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I'm stickin' with Satan. He appears to be more benevolent.

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First of all, iskor12, your language and way of addressing certainly didn't elevate my oppinion of you. Maybe someday you'll grow up and learn to discuss, then again the probability of that happening may be lower than 1/10^50...

Jander6442, you rightfully notice my anger -- I am angry when I see people blown up because of religion; I am angry when I see children being brainwashed and taught stupidities in the name of religion; I am angry at the morons who keep potentially life-saving treatments out of the reach of the sick in the name of religion. I sincerely believe religion had it's use in the past, but now all it does is hold the human race back, sometimes with disastrous consequences. So I do all I can to push it back to the best of my abilitites; however, this anger is not directed towards you, your religious friends or even the likes of iskor12, and if that has emerged from my posts then I must appologize. I will try to express myself more clearly...

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It doesn't matter who placed the mines there, not even who built them... All it matters is that goody-god allowed thousands of children to step on them and get maimed. There are a miriad ways that could have been prevented, all that was required was for the mine to "malfunction" at the right moment, or for the child to be called by his mother to supper; yet it happened. So I am asking: is that god GOOD?

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"So if the poor souls happen to believe in the holy goat or whatever voodoo religion their tribe has, bad luck, they're gonna rot in hell for eternity! "
jander: Yea that is why you must follow in the path of Jesus. It's written in the scriptures NEW TESTAMENT. God is the one who judges not man.
I am not debating what is written in the bible, as I said I already knew that. But what I am asking is -- how could a god that makes such a judgment be called good? How can a man be condemned to eternal (really... eternal) suffering when he didn't even know about the existence of god? Can you not see the sad absurdity in that?

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jander: It's why he is the boss... the Creator. Thats the whole point.
it's all his...Why does this anger you so. He gave you life do you regret the life he has given you?
It angers me because it is unfair! It is unjust! It goes against every piece of moral fiber that has been ingrained in us -- and if we take your creation story to be true, then in means that goody-god himself gave us reason and morals to begin with! So what you are saying is that by using the abilities granted by the god himself, we can judge his actions to be unjust, unfair, and plainly wrong, yet we should accept them because "he created us"?!

I sincerely would prefer to never become alive than to live an eternity of suffering and torture... I mean, would you be "thankful" to a god that created you for the sole purpose of unending, painful, miserable existance? Would you?

I'll just say that _if_ such a creature existed, it would be our moral imperative to do anything in our power to destroy it! Such a "creator" would not be worthy of it's creation... Thankfully I can sleep easily at night knowing that it doesn't exist.

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jander: This is true, that would be a criminal act. It's breaking one of the ten commandments first of all... tho shall not kill. Secondly one can't question the motives of God it's kinda the whole point . Humans don't judge other humans on who gets to go to the holy land. God is good
never would, God, rip out the legs of a righteous person. That is the act again... of evil hearted people w/free moral agent.
So it's a criminal act only because the "commandments" forbade it? Otherwise it would be alright? There's nothing deeper in each of us, stopping us from murdering and torturing each other than the "commandments"? Most of which deal with completely irrelevant things like "don't work on the Sabbath"? If that god created us with the intelect to question, it is only natural that we use that intelect to question god himself, and I'd imagine he should come out as an example of good and righteousness... Alas, not the case.

And while I could marginally accept that he/it would never "rip out the legs of a righteous person"... the fact remains that it happens, so therefore it must be god's will? Is there really a difference between doing something and "letting it happen" when it comes to an omnipotent/omniscient being? If you saw a man clinging for his life and did nothing to help but just stared at him falling to his death, could you still live with yourself?

Why does goody-god have to be above any moral and common-sense rule that he instilled in us to begin with? That's nothing but hypocrisy and double-standards! Hardly worthy of an almighty deity...

And one more thing -- being "rewarded" in an afterlife is a very poor promise for someone in extreme suffering. The fact that the afterlife could turn out to be another eternity of suffering just because you were born in the wrong family doesn't go far in sweetening the deal either...

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jander: it's obvious the questions you ask are like...no offense my 10 year old would know most of these questions and by faith answer w/out hesitation.
No offence, but I feel sorry for you 10 year old and am deeply troubled by the thought that he will grow up indoctrinated from such a young age. I can only hope he'll have the clarity to see through it as he matures.

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jander: A yea there this whole other part of the Bible called the NEW TESTIMENT...agian no offense
So then you agree that the Old Testament was full of prejudice and immorality? Would you rather ignore it in further discussion?

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you still get that chose to either be faithful or not... were not preprogrammed robots... he knows worship of the voluntary is love for him. Any forced act is just programming a machine.
Sorry, but reconciling omniscience/omnipotentcy with free will has been an impossible task to countless religious thinkers during the ages, and with all their elaborate arguments they ultimately fail. Either god knew before creating Adam that humans would sin and fall (in which case, why create them only to be subject to eternities of pain), or he created them good but they were "corrupted" against his will, thus making him not omnipotent. Either way you go, you get a contradiction. And no, "mysterious ways" does not count as an argument, that's basically fquivalent to "because I say so".

Even if you somehow get past that major hurdle, the "free-will or machines" argument creates a false choice. There are infinite ways in which an all-good, all-powerful god could communicate with his creation without making us "machines". Yet for some reason that never happens... To rephrase a previous example, making the bullet of a madman miss his 5 year-old target would not make machines out of anyone, how could it? Does the child somehow "choose" to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

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i respect all the religions in the world, their niche is not in reason and knowledge, but emotional support.
Hmm, I could agree with that if not for one thing: if religions would just help people cope with adversity, it would all be fine and dandy; but there is a serious side-effect -- people who imbrace religious thought go down the path of accepting preposterous things without evidence, and what's worse, they make a virtue out of it. This leads to such a slippery-slope that we end with abominations like creationism being taught in schools... All forms of organized religion would need to seriously rethink their involvement in public life before gaining my respect. As it stands, I find them dangerous and worthy of opposition on all fronts.

Niko, thanks for the support, much appreciated! You're stating things a little more direct than I would As an aside, I find this review an interesting reflection upon the Dark Ages and their subsequent causes and effects, might be worth a read... Here's a snippet:
"Over literally centuries of theological dispute, the Church hammered out its official position regarding hundreds of religious controversies—including those of the Trinity, the Eucharist, the problem of evil, and countless others. Predictably, given the logical impossibility of proving any faith-based, transcendent claim, there was endless intellectual disagreement with the official conclusions. Many of those who rejected the orthodox findings were condemned as heretics. What is the history of the Church’s dealings with those Catholic thinkers independent enough to dispute some aspect of its official doctrine? It is not pretty."

Daguin, I couldn't let you out of this, your posts in this thread are so deliciously disrupting, and your last one definitely a good laugh Thanks!
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Unwinable argument... and yes God knew of the messiah before he created man and it's written the anyone of us you included would have eaten the fruit from the tree of knowledge ...

I stand by what I said... I haven't now or ever needed someone or something to make my life complete other than the promise of heaven and Jesus. Ask yourselves what do you live for It's obvious the next argument.

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First of all, iskor12, your language and way of addressing certainly didn't elevate my oppinion of you. Maybe someday you'll grow up and learn to discuss, then again the probability of that happening may be lower than 1/10^50...

Jander6442, you rightfully notice my anger -- I am angry when I see people blown up because of religion; I am angry when I see children being brainwashed and taught stupidities in the name of religion; I am angry at the morons who keep potentially life-saving treatments out of the reach of the sick in the name of religion. I sincerely believe religion had it's use in the past, but now all it does is hold the human race back, sometimes with disastrous consequences. So I do all I can to push it back to the best of my abilitites; however, this anger is not directed towards you, your religious friends or even the likes of iskor12, and if that has emerged from my posts then I must appologize. I will try to express myself more clearly...

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Why are you posting in white? You obviously want people to read what you have to say. Why are you hiding it?

Also, you may as well stop arguing because you will never change me and my religious views. In my case, your waisting your time.

I appoligize for my language. That is something that I still need to work on. Thanks for addressing that.

I am going to stop responding to you, for it's obvious that you are a lost cause and no matter what I say isn't going to change a thing. (This doesn't mean that your a bad person)

One last thing, I know that I must come out as immature, but I honestly am not. I have never been good at debating and I recon I never will be. I appoligize for coming off as an idiot.

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Hmm. I didn't know that. Well they do now!!
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Unwinable argument... and yes God knew of the messiaha before he created man and it's written the anyone of us you included would have eaten the fruit from the tree of knowledge ...
Well, in that case it means we really are machines and there's really not much point in anything... since it was all predetermined? But I should point out that it's not a common view among religions, and indeed secular philosophy either, that's actually a point of contention of big proportions.

As for what I live for, it's a little long and off-topic to post here, suffice it to say it's neither YHWH nor any other fairy-tale god.

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Also, you may as well stop arguing because you will never change me and my religious views. In my case, your waisting your time.
I appoligize for my language. That is something that I still need to work on. Thanks for addressing that.
I don't debate this with the goal of "converting" anyone, I am fully aware that will not happen, at least not overnight. The purpose is enrichment of knowledge for everyone involved, including the ones who may stumble upon this thread at some future point in time; for that reason, even if one person has the seed of doubt planted in their mind, I'd consider it a worthy expense of time.

In any case, appology accepted and I hope you understand I have no intention of attacking people personally, only ideas; unfortunately, when the discussion is about such fundamental issues, it is easy to feel offended on either side.

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I take it you're viewing the forum using the VBulletin skin selected under Options as "Default Skin"? I should point out that the default forum skin has a light-on-dark appearance, with white as the default text colour, therefore it appears ok to me and I assume most other members. The reason I changed the colour were jander's posts, he kept using yellow and green and it "bled" into my own text as well, so I simply selected it all and picked white as the colour. Guess having both theme selection and colour-editing available on a forum is a bad idea and can lead to situations like these... frankly I think themes should be disabled, but alas that's the owner's choice.


In any case, appology accepted and I hope you understand I have no intention of attacking people personally, only ideas; unfortunately, when the discussion is about such fundamental issues, it is easy to feel offended on either side.

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You are correct on your assumption of the theme that I am using.

It's all good. It's obviously a touchy subject for most people.

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So if the poor souls happen to believe in the holy goat or whatever voodoo religion their tribe has, bad luck, they're gonna rot in hell for eternity! You really, sincerely believe that?
Yea that is why you must follow in the path of Jesus.
A just and loving god would realize simply not believing in him is not a crime worthy of hellfire.

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Your saying that God laid down those mines... cause I think that was up to some evil non-God fearing bastards that did that.
Does that mean you believe natural disasters are god's work?
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A just and loving god would realize simply not believing in him is not a crime worthy of hellfire.



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Does that mean you believe natural disasters are god's work?
You know what I believe in... How about you my man. and last I looked
the thread was what is your religion not how to flame fellow members for posting from there hearts.
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It's not just a story and It's not just a fascinating Myth. Time and Time again, the stories in the Bible have been "scientificly" proven to be true.

Some churches/denominations are saying that one day for God could be equal to a million years for us. This I do agree with. In this cases, some evolution theories could be true, but I still don't believe that US as Humans evolved from Apes. Also, if we are still evolving, since it's never ending, what are we going to turn into next? I find that this part of the Evolution THEORY is BOGUS.


"Science has proven the bible true, so it MUST be true, but I still don't believe in all that 'sciency' mumbo-jumbo about evolution".

Truly astounding.

And you clearly don't know how evolution works. Don't worry though, you're not alone. The widespread misunderstanding and misrepresentation of evolution throughout the US is a major failing of the US education system.

I'll also add that this is a self-propagating failure: the more people don't understand and "believe" in evolution, the worse the education is going to get because people are going to vote science out of the classroom, just because they don't understand it.

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Also, this reminds of a recent study about Americans and their views on science: Americans value science, but not all of it: survey | Science | Reuters

"Americans value science, but not all of it: survey

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Many Americans still value the nation's scientific achievements, but unlike most scientists, they often pick and choose which scientific findings they agree with, especially in the areas of climate change and evolution, according to a survey released on Thursday."

You thinking here is a prime example of what this article is talking about, you're cherry-picking the parts of science that you WANT to believe, and leaving the ones you don't find desirable.
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"Science has proven the bible true, so it MUST be true, but I still don't believe in all that 'sciency' mumbo-jumbo about evolution".

Truly astounding.

And you clearly don't know how evolution works. Don't worry though, you're not alone. The widespread misunderstanding and misrepresentation of evolution throughout the US is a major failing of the US education system.

I'll also add that this is a self-propagating failure: the more people don't understand and "believe" in evolution, the worse the education is going to get because people are going to vote science out of the classroom, just because they don't understand it.

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Also, this reminds of a recent study about Americans and their views on science: Americans value science, but not all of it: survey | Science | Reuters

"Americans value science, but not all of it: survey

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Many Americans still value the nation's scientific achievements, but unlike most scientists, they often pick and choose which scientific findings they agree with, especially in the areas of climate change and evolution, according to a survey released on Thursday."

You thinking here is a prime example of what this article is talking about, you're cherry-picking the parts of science that you WANT to believe, and leaving the ones you don't find desirable.
last I looked moment of silence was out...not science. cannot say that was for the best ...awaiting for what am sure is going to be a beguilded responce...

PS talk about cherry-picking last I looked the entire last 2 pages of post
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