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A couple days ago I saw this one guy on Youtube rant about how metal music is the work of satan. I really wonder why some people are so biased about heavy music. 9 out of 10 heavy metal songs consist of complex, well conceived lyrics that rarely ever have to do with religion nor satan. Have any of you encountered such people on Youtube or other social media. I personally can't stand these people.
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A couple days ago I saw this one guy on Youtube rant about how metal music is the work of satan. I really wonder why some people are so biased about heavy music. 9 out of 10 heavy metal songs consist of complex, well conceived lyrics that rarely ever have to do with religion nor satan. Have any of you encountered such people on Youtube or other social media. I personally can't stand these people.
Once some people hear something that resonates with their world view, they tend to accept it as dogma.

So they hear "Works of Satan!", and, from then on...it is.

They'll repeat all sorts of crap as "fact"...and be astounded they you don't "know about that", etc.

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I beat Cyp to it this time:

Be aware that at 8:35 he is twisting 2 John 1:9-11

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Purpose: The issue addressed by 2 & 3 John is that of wandering missionaries. In a time when Roman inns were notorious for being dirty and flea-infested, visiting Christian teachers would turn to the local church for hospitality. The problem was that some of the people seeking room and board were false teachers, expounding erroneous doctrines: others were phony, pretending to be true prophets to get free hospitality. Even a pagan Greek author like Lucian noticed this sort of abuse. In his satirical work Peregrinus, he wrote about a religious charlatan who lived off the generosity of the church simply as a way to avoid working. In an attempt to cope with this problem, the Didache, an early church manual, laid down a series of regulations guiding the reception of itinerant ministers. It said, for example, that true prophets were indeed to be entertained-for a day or two. But if a prophet stayed three days, this was a sign he was false. Likewise, if a prophet under the inspiration of the Spirit asked for money, he was a false prophet.
These concerns are found in 2 & 3 John. In John 2, the author worries about false prophets who are teaching erroneous doctrine, such as Gnosticism (salvation as the product of special knowledge). "Do not welcome such," he says (2 John 10). But in 3 John, he addresses the opposite problem: Christians who failed to provide hospitality for genuine teachers.

He has neat ideas on the surface, but he is twisting scripture to his audience either purposely or ignorantly.
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good thing christians never do that.

If that's your only counter-argument, you either agree with him, or you're missing the point.
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Kind of slanted from the current direction of the thread, but I don't believe Satan exists in the way religion teaches, although I have no doubts there may very well be something in the universe we would consider to be such. If there were a Satan-like creature, I see it as a individual who desires to have a connection with all, but only for the purpose of others serving it and willing to force others to do so. I view a God as the collective center of all which seeks to have a connection with all life, but through choice. I would not be surprised if each of the two are mere concepts yet individuals exist, a collective of life force might also exist. The force be with you...
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Its not twisting scripture as much as essentially pointing out that christianity had one way of saying "Be nice to our disciples, etc...and kill/shun the rest".

The fact that they needed to say that, due to people claiming to be religious leaders but really just doing it for the money (As modern televangelists, etc...), doesn't mean saying that it is twisting what they did....as much as simply STATING what they did.

The reason they said it was to make sure THEIR peeps were taken care of, and others WERE NOT.

They COULD have said how to treat THEIR followers, and NOT said to shun/kill etc, OTHERS...but they said how to treat OTHERS...hence the applicability, and, the LACK of "twisting".

The CONTEXT was to take care of their own AND to hurt those who were not.


Alaskan -

Kind of slanted from the current direction of the thread, but I don't believe Satan exists in the way religion teaches, although I have no doubts there may very well be something in the universe we would consider to be such.

If there were a Satan-like creature, I see it as a individual who desires to have a connection with all, but only for the purpose of others serving it and willing to force others to do so.

I view a God as the collective center of all which seeks to have a connection with all life, but through choice. I would not be surprised if each of the two are mere concepts yet individuals exist, a collective of life force might also exist. The force be with you...



Hmmm, they sound interchangeable actually, as God's "CHOICE" for being "chosen" is really a threat.

IE: "Freely choose to worship me and only me, or, I will burn you in Hell for all eternity"

PS - Freely choose to worship me in the manner I have described, which includes never saying my name in vain, devoting certain days to special attention to me, don't touch your willy, etc...or I will burn you in hell for all eternity"


God sounds a lot like she wants your worship, and, wants to control your actions, and your thoughts (Even thinking about a sin is a sin, etc...)...and, you may not worship anyone but her....and "Serve God".

That was essentially your description of Satan.






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good thing christians never do that.

If that's your only counter-argument, you either agree with him, or you're missing the point.
He seems to be pushing several points and I don't know which one you're talking about. Either way...

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A common deficiency.

In certain stages of childhood, etc, teachers are instructed to use simple phrases and one point at a time to avoid overwhelming young children who have a hard time following multiple points.

As they get older and more capable, presentations can have more than one point, as more mature students become able to process more than one at a time.

After that, its a matter of degree as to how many points at a time can be considered and comprehended, and process simultaneously.

5 at a time is considered an average limit for an adult, in one phrase.

If watching a movie or slide show, etc, points can be grouped into sets of 5 or less to take this into account....so that there can be more than 5 points in total for the entire presentation.


The studies also found that students who felt that they wanted to understand what was presented were more likely to attempt to process as much as possible, and that students who did not want to understand what was presented would turn off immediately without attempting to process the information.

Information that was counter to what they were already taught would cause the same shut down in processing, as the conflicts would trigger internal filters that labeled the conflicting information as wrong.

Once internally pre-labeled as wrong, the brain then avoids processing the new information.

Some people are able to process the new information anyway, to check it's validity as compared to already established information and experiences, and consider accepting it after the processing, and some people will not be able to do that.

All people have a tendency to give priority to the first version of something that they are taught: the individual differences come down to how MUCH priority.

People who tend to be unable to change their mind in light of new evidence tend to be those who more highly prioritize the first information.

This then correlates to the tendency to be overwhelmed and unable to process new information.

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I have no doubts there may very well be something in the universe we would consider to be [satan]... I see it as a individual who desires to have a connection with all...
And this is based on what evidence, exactly?

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I wouldn't eat a delicious cake if it had a dingleberry on top.
Good. Then throw your bible in the garbage. On top of the dingleberries galore, someone took a gargantuan, steamy dump in Leviticus.
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Good. Then throw your bible in the garbage. On top of the dingleberries galore, someone took a gargantuan, steamy dump in Leviticus.
LOL...yeah, if one single flaw was enough to reject the delicious cake, I suppose the bible is more dingleberry than cake.

I think the difference is that, like dung beetles, some are trained to use the fecal part and ignore the rest.

IE: If you're a dung beetle, would you eat a dingleberry if it was stuck to a cake?

Sure you would, if you could get the damn cake off it....because you'd have been trained to think of the crap as the important part, and the cake as the problem.


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Good. Then throw your bible in the garbage. On top of the dingleberries galore, someone took a gargantuan, steamy dump in Leviticus.
I don't understand your way of thinking. I'm sure you recognized that quote as your own Cyp, you reject things with a hint of inaccuracy, yet you want to look at the big picture of that video. You criticize my accurate and valid observation of the video, and your response is "Leviticus is poopy". You grant yourself special entitlement by dodging your own logic and are certain there isn't a teapot floating around the sun with no evidence. Yet in your view my believe in what Jesus did for us and in the creator of our universe is a disservice to humanity although there is evidence, solid and true evidence.
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