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So, you honestly believe that the emperor of Ethiopia is god incarnate? And you shun all western society? Or, do you just like to smoke pot and listen to Bob Marley?
I think that he meant to say that he was a Pastafarian

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So, you honestly believe that the emperor of Ethiopia is god incarnate? And you shun all western society? Or, do you just like to smoke pot and listen to Bob Marley?

lol somebody did some research
they also must be strictly vegetarian, which is something i'm not willing to conform to.
i do like to smoke out & listen to bob marley.
besides.... don't you have to have dreads and/or be from jamaica to be a rasta?

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If you thought that previous site was bad, you should check out their "conservative" take on wikipedia!

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If people were to fall upon that site at a young age and actually accepted it as truth, I dare not think what the world would be like..
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Apparently it is too late to do anything about it anyway . . . .

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Nahh there's all different types of sects of rastas, you don't really have to do anything but believe in god.
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Nahh there's all different types of sects of rastas, you don't really have to do anything but believe in god.
In the Rastafari Movement, God is firmly believed to be the former emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie. If you do not believe he is Jah, aka god incarnate, then you are not rastafarian. Many modern sects have abandoned oldworld beliefs that all western society (such as computers, the internet, LPF) are inherently evil, as well as the beliefs in black superiority, the downfall of the white race, and the return to Zion (ethiopia), yet they retain the belief that Haile Selassie is god incarnate. It's one of the fundamental beliefs of the religion.
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In the Rastafari Movement, God is firmly believed to be the former emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie. If you do not believe he is Jah, aka god incarnate, then you are not rastafarian.
You can extrapolate this to every other religion. "Yeah I believe in X god but I don't follow all of what Y says. However I'm still a Z"
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If you thought that previous site was bad, you should check out their "conservative" take on wikipedia!
Conservapedia
If people were to fall upon that site at a young age and actually accepted it as truth, I dare not think what the world would be like..
What's mostly annoying with that site is they chose "conservatism" as the title, as if it had anything to do with religion! I find it extremely distressing that strictly political terms like liberalism and conservatism have been so much perverted that they lost all meaning and nowadays can be used to mean anything the speaker wants (with the specific pejorative nuances depending on the side). One can very well be a liberal theist or a conservative atheist, but alas this is pointless and will go the way of "hacker", another term that lost it's meaning because of popular misconceptions.

That being said, sites like that prompt me to reflect on a very puzzling behaviour of "militant theists" because that's what they are -- why do they care so much and why do they try so much? I mean really, if you look at all the effort being put into things like the "discovery institute" you'd think they have better avenues for that effort, like helping starving children or something... For the "non-believing" side things are straightforward: considering religion to be not only false but even damaging, it is quite unnerving and unsettling that it has such a strong influence on our one-and-only life, so we strive to remedy that. It's the realization that life is too short and valuable to spend it on fairy-tales that makes most atheists keenly aware of the pressure of religion...

On the other hand, for "people of faith", this life is already nothing but a "test", a suffering time before the wonderful gifts they will receive in the afterlife. And if atheism is "dead" as they say, why is it of any importance to them that a few idiots will burn in hell for that? Good riddence! Do you get a bonus for "converting" atheists? Never saw that in any book, although it may be an undocumented feature... or do they really care so much for our "well-being" that they are doing all of this out of the good, altruistic bottom of their hearts? I dunno, somehow all those millions of dollars of donor money floating around couldn't have anything to do with it, now could they...
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On the other hand, for "people of faith", this life is already nothing but a "test", a suffering time before the wonderful gifts they will receive in the afterlife. And if atheism is "dead" as they say, why is it of any importance to them that a few idiots will burn in hell for that? Good riddence! Do you get a bonus for "converting" atheists? Never saw that in any book, although it may be an undocumented feature... or do they really care so much for our "well-being" that they are doing all of this out of the good, altruistic bottom of their hearts? I dunno, somehow all those millions of dollars of donor money floating around couldn't have anything to do with it, now could they...
Well written DGC8,


I am a person of faith and I can see how it must look when some denominations of people try an press the God of their understanding down others throats as if you believed what they believe will make it more true somehow. I see the same behavior from artists as well. Both believe they have the whole truth and both have evidence in their lives that they can point to. The present truth is that we are all working on the same mystery and we all believe we are on the progressive path and not the regressive one.

One thing that does chafe me a bit in this thread though is that there are a lot of bad guesses as to the motives of a believer. Not only would the writers need to be qualified to make such a diagnosis but you would also have to get to know more than a few believers from more than one faith.

My particular motives are simple. I’ve had experiences that do not follow natural law. Latest one was a Van spinning out of control at 70mph going around a corner of an icy highway that was put straight and back in the lane it was supposed to be in while I prayed for them. There is a longer story here because there were reasons I knew it was going to happen before it did and why I was praying about it before it did but the point is that my motives for believing is because things like this actually do happen in my experience. Unexplainable "super natural" things and wow that is exciting. Does it mean that I have all the answers and the whole truth…no. No way. My human mind doesn’t have the capacity to know the mind of God. What motivates me is a great curiosity and excitement of what I am going to be shown next.

Atheists have posted many bad armature psychology posts as to why a believer must be a believer. All from the prospective that they are on the regressive path. They have to do with fear and weakness of one sort or another. I guess it chafes me because it’s irrational to thing that they could assess the motives of anyone from their position and there is always the suggestion that you must through away your intelect of you never had much of one to believe what you do. I know many believers with spot on excelent intelect and resoning skills. Try finding one and asking them why they believe. I bet you get a great story of something that happened that changed the way they see the world for ever.


I usually don’t post experiences like the car thing because even believers will scoff and wonder if you are on some delusional power trip or something. Truth is that these things only happen when I am humble and let go of any illusion of control I thought I had. I am not above wanting absolute and total control. I just know the truth that I am not God so I can’t have it.

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Man, this has a purely physical explanation! How can that be "supernatural"?
Supernatural would be if suddenly a man flew out of the van and started shooting energy spheres from his fingertips while crushing other cars with his breath.
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many people turn to religion due to coincidences and inspiring events. Even doctors sometimes feel like giving up to "god" because they could not save a life that they expected to save.

if such events happen at a frequency beyond what is expected by chance, and always in the same direction (ie, good things always happen to good people, or prayers always answered), then it is reasonable to consider a "super natural" being.

but they don't.
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Infinite random variation allows for the unique and the perfect.

It is our mind's inability to grasp the concept of infinite random variation that leads us to the concept of intelligent design

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Man, this has a purely physical explanation! How can that be "supernatural"?
Supernatural would be if suddenly a man flew out of the van and started shooting energy spheres from his fingertips while crushing other cars with his breath.
PleaseÖI know the laws of inertia and understand friction and this event clearly defied them both. I also know the person who was in the van and confirmed what happened from there prospective. This is only one event in my experience and the response here is why itís pointless to share them with you. Non believers will always try to break them down based on what they know and not consider that they donít know it all. Your take that I must be wrong about what happened being outside the boundaries of natural law seems egotistical from my prospective. I could be wrong but I bet it offends your ego that something may work outside your understanding of the universe. I know science and have used it as an engineer for years. Itís also limited in the ability to study this subject. I have studied different belief systems, prayed and meditated for years also. I have put the time into it to have confirmed the legitimacy of a spiritual world. The details are not totally understood but the spirit world exists. I am surprised all the time by how things really work from a spiritual prospective and how that affects the everything else. I wonít spend any more time trying to convince you that I know what I saw and I saw it before it happened. Iím sure it will just cause you to come up with a 3rd party explanation of the event that falls in a box of your understanding that has to be true.
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The details are not totally understood but the spirit world exists.
As an Engineer you should know you have to back that up with evidence, which religious people don't seem to care about.

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Me too. I've studied 6 years of jewish history. I've read the three books (old testament, new testament, koran) and studied the three main religious views. I'm telling you this so you don't think that "I just come here to bash religious people and their beliefs because I don't like them".


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Of course! EVERYTHING has an explanation. That's the greatest thing about Science.
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