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Where was God?
Same place He was when His Son Jesus was being crucified !

Which was where? Having a latte? Reading a paper? Have to say, bit of an a$$hole move for a father to let his son his beaten, tortured, and killed.

You seem to think that this life is the one that is eternal.
Wrong, the life that's eternal, the one that is most important is the one after this one.
This life, and the way you live it, determines where you spend eternity.
It is this life that God wants you to worry about, because He knows the awful end that awaits everyone that rejects Him.

What proof do you have of this aside from the bible? In any other circumstance were a man to make a claim so vast, would you simply take him at his word? No you would ask for proof. Here you have none except that of a book that was compiled by charlatans.

Meanwhile you treat the one life you have as if it were simply training for what comes next. I'm sure it must bring a measure of comfort to you and that is the reason you are so invested in believing, despite the extreme cognitive dissonance it must lead to.


Do you think it will be nice if you are living amongst rapists, murderers and thieves etc for eternity.
It's bad enough what we have to put up with now in society.

No, so why doesn't got change things in this world now? Why does he put people through this test? Does he do so for his sick amusement. Does he enjoy the screams of children as they are being raped? The cries of albinos in africa as they are literally hunted and sacrificed?

Why does god go *Well gee wiz, I made this incredible innocent soul, let me place it into a fallible bag of flesh, and stick it into a cruel world, see what happens*.

The free will god seems to offer is like that of the promise made at Aushwitz... what was it? Oh yes... Work Will Set You Free.

If you truly had free will in a universe that has him why would you not be offered the choice of heaven or hell immediately as your soul was created?


He doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, Hell was created for Satan and his demons.
God allowed His Son Jesus to be crucified so that in this life we would realise that sin carries the penalty of death and hell.
So that we can see and finally realise (before we die) that our sins will be judged and unless we repent now and ask Jesus for forgiveness, we will face Hell.

Why?

Why was hell created at all?

Why didn't got just unmake Satan and his demons? After all he is supposed to be all powerful no?

If your god truly didn't want people to go to hell he would not have made one.

Of course there is no god, and the threat of hell is a damned good way (pardon the pun) of making sure people behave themselves.


God wants us to have free will.
This means that we have to have a choice, free will is not free will if there's no choice involved.

What choice does a child with a genetic disorder have, as yet unborn and already suffering?

What choice does a mother have when her child cries out from hunger and she has no food to offer?

What choice does the victim have when being raped?

Go visit a children's oncology ward and tell them about their choices.


So He has allowed Satan to be the god of this (temporary world and life) so that we have a choice, God or Satan.
Satan won the world over when he tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
Now we see the world the way Satan runs it and we have a choice to repent and turn to Jesus for everlasting life or follow Satan into Hell.

Again I ask WHY? Why did he create Satan? Why does he allow him to exist at all? Why did god create the forbidden fruit? Why wasn't HE around when Satan tempted Eve?

Think of it this way, would you leave your kids with a convicted pedophile psycho all alone indefinitely? No? Why not?

If you answered no, then why do you accept a god that decided to do exactly that?


Heaven will be for the ones that repent:

Revelation 21: 4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

REPENT FROM WHAT? From being forced into impossible choices? What repentance do the doctors and nurses who die from ebola need to offer? How was it their choice to be infected.

Why isn't he wiping away tears now?


Don't look for justice in this life, Satan is in control of this world.

Q: Why?
A: Because god likes it that way.

Well you know what, your god is an awful sadist.


If you don't like living amongst thieves, murderers, adulterers, liers now, just think how bad it will be living with them in hell for eternity.

Proof? Oh that's right, there is none. And if it were true, at least I wouldn't be surrounded by hypocrites.

God is a loving God, but He is also a Just God.

Where is the justice in handing out cystic fibrosis? Where is the justice in Alzheimer?

Hell is for all who do not turn from their wicked sins within this lifetime.

Yes we all have sin, but some of us have had that sin washed away by the Blood of Jesus.

You choose this day what you will do with Jesus and seal your fate.
I choose to believe in that which I can see, hear, taste, smell, touch, and otherwise perceive through my intellect.

I choose to believe that if I simply strive to not hurt others, and treat others as I would like to be treated I will have as good of a life as possible.


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Good points and here is the answer.

God hardened Pharaoh's heart to show the Israelites (and all of us) that He is God.

In Romans 9 we're told:
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”
16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”
18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

If you notice, we're told the Pharaoh hardened his own heart.
His free will was exercised.

Exodus 8:32
32 But Pharaoh hardened his heart this time also, and did not let the people go.


Job in the end was mightily blessed by God.
He ended up with more than what he started with because of his faithfulness to God.

Job 42:
10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.




Happy for you to pick one for me.

But Exodus 9:12 says god hardened it, so there's a contradiction. yes god did return to Job two fold, yet I believe HUMAN BEINGS are not so easily replaced. do you think people are just objects, for god to kill and replace at a whim? because if you recall Job lost his family, and many servants. yes he got another, but if it were me, I'd miss the originals and still be very sad that god allowed them to die for a BET. strange that god did not resurrect them, as he clearly has this power in other places in the bible

Here's another contradiction off the top of my head. does god tempt people? James 1:13 seems to indicate not, yet Gensesis 22:1 says the opposite.

Here are some more:

how about john 3:13 and 2 kings 2:11 (has anyone been to heaven other than Jesus?)

or john 10:30 and John 14:28 (are god and jesus the same entity?)

or exodus 20:13 and exodus 32:27 ( can we or can we not kill, according to god)

or Ephesians 2:8-9 and James 2:24 (are we saved by faith or works?)

or Exodus 21:23-25 and Matthew 5:39 (eye for eye or turn the other cheek?)

or Exodus 20:12 and Luke 14:26 (arbitrary honor for family or no?)

or Genesis 32:30 and John 1:18 (have any seen the face of god?)

or Ezekiel 18:20 and the entire concept of original sin, or Exodus 20:5 (are we culpable for our ancestor's wrong doing?)
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Even were there no contradictions within the bible, what we would call GIANT F*CKING PLOT HOLES in any other work of fiction, what proof is there for it? For any of the many many claims that it makes?
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This life, and the way you live it, determines where you spend eternity.
It is this life that God wants you to worry about, because He knows the awful end that awaits everyone that rejects Him.

Do you think it will be nice if you are living amongst rapists, murderers and thieves etc for eternity.

It's bad enough what we have to put up with now in society.

He doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, Hell was created for Satan and his demons.

God allowed His Son Jesus to be crucified so that in this life we would realise that sin carries the penalty of death and hell.

So that we can see and finally realise (before we die) that our sins will be judged and unless we repent now and ask Jesus for forgiveness, we will face Hell.

God wants us to have free will.

This means that we have to have a choice, free will is not free will if there's no choice involved.

So He has allowed Satan to be the god of this (temporary world and life) so that we have a choice, God or Satan.

Satan won the world over when he tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
Now we see the world the way Satan runs it and we have a choice to repent and turn to Jesus for everlasting life or follow Satan into Hell.

Heaven will be for the ones that repent:

Revelation 21: 4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Don't look for justice in this life, Satan is in control of this world.



If you don't like living amongst thieves, murderers, adulterers, liers now, just think how bad it will be living with them in hell for eternity.

God is a loving God, but He is also a Just God.

Hell is for all who do not turn from their wicked sins within this lifetime.

Yes we all have sin, but some of us have had that sin washed away by the Blood of Jesus.

You choose this day what you will do with Jesus and seal your fate.


Hmmmm, so, lets see if I have THIS right...

God can't help us on earth, because Satan is in charge here....so, we can't look for god here.

Satan is also in charge of hell.

So, followers of Satan go to hell, with Satan...and, are on Satan's side.

Why would he torture them?

If the devil is the one who tortures people in hell, why would he do that? There's no motivation.

Its HIS FOLLOWERS.

WHY would the devil torture people for NOT following his arch enemy?

It makes no sense at all.


Now, if GOD is really the devil, THEN it makes sense. IE: Follow ME (Of your own free will...) or I burn you in HELL for all eternity!!!

So, your "free will" is sort of at gun point. Freely choose to worship me, or I torture you forever.

I'm not digging the ethics of your god.


Now, if SATAN is actually the one doing the eternal torture, it makes no sense at all....who says he has to do that? God? God is his arch enemy, and, they are allegedly locked in combat for your soul, etc.

If god could make earth under GOD'S control, why wouldn't he? Apparently he can't....you said it's SATAN'S.

If God CAN'T make Satan follow orders/Satan wants to be in charge (Apparently, its WHY he cast him from heaven), why would Satan do god a favor and provide motivation for people to FOLLOW GOD?


If God supposed to be all powerful, why did Satan beat him?

Why do YOU see evidence of Satan on earth, but not god? (You said that essentially)

How do we explain that god is all powerful and all knowing, yet, somehow, Satan knew he could win (If you knew your opponent was all powerful and all knowing, you would not think you could win).

If god is so loving, why, if he COULD win, did he let everyone suffer, even innocent little babies?

Is he loving, but without power?

Is he powerful, but not loving?


PS -

You never even mentioned the option for GOD or ANGELS to help out with magic tricks or communicating with the passed...your ONLY explanation for real magic was DEMONS.


Tie it all up for us....but, seriously, if I wasn't an atheist, your arguments, so far at least, would drive me to believe in Satan as the ruler of the universe, not god.

So far, it appears that god either doesn't care, or hates us. There's zero evidence of god's love...and, you say there shouldn't be any either, as this is Satan's world.
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You're more intelligent than what your quotes above led us to believe surely.
You know that humans also consist of soul and spirit.
Soul AND spirit, huh?

Are you calling me stupid because I don't believe in souls? The guy who legitimately thinks David Blaine summons demons is calling me stupid? That's rich. POSITIVELY affluent
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Soul AND spirit, huh?

Are you calling me stupid because I don't believe in souls? The guy who legitimately thinks David Blaine summons demons is calling me stupid? That's rich. POSITIVELY affluent
I'm just going by what the Bible says:

Corinthians 2:
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.



Teej I agree with you that there's a lot of trickery involved in many many cases.
I even know it happens in so called Christian healers where they have an earpiece and are fed info from behind the stage about the person whom they are supposedly healing.
Their accomplice is reading their card they filled out at the gate.
LOL.
I know there's a lot of ways to trick the audience.

But there are cases where people have tried to contact the other world in private gatherings and people do get tricked into believing the dead relative is actually there.
These are deceiving spirits and familiar spirits that the Bible talks about.
They know the deceased and impersonate them to fool people into believing that there is no judgement after death.


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Logically, if demons are EVIL, you would think that INSTEAD of what the impersonated dead person ALWAYS says, which ALWAYS nice and uplifting, etc...a DEMON, would say "Son, its your fault I died, and, your fault I died horribly, and, now, I am suffering immensely due to how you didn't take better care of me before I died. Your wife is cheating on you, and, none of your children are actually yours. I hate you, and don't ever want to see you again.

So, in essence, if DEMONS are impersonating the dead, why in the world are the messages so NICE? They NEVER say anything bad, ever. Its always about being OK, working on issues, moving on, etc. (OK< maybe demons have a softer side?)

Anyway - Let me know if my above summary of your way of determining if its demons or regular slight of hand, etc, is correct.
You see, the demons don't have to reveal they are evil, they act nice, impersonate the person and they accomplish their (Satan's goal) of tricking the 'uneducated' public that the Bible is wrong, that there is no hell, that everyone moves on to the next life.

Wrong !
Once you die, you will face the judgement, don't be fooled into thinking there is no afterlife or that good people go to heaven.

You will not be judged on your good works.
Your good works outweigh your bad so you go to heaven, WRONG.

If our good works were to pay of our sins, the Jesus didn't need to die on the Cross for our sins.

You can not buy your way into heaven with your good works.
Some of the best people who have done great works for humanity will go to hell because they have not accepted Jesus' free gift of salvation.

Unless you ask Jesus into your heart and repent, you can not use your good standing as a reason to enter heaven.

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Even were there no contradictions within the bible, what we would call GIANT F*CKING PLOT HOLES in any other work of fiction, what proof is there for it? For any of the many many claims that it makes?
Prophecy !
Everything is falling into place just like it is meant to.
Here's a few:

(Ezekiel 37:4)
The Jewish people have been re-born after 2000 years.
He scattered them and regathered them back into their rightful land and in 1948 the Jewish nation was re-born.

(Zechariah 12:2)
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:
He has made Jerusalem a 'cup of trembling' that no one knows what to do with.
The UN has tried to pass so many resolutions upon Israel, a tiny nation that should not have any bearing on world affairs but alas we have come to the brink of WW3 many times because of Jerusalem and the Jewish situation.

The Mark of the Beast is coming:
Revelation 13:16-18

16 He (the Beast) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

And there's lots more.

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And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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Teej I agree with you that there's a lot of trickery involved in many many cases.
I even know it happens in so called Christian healers where they have an earpiece and are fed info from behind the stage about the person whom they are supposedly healing.
Their accomplice is reading their card they filled out at the gate.
LOL.
I know there's a lot of ways to trick the audience.

But there are cases where people have tried to contact the other world in private gatherings and people do get tricked into believing the dead relative is actually there.
These are deceiving spirits and familiar spirits that the Bible talks about.
They know the deceased and impersonate them to fool people into believing that there is no judgement after death.




You see, the demons don't have to reveal they are evil, they act nice, impersonate the person and they accomplish their (Satan's goal) of tricking the 'uneducated' public that the Bible is wrong, that there is no hell, that everyone moves on to the next life.

Wrong !
Once you die, you will face the judgement, don't be fooled into thinking there is no afterlife or that good people go to heaven.

You will not be judged on your good works.
Your good works outweigh your bad so you go to heaven, WRONG.

If our good works were to pay of our sins, the Jesus didn't need to die on the Cross for our sins.

You can not buy your way into heaven with your good works.
Some of the best people who have done great works for humanity will go to hell because they have not accepted Jesus' free gift of salvation.

Unless you ask Jesus into your heart and repent, you can not use your good standing as a reason to enter heaven.
Are you suggesting that we are all judged immediately when our physical body dies and we then immediately go to either Heaven or Hell?!!!

And that there are no ghosts/spirits of people walking among us? Only demons and angels?!!!!!

Also how do the demons get to know the deceased well enough to impersonate them?

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Are you suggesting that we are all judged immediately when our physical body dies and we then immediately go to either Heaven or Hell?!!!

And that there are no ghosts/spirits of people walking among us? Only demons and angels?!!!!!

Also how do the demons get to know the deceased well enough to impersonate them?

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27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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Daniel 12:1-3
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Do you remember the story Jesus said about the Rich Man and Lazarus.

Luke 16

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

The spirits that appear as ghosts are called familiar spirits and they impersonate the dead.

Only the people that Jesus resurrected came back to life to prove that Jesus was the Son of God.
Many were seen walking around Jerusalem after Jesus' resurrection for forty day before His assention .
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LOL


OK,

So it looks like you are confirming that if you can conceive of the magic trick being a trick, then, its just a trick, but, if you CAN'T conceive of how it can be a trick, DEMONS are involved.

IE: What you understand, scientifically, is scientifically explainable, and what you don't understand, you attribute to the supernatural.

You DON'T believe in spirits/ghosts, because you see them as in conflict with there being an afterlife....but you DO think that what people THINK are ghosts, are really DEMONS impersonating dead people.

You believe in numerology, which is the ancient basis for that 666 stuff....because you believe in that 666 stuff.

So, again, almost everything you say confirms the presence of SATAN, and nothing you say confirms the presence of god. ONLY SATAN does things which you say are observable on earth.....why ONLY evidence of Satan?

Why would not a loving GOD create illusions to entertain at Las Vegas magic acts?

Why would not a loving GOD create illusions of past loved ones to visit and comfort those left behind?

Why is it that DEMONS entertain at magic shows, and DEMONS create illusions of past loved ones to visit and comfort those left behind?

Are you SURE you're rooting for the right side?




You are giving more and more reasons to believe in Satan, and none to believe in god. God's existence doesn't even make sense if Satan is as you say HE is. Satan may BE god, according to the evidence you presented thus far at least.


Again, the story of Satan is that he was an angel...and, he didn't want to follow god's orders, and, he even wanted to BE god...so god cast him out.

Allegedly, god also sent him to hell, AND made him in charge of torturing people who ALSO rejected god.

So, doh, why would anyone who was "fired" continue to work for their old boss?

It sounds like a guy who was fired for being too ambitious, and started his own company.

The two companies are in competition with each other, for souls apparently (Not sure what they need them for?).

No motivation to collect souls, for either company, is ever given.


So, company G publishes books that say that everyone should root for company G. The books say company S is evil, and, if you are hired by them, company S will torture you for all eternity. The books also say company G is good, and kind and loving, and all knowing, and all powerful. The books ALSO say that company G's corporate policy forbids certain practices, such as homo***uality, and requires worship of the CEO. The corporate policies also include things like even saying the CEO's name in a disrespectful manner can get you fired.

The Company G employee handbook also says that because some distant ancestor of yours was tricked by company G's lawyer into gaining corporate knowledge, they and all their decedents were placed on permanent probationary status, so that thy are all on the brink of being fired unless they do exactly as told.

The books say that if company G fires you, you are AUTOMATICALLY HIRED by company S, who will then immediately start to torture you, and, that torture will continue for all eternity.




Company S has some public relations problems...but: They don't need to recruit, because anyone fired by Company G is automatically theirs. They are sent some of the best and the brightest mankind has to offer. They don't have a thick rule book, they go around spreading good cheer and entertainment, and comforting the bereaved.


I look at company G and company S, and, frankly, the prospectus for S looks friendlier...and G's seems to be all propaganda designed to smear S's company.



We seem to also have Demons and Angels to explain. If SOULS are what people have, and, when they die, their SOULS go to heaven or hell...that would imply the souls in hell for example were supposed to be tortured.

If the souls are being tortured, they are not demons parading around Las Vegas entertaining flocks of happy people, or comforting the bereaved over their losses, etc....


So, who are the demons?

If they are not passed souls, who are they? More immortal deities? Like Satan?

Was Satan a human first, who died, went to heaven, and became an angel? And then, god made him a demon (Fallen angel?)? That means god turns souls into angels into demons.

GOD MAKES DEMONS.





This is what you see?

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Prophecy !
Everything is falling into place just like it is meant to.
Here's a few:

(Ezekiel 37:4)
The Jewish people have been re-born after 2000 years.
He scattered them and regathered them back into their rightful land and in 1948 the Jewish nation was re-born.

(Zechariah 12:2)
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:
He has made Jerusalem a 'cup of trembling' that no one knows what to do with.
The UN has tried to pass so many resolutions upon Israel, a tiny nation that should not have any bearing on world affairs but alas we have come to the brink of WW3 many times because of Jerusalem and the Jewish situation.

The Mark of the Beast is coming:
Revelation 13:16-18

16 He (the Beast) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

And there's lots more.

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I'm sorry but...



I mean let's sum this up;

1. God knows what you're gonna do, what others are gonna do, but decides gee wiz, let me stick these pets in a rat maze anyway!

2. God creates the absolute worst monster version of himself, and puts him in charge of the rat maze.

3. God says I'm not going to interfere FREE WILL FOR EVERYONE!

4. God interferes.

5. You die and you're instantly judged.

Right ok then. If there is a deity to be picket from your religion to follow it's this guy:



And just so you don't feel too offended, please realize I ridicule all religions with equal zeal.

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Teej, you and RB and others have things so screwed up that I don't know where to begin nor do I have time to properly respond but I will go over a few things. My comments are mixed in below in blue.

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LOL


OK,

So it looks like you are confirming that if you can conceive of the magic trick being a trick, then, its just a trick, but, if you CAN'T conceive of how it can be a trick, DEMONS are involved.

IE: What you understand, scientifically, is scientifically explainable, and what you don't understand, you attribute to the supernatural.

You DON'T believe in spirits/ghosts, because you see them as in conflict with there being an afterlife....but you DO think that what people THINK are ghosts, are really DEMONS impersonating dead people.

Spirits/ghosts are in no way in conflict with the afterlife. Demons and Angels are something different. If there were no spirits/ghosts then I would be worried.

You believe in numerology, which is the ancient basis for that 666 stuff....because you believe in that 666 stuff.

I am still undecided about numerology so I won't comment at this time.

So, again, almost everything you say confirms the presence of SATAN, and nothing you say confirms the presence of god. ONLY SATAN does things which you say are observable on earth.....why ONLY evidence of Satan?

Why would not a loving GOD create illusions to entertain at Las Vegas magic acts?

Why would not a loving GOD create illusions of past loved ones to visit and comfort those left behind?

Why is it that DEMONS entertain at magic shows, and DEMONS create illusions of past loved ones to visit and comfort those left behind?

They don't, there are no end to people who have been visited by a loved one who has passed on, and they weren't demons. That is ridiculous!

Are you SURE you're rooting for the right side?




You are giving more and more reasons to believe in Satan, and none to believe in god. God's existence doesn't even make sense if Satan is as you say HE is. Satan may BE god, according to the evidence you presented thus far at least.


Again, the story of Satan is that he was an angel...and, he didn't want to follow god's orders, and, he even wanted to BE god...so god cast him out.

Satan was never an angel. He is most likely a Cherubim, higher up the food chain than Angels.

Allegedly, god also sent him to hell, AND made him in charge of torturing people who ALSO rejected god.

No God didn't put him in charge of torturing people, some idiot just made that up! Satan is a revolutionary who was very popular and decided to seize power and overthrow God. He failed, however some of the Angels and one third of the people sided with him in the war that followed. It was Satan and the Angels that chose his side that were cast out. The war still continues to this day but it will end eventually.

Scary isn't it!


So, doh, why would anyone who was "fired" continue to work for their old boss?

It sounds like a guy who was fired for being too ambitious, and started his own company.

The two companies are in competition with each other, for souls apparently (Not sure what they need them for?).

No motivation to collect souls, for either company, is ever given.

Wrong! They are at war. Satan doesn't care about your soul or anyone's soul, they are trophies for him. He doesn't care about us humans, he wants to hurt us or kill us or draw us away from God because he is at war with God so he can hurt God by destroying what God loves.

So, company G publishes books that say that everyone should root for company G. The books say company S is evil, and, if you are hired by them, company S will torture you for all eternity. The books also say company G is good, and kind and loving, and all knowing, and all powerful. The books ALSO say that company G's corporate policy forbids certain practices, such as homo***uality, and requires worship of the CEO. The corporate policies also include things like even saying the CEO's name in a disrespectful manner can get you fired.

The Company G employee handbook also says that because some distant ancestor of yours was tricked by company G's lawyer into gaining corporate knowledge, they and all their decedents were placed on permanent probationary status, so that thy are all on the brink of being fired unless they do exactly as told.

The books say that if company G fires you, you are AUTOMATICALLY HIRED by company S, who will then immediately start to torture you, and, that torture will continue for all eternity.

Ridiculous

Company S has some public relations problems...but: They don't need to recruit, because anyone fired by Company G is automatically theirs. They are sent some of the best and the brightest mankind has to offer. They don't have a thick rule book, they go around spreading good cheer and entertainment, and comforting the bereaved.

Their rule book is one sentence "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law".

I look at company G and company S, and, frankly, the prospectus for S looks friendlier...and G's seems to be all propaganda designed to smear S's company.



We seem to also have Demons and Angels to explain. If SOULS are what people have, and, when they die, their SOULS go to heaven or hell...that would imply the souls in hell for example were supposed to be tortured.

If the souls are being tortured, they are not demons parading around Las Vegas entertaining flocks of happy people, or comforting the bereaved over their losses, etc....


So, who are the demons?

If they are not passed souls, who are they? More immortal deities? Like Satan?

Yes they are immortal beings. They are a different race, they were never humans and we don't become Angels or demons. The demons are the Angels who chose Satans side in the war.

Was Satan a human first, who died, went to heaven, and became an angel? And then, god made him a demon (Fallen angel?)? That means god turns souls into angels into demons.

No.

GOD MAKES DEMONS.




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@ RB Astro , I've merged your (triple) post's (again).

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Teej, you and RB and others have things so screwed up that I don't know where to begin nor do I have time to properly respond but I will go over a few things. My comments are mixed in below in blue.

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You see this is a big BIG part of the problem. The two of (you and RB) both claim to be Christian, and to be following the same bible.

Yet you clearly disagree on interpretation, while leading to the same conclusion which is that anyone who doesn't follow the bible ends up in hell.

@Ped - I'll try to keep the gifs to a minimum, but make no promises... http://i.imgur.com/Ml9RhMo.gif
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