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I already know how this conversation goes. I tell you what the bible says, and you do your mental gymnastics until it fits what you already believe, so let's skip to that part...

What do you believe? There's a guy in a remote African village that lives an honest and kind life, but has never heard of Jesus. Where's he going when he dies? And what about someone in the developed world that lives an honest and kind life, but has rejected Jesus? Where's he going when he dies? We'll go from there.
The one who rejects Jesus will be sepatated from God when they die. A far as the "African village fellow" I honestly don't believe there is a clear biblical answer for this. Your running off your own assumptions of the Christian faith as to who you think would or would not be separated from God after death who haven't heard about Jesus . Apparently you've set the bar at "douche canoe".

Since you don't believe in God there must be a biblical basis for you to believe the Christian faith says all "non-douche canoes" who haven't heard about Jesus go to heaven. Or you just made that up to incriminate believers, which isn't a very scientific thing to do.


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No, they cant. Its a genetic impossibility. You have to mix DNA, otherwise it all starts to break down. Negative traits build up and get pased on until your left with an animal that has deformities, is very susceptible to disease, and would die out.

You can see a real life example in the pet industry. A lot of specialty breeds of animals are weaker than others because breeders only breed them with the same sub species and that limits their generic diversity.
Sry for the double. Now before I get into it I'm not trying to prove you wrong and I don't know much about genetics, but... about 5 years ago I bought a plant for an aquarium I still have and on the plant there were two baby snails. These snails had lots of babies and some snail generations later (about 2 years) I had what you could call an extinction level event and there was literally one snail left. Now three years later many snail generations have passed and there is a stable population in my tank.

Is this a genetic miracle or is there more to it? I assume there is more to it.
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Sry for the double. Now before I get into it I'm not trying to prove you wrong and I don't know much about genetics, but... about 5 years ago I bought a plant for an aquarium I still have and on the plant there were two baby snails. These snails had lots of babies and some snail generations later (about 2 years) I had what you could call an extinction level event and there was literally one snail left. Now three years later many snail generations have passed and there is a stable population in my tank.

Is this a genetic miracle or is there more to it? I assume there is more to it.
I had the exact same thing happen, I once had 5 aquariums, one got infested with snails the same way and I had them for several years until I had to move and I gave up having any aquariums.

I would carry this question a step further and ask if some primordial ooz somehow contained the right ingredients and got struck by lightning or whatever it was that happened to create the first single sell organism. How did that evolve into all life on earth? Now that sounds to me like a genetic miracle.

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origin of life is still unknown, but I've never heard a scientist suggest it started as a complete cell, or even DNA. just because we arent sure doesnt mean we should posit a deity

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origin of life is still unknown, but I've never heard a scientist suggest it started as a complete cell, or even DNA. just because we arent sure doesnt mean we should posit a deity
That's right still unknown. Please tell me what biological life doesn't have one or more complete cells?
I don't think its biological life until it does, and once there was the first single cell organism how do you get the huge variety of life on earth?
Could they all have evolved from a single cell form of life?

I don't buy it just yet. Maybe biological life was made by nonbiological life or maybe the earth was seeded with life by aliens, but then how did they come into existence. I expect nothing will be proven in our lifetimes. So there is probably no point to our speculation.

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Found this gem on Reddit today. Can't tell if its a joke or not, but I think they owe Valve some royalties for using the TF2 soldier.

EDIT: Oh so it was a funny ad for TF2 but someone had to twist it as per usual.

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I thing eggs for the purpose of food are just ovum. They never got fertilized.
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A far as the "African village fellow" I honestly don't believe there is a clear biblical answer for this.
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I think I'll just stick to worshiping my coherent photonic false idols thanks
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Sry for the double. Now before I get into it I'm not trying to prove you wrong and I don't know much about genetics, but... about 5 years ago I bought a plant for an aquarium I still have and on the plant there were two baby snails. These snails had lots of babies and some snail generations later (about 2 years) I had what you could call an extinction level event and there was literally one snail left. Now three years later many snail generations have passed and there is a stable population in my tank.

Is this a genetic miracle or is there more to it? I assume there is more to it.
If there was literally only one snail left, and, that one snail repopulated the tank...or, all the prior snails left eggs that hatched after the parents had mostly perished.



As snails are typically hermaphrodites, any one of them can have eggs, etc..so you might only NEED one snail if it's eggs were fertilized in time, etc.

IE: Two snails mate, and both carry eggs.

So if the snails over populate the tank...and die off, whatever is left typically hatches and eats the remaining eggs if it can, and so forth.

It doesn't SOUND miraculous, but, its just how they evolved.
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Also simpler organisms are less susceptible to the damaging effects of inbreeding.

But probably were eggs left over from other snails.
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