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1) Earlier I used the "I disagree" line, then you also used it, now you're calling it bs, seems hypocritical of you.
Yes, I said "I disagree" Directly after complaining about you using it as a cop-out to show you how it felt. I guess the intent was lost on you because you think that's a perfectly reasonable way to discuss something.

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You responded to my last post with one line, implying you believe compartmentalization is a characteristic of all believing biblical scholars
You asked for an explanation to explain the cognitive dissonance outlined by IE. I gave you one explanation. It certainly explains why someone would not give the bible the same scrutiny they give to other things.

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Now you're telling me that's it's impossible for me to know this, yet somehow you know.
We can only infer what's going on in the subconscious by analysis of someone's behavior. I gave you a psycological explanation of what's probably happening. Your counterargument was basically "I don't think so".

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I know your response might be something like "Christians will never change their minds and I'm rude to them to that others who are undecided will not believe"
Christians change their minds every day. You'll notice the church is hemorrhaging followers. I'm just here to have a discussion. No one will be reasoned out of their indoctrination by a single argument. But If I plant some seeds of doubt, that's a nice side-effect.

Yeah, I'm rude sometimes. I'd be nicer if this were a different setting.

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I can honestly say I am content knowing that I know Jesus.
Oh yeah? How many other religions have you tried out?

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He knew every single person that will be born.
Did he wipe our memory when we were conceived, or did we all have no personality before our life on earth?

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Once the sperm fertilises the egg, it's a human being
A human being consisting of one cell, 100 microns tall, having no nervous system, no heartbeat, no sentience, no pain reception, and no feelings.

Not very spectacular as far as humans go.

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Oh yeah? How many other religions have you tried out?
I came out of a main stream Christian denomination.
I had always considered that the Bible was the Word of God but didn't know what the bible actually taught until I picked it up and read it.
When that denomination started to teach extra biblical teachings I realised that a lot of main stream denominations do the same and that all we need is the Bible.

I don't need to try every other religion, I know I have found the truth.

Try it, see if I'm wrong.

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Oh and don't worry, there's no risk of overpopulation, we could sustain ourselves if we wanted to but greed prefers to feed the Industrial Military Complex instead !
I disagree, while you may not see it in the USA other parts of the world are already running low on fresh water. This affects the food supply as well since fresh water is needed to grow crops. Increasing the population will only worsen the problems.
Here's an interesting read for you: Outgrowing the Earth: The Food Security Challenge in an Age of Falling Water ... - Lester R. Brown - Google Books

The amount of people that the earth can sustain is estimated to be 4-16 billion people. I don't know about you, but I think the current 7.3 billion people is already too much.
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The amount of people that the earth can sustain is estimated to be 4-16 billion people. I don't know about you, but I think the current 7.3 billion people is already too much.
All it takes is a quick visit to a very densely populated, not so well off part of the world to begin to appreciate just how overpopulated the planet already is.

Estimates vary with 30 billion being the highest number sustainable by the planet, but that would be with some extreme changes... like say crickets for protein instead of a nice juicy steak.
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Did he wipe our memory when we were conceived, or did we all have no personality before our life on earth?

A human being consisting of one cell, 100 microns tall, having no nervous system, no heartbeat, no sentience, no pain reception, and no feelings.

Not very spectacular as far as humans go.
You're more intelligent than what your quotes above led us to believe surely.
You know that humans also consist of soul and spirit.

God already had each one of us in his mind before we were even conceived.
He gave us life and we sprang into existence the moment of conception but we were in His mind from the foundations of the world.
(and guess what, He knows when you're going die too!)
Of course we don't remember our birth, why should the need to wipe our memory of conception?

Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

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Edit: This is an interesting website mapping each contradiction in the bible. I has no idea there was so many.
BibViz Project - Bible Contradictions, Misogyny, Violence, Inaccuracies interactively visualized
Oh what a fun website (and very well put together I must say).
The atheists are desperate to prove themselves right, so they can justify there stance.

I tried it and typical, they take one phrase from the Bible and quote counter phrases, out of context, from other parts of the Bible and call it a contradiction.

Here, I tried this one:

Matthew 23:9

And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

So then they quote the times someone refers to their dad as Father, whoopee....

It is talking about reverence !!!
Don't refer to a priest as Father (like the Catholics and Orthodox do).
Don't reverence anyone else as Holy, only God, your Heavenly Father is worthy of this title.

It doesn't mean - "don't call your dad, Father".
Honestly do you think they were speaking in English?
Don't you think that in the original language it had a depth of meaning deeper that what an English translation carries.

Don't you know that once you're born again you are enlightened by the Holy Spirit and He gives you the deeper meaning to the scriptures.

Stop fighting it, drop your pre-conceived ideas about the Bible and give God a chance to show you the truth.

He loves you and wants you to turn to Him.

Don't blame the condition of the world on Jesus and the Bible, the world is the way it is because Satan is the god of this world and he is the cause of all our suffering and pain.
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in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

:Sigh:

And we're back to the question of free will, and god's omniscience.

Now call me crazy, but if I knew something bad, something really really really bad was going to happen to someone I cared about, or even just someone I had the power to help, with no detriment to myself... I'd do it.

I think you would too.

But god. Your god, from the bible, the god of jesus christ does not. He watches over but fails to act.

But only as of late. Miracles came about on a fairly regular basis in the old testament, just not as of late for some reason.

Where was god when roughly a third of the worlds population was wiped out with a horrible plague?

Where was god during the siege of Stalingrad where thousands of russians and germans perished for naught but the ambitions of two tyrants?

Where was god during the jewish, armenian, or rwandan attempted genocides?

Where is god now? Why, if he knows everything there is to know, and has the power to do anything does he fail to act.

Yours it would seem is a god that either does not care, or is simply not there.

Edit: Why doesn't god stop Satan? Is he all powerful or not?

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And we're back to the question of free will, and god's omniscience.

Now call me crazy, but if I knew something bad, something really really really bad was going to happen to someone I cared about, or even just someone I had the power to help, with no detriment to myself... I'd do it.

I think you would too.

But god. Your god, from the bible, the god of jesus christ does not. He watches over but fails to act.

But only as of late. Miracles came about on a fairly regular basis in the old testament, just not as of late for some reason.

Where was god when roughly a third of the worlds population was wiped out with a horrible plague?

Where was god during the siege of Stalingrad where thousands of russians and germans perished for naught but the ambitions of two tyrants?

Where was god during the jewish, armenian, or rwandan attempted genocides?

Where is god now? Why, if he knows everything there is to know, and has the power to do anything does he fail to act.

Yours it would seem is a god that either does not care, or is simply not there.

Edit: Why doesn't god stop Satan? Is he all powerful or not?
Where was God?
Same place He was when His Son Jesus was being crucified !

You seem to think that this life is the one that is eternal.
Wrong, the life that's eternal, the one that is most important is the one after this one.
This life, and the way you live it, determines where you spend eternity.
It is this life that God wants you to worry about, because He knows the awful end that awaits everyone that rejects Him.

Do you think it will be nice if you are living amongst rapists, murderers and thieves etc for eternity.
It's bad enough what we have to put up with now in society.

He doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, Hell was created for Satan and his demons.
God allowed His Son Jesus to be crucified so that in this life we would realise that sin carries the penalty of death and hell.
So that we can see and finally realise (before we die) that our sins will be judged and unless we repent now and ask Jesus for forgiveness, we will face Hell.

God wants us to have free will.
This means that we have to have a choice, free will is not free will if there's no choice involved.
So He has allowed Satan to be the god of this (temporary world and life) so that we have a choice, God or Satan.
Satan won the world over when he tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
Now we see the world the way Satan runs it and we have a choice to repent and turn to Jesus for everlasting life or follow Satan into Hell.

Heaven will be for the ones that repent:

Revelation 21: 4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Don't look for justice in this life, Satan is in control of this world.

If you don't like living amongst thieves, murderers, adulterers, liers now, just think how bad it will be living with them in hell for eternity.

God is a loving God, but He is also a Just God.

Hell is for all who do not turn from their wicked sins within this lifetime.

Yes we all have sin, but some of us have had that sin washed away by the Blood of Jesus.

You choose this day what you will do with Jesus and seal your fate.
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And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
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clearly, god does not give us free will. at least not all the time. he forced pharaoh to resist letting the isrealites go, despite equipping moses with magic tricks designed to do the opposite. he screwed Job over big time (or rather allowed him to be screwed), just for a bet with satan. he cant seem to make up his mind whether to destroy evil people now, or wait until judgement day

not sure why such a capricious will is tolerated by the believers of a god that supposedly knows the future. If I knew the future, you'd expect me to not change my mind so much

glad you found one inconsequential contradiction to debunk RB, now you can rest assured that all the others are equally bogus, though I'd much like to see some of the more important ones addressed.
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Stop fighting it, drop your pre-conceived ideas about the Bible and give God a chance to show you the truth.

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I was raised as a Christian. If there is a god he never did show me the truth. I gave it a chance and it didn't work out it.
If god wanted me to love him why did he not show me the truth?
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You're more intelligent than what your quotes above led us to believe surely.
You know that humans also consist of soul and spirit.
You clearly haven't read enough of cyparagon's replies to this thread if you think that he believes a human is soul and spirit.
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The atheists are desperate to prove themselves right, so they can justify there stance.
I can't speak for all atheists, but the general impression I've gotten from others is that we don't give a crap what you believe in as long as you aren't trying to force your beliefs on others. Or use it as a position of power.

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Don't you know that once you're born again you are enlightened by the Holy Spirit and He gives you the deeper meaning to the scriptures.
"Dont you know" no a lot of us don't. I hate to break it to you, but a lot of atheists DON'T GIVE A SINGLE CARE about what your faith says. ANd here you go again saying things as if they are true when there is in fact no verified and documented proof that anything you are saying is true.

And I'm quite well off without any enlightenment or deep meaning. I see things the way I do and I do not want nor need it to change.

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Stop fighting it, drop your pre-conceived ideas about the Bible and give God a chance to show you the truth.

He loves you and wants you to turn to Him.
My ideas aren't pre-concieved. There a direct result of observing the affects, both good and bad, that religion has on individuals and communities.

"Give God a chance" thats the point though isn't it? Atheists don't believe in a God because God has had ample opportunity to show itself and it never has. No proof for us means no acceptance.

Also what "truth"? It clearly isn't important because I've been functioning without it for 20 years now. I don't need any "truth" beyond what I can observe myself.

"He loves you" Okay I can't even get a straight answer on this one. I'm either condemned for eternity by God for being an atheist or God loves us all anyways.

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Don't blame the condition of the world on Jesus and the Bible, the world is the way it is because Satan is the god of this world and he is the cause of all our suffering and pain.
Of course it isn't Jesus and the bible (sounds like a religious band name). Christianity isn't global. Theres multitudes of other faith's around the world that I'm willing to bet to a larger or smaller degree have also caused conflict. Its not religions fault really, its the people who take their faith too far and try to force their faith onto others by violent means that cause problems.

Its undeniable that there is a lot of conflict going on right now causes by various people's different beliefs.
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clearly, god does not give us free will. at least not all the time. he forced pharaoh to resist letting the isrealites go, despite equipping moses with magic tricks designed to do the opposite.
Good points and here is the answer.

God hardened Pharaoh's heart to show the Israelites (and all of us) that He is God.

In Romans 9 we're told:
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”
16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”
18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

If you notice, we're told the Pharaoh hardened his own heart.
His free will was exercised.

Exodus 8:32
32 But Pharaoh hardened his heart this time also, and did not let the people go.

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he screwed Job over big time (or rather allowed him to be screwed), just for a bet with satan. he cant seem to make up his mind whether to destroy evil people now, or wait until judgement day
Job in the end was mightily blessed by God.
He ended up with more than what he started with because of his faithfulness to God.

Job 42:
10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.


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glad you found one inconsequential contradiction to debunk RB, now you can rest assured that all the others are equally bogus, though I'd much like to see some of the more important ones addressed.
Happy for you to pick one for me.

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I was raised as a Christian. If there is a god he never did show me the truth. I gave it a chance and it didn't work out it.
If god wanted me to love him why did he not show me the truth?
Maybe He is speaking to you right now.
You sound like you're still willing to hear from God.
Maybe you just need to approach Him with repentance and allow Him to reveal Himself to you through the Bible alone.

It's never too late.
Remember the two thieves on the crosses next to Jesus.
One was being arrogant and was taunting Jesus to get Himself and them down from there.

The other repented, believed in Jesus with all his heart, he knew Jesus was innocent and he asked Jesus to remember him when Jesus came into His Kingdome.

That man has enjoyed approx. 2000 years of heaven so far.
The other is in torment.

Take the Bible at 'face value' and believe.
It's easy to understand.

Start from the Book of John if you like.
If you are sincere you will be Born Again.

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“He who believes in Him is not condemned;
but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
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"He loves you" Okay I can't even get a straight answer on this one. I'm either condemned for eternity by God for being an atheist or God loves us all anyways.
Here's your answer:

He loves you and he loves me.
He tells both of us to repent or else the penalty for the crime we have committed is Death!
One of us repents and listens to God.
If he allows both of us into heaven anyway, people will call Him a liar.

God loves us all, but He is also a 'Just' God.
He always keeps His Word.

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For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him
should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world,

but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned;
but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
(John 3:16-21)
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If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from
the dead, you will be saved.
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and it is with your mouth that you confess
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Don't get me wrong, most magic trick are just tricks.
I'm talking about the really unexplainable tricks that you see some magicians do, like some of David Blain's and Dynamo's etc.
Not all are tricks done with gadgets and strings etc, some are really unexplainable and can only be done by use of demonic forces.

See these clips:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2UuIs8rdHc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuYqmFYLs6E

Ever wonder why some people claim to have made contact with a dead relative or make such contact on behalf of others, in séances for example?
They are actually demons pretending to be those dead relatives, they know the dead person so well that they can impersonate them.



So, if I understand you correctly:

1) If tricks are performed, and you understand how they can be done, they do not require demons.

2) If tricks are performed, and you can't understand how they are done, they DO require demons.

Would this be a correct summary?






PS - I don't have to wonder about how mediums can contact the dead. Its a very old parlor trick series. Essentially, they don't contact the dead.

The primary methods involve any combination of vague questions that allow the medium to read the responses and cultivate a line of conversation/association, vague answers that tell the subjects what they want to hear, research into audience members lives so as to illicit triggers and guide the medium as to if there's a recent/close death, real estate transaction, etc....audience plants who listen to conversations and/or act as innocent audience members where needed, and so forth.

IE: There's no dead people.

If you watch the mediums (John Edwards, etc) perform, they start with pointing out a section of the audience....because they are told a seat number typically. They then go through a series of probes, such as:

I'm getting a "B", someone you know died has a name starting with a B, or with a "B" association...maybe Bobby, Robert, Brandy, Billy, William, anyone?

I have an uncle Robert who passed.

YES! That's it! (Or, if the research was for a few seats over, but the person didn't connect the "B" association with his MOM, Beth, so the WRONG SEAT WAS RESPONDING...), then the medium does what the audience sees as NOT scamming them, and says, NO, its NOT ROBERT, its the spirit of an older female, one level up from the seat member, perhaps a mother?

Beth's son suddenly realizes his Mom's name is BETH, and says, My mom's name was Beth, and she passed recently.

The medium now knows who the mark is, and, the mark has ID himself as needed for it to be convincing...plus, the medium has REJECTED a lead, which convinces audience members of his GENUINENESS, instead of cluing them in that he was off a few seats, etc.

And he continues, and the mark will be amazed with "some knowledge that only the dead person would have known", as in You had a teddy bear you loved when you were little, you named it something that sounded like, eddy, or, betty, or, "TEDDY!!! I Called it TEDDY!", yes, that's it, teddy (If enough research was possible, even where in his room the bear might be, a color of a ribbon, etc)...told that it wasn't his fault, his mom is happy, and wants him to move on with his life, etc.

Logically, if demons are EVIL, you would think that INSTEAD of what the impersonated dead person ALWAYS says, which ALWAYS nice and uplifting, etc...a DEMON, would say "Son, its your fault I died, and, your fault I died horribly, and, now, I am suffering immensely due to how you didn't take better care of me before I died. Your wife is cheating on you, and, none of your children are actually yours. I hate you, and don't ever want to see you again.


So, in essence, if DEMONS are impersonating the dead, why in the world are the messages so NICE? They NEVER say anything bad, ever. Its always about being OK, working on issues, moving on, etc. (OK< maybe demons have a softer side?)


The Scheme:

So, we start with barely knowing what letter the "spirit" is mumbling, to the spirit now communicating complex thoughts and emotions, which BTW, are always inspiring, cathartic and insightful.

This is of course why they paid $100/ticket to go to the show, waited for 3-12 months for the show, and believe in psychics/mediums.



So, if you want to be a medium, you need to understand how it all works. You use that long lead time before the show (Months typically) to research the audience members for those with histories and family connections, maybe even stories, etc. You don't need to research ALL of them, because you will only be doing a few per show, maybe 3-4 or so at most typically...so a dozen is plenty so you have back up if there's some no shows, etc.

You can send staff to hang out where the people will be, and "share the story of their loss" etc. So, a few months before the show, now that the person is excited about it, and looking forward to finally getting answers/a final good bye from their dead loved one, etc....they find themselves telling a total stranger in line at the supermarket, etc, some personal info.

Sure, its a lot of work, but, magic, to be convincing, can be very very involved.



Some of the tricks have involved making the statue of liberty disappear for example...and a rotating seating area that spun the 1,000+ member audience around to face the wrong way, so smoothly that they don't realize that they are moving, a curtain system to block their view of stars and city lights that would give away the ruse, and, which can cost millions to erect in secrecy, might be used.

So, sure, if sitting there, and you see the statue of liberty, and, you saw it on the drive up, etc...you know its the statue of liberty, you know how its built, and that it can't be taken down in a few minutes, etc...and a curtain goes up, there's music and the magician is dancing about waving a wand or whatever his schtick is, and, then Voila! The curtain comes down, and the statue is GONE!

You would have no way to know how he did that...he made the statue of Liberty disappear! You look really hard, its just ocean where there used to be a statue, you can see the waves, its not a picture, etc....ASTOUNDING!

The idea that you are now looking in the opposite direction would not occur to you...as you didn't know the entire seating platform rotated 180º....you only knew your seat didn't move, the people next to you didn't move, and, the statue is gone.

So, no demons, just technology and the drive to create illusions that defy explanation...because they are incredible advertising for your magicianship. You get your money back doing doves and cards and making balls float in the air and sawing assistants in half, etc, as your shows sell out because you're the guy who made the statue of liberty disappear....your cred goes through the roof.


Anyway - Let me know if my above summary of your way of determining if its demons or regular slight of hand, etc, is correct.

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