, or OTHER Catholic beliefs that were ALSO "whispered" to their writers?

This applies to the old testament as well. That came from the Jews. If THEY had god's words whispered to THEM, too, then, you believe in what the Jews said...

...and that means you NEED to, in order to ALSO believe what the NEW Testament said, because without Genesis, there's no original sin, and no Jesus to die for it. So, if the Old Testament didn't happen as described, neither did the NEW Testament.

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Leave it to you guys to suck the humor out of a bj.

Fine, fine, back to the serious stuff.

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Leave it to you guys to suck the humor out of a bj.

Fine, fine, back to the serious stuff.
Only Teej would do such a thing (and write several pages of text to do so). I was only pointing out that the bible doesn't endorse or encourage such activity. Solomon was not a regular person, he was a king and lived like one, he had 700 hundred wives and 300 hundred concubines. I don't even want to know what was going on there, there could have been a few books and movies about that.

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