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It could if the antichrist will become the leader of a global government and head of a single world religion, suppose hypothetically that everyone had to be a citizen of this one world government as well as abandon your current religion and accept this new single religion, everyone else gets put in prison and eventually executed if they don't convert and maybe some are able to flee to a safe place somewhere.

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OH, you mean like during the Inquisition?



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I'd say that sounds like the left behind series. except in the series the antichrist kills those who do not accept the mark, which is an actual thing you get on the hand/forehead. not saying they had it right. I've no stake in this particular issue, it's all theoretical to me. you have made a reasonable counter agruement I suppose, though it still seems ambiguous to me

I've seen bumper stickers that say, "in event of rapture, car will be left unattended" or something similar. I'd be more likely to rock "in event of rapture, can I have your car?" on mine

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Well it's one of several interpretations of how it may happen, I wouldn't want to say it in much more detail as it would just be speculation.

I very much like your idea of a bumper sticker, and I would in no way be offended by it but some people would, they can kiss our left behinds if they don't like it

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No, it is a translation thing...its a real MARK. There are MANY biblical references to marks on people, Cain, etc...and they usually mark those to be PROTECTED.

Its akin to branding cattle, so a rustler knows which ornery rancher will be hanging him if he messes with THOSE steers, etc.

You can't read too much into the words chosen...as they are typically translations of translations of translations, etc....unless you read it in Aramaic etc.

No it's not a real mark. Do you think people would be that stupid to accept it. There is no shortage of idiocy in the world but not that much. It has to be something that will fool most people into just accepting it.

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No it's not a real mark. Do you think people would be that stupid to accept it. There is no shortage of idiocy in the world but not that much. It has to be something that will fool most people into just accepting it.



Yes maybe somewhat similar.

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LOL...no....if you read the entire set of mythology that goes along with this, you'd see that it IS A REAL MARK.

We are talking about a book with talking snakes and 500 year old men needing a mere 7 days to gather every known species on the planet and getting them into a boat, etc...

We've got god punishing Satan for wanting to rebel against him, by making him in charge of torturing people who do not follow god...oooh, get out the soft pillows to torture the bad people...and, yeah, lets punish Napoleon for rebelling against the King, by making him in charge of anyone who rebels against the king, and, lets also make sure his job include recruiting more of them.....and, lets make sure that once he gets a large enough army, we all get to have a final fight to the death!

An idiot's plan.





IE: There was no shortage of idiocy...nor was one ever predicted. MARKS are a very common, and very real part of that time period.

So, despite the idiocy, yeah, 666 on forehead and hand...but, it CAN be a numerology equivalent, say, "600 + 60 + 6", or 999 upside down, etc.

Unless you reject this particular mythology, and consider this idiocy no different that the other idiocies, etc.

IE: Arguing if superman could beat up mighty mouse, etc....or what kind of mark would make sense for superman to tattoo onto mighty mouse, or whatever....if they don't exist, what kind of tattoo they like doesn't really matter either.




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You are making no sense at all, what does the book of Genesis have to do with the antichrist and mark of the beast? Nothing you just said makes any sense at all. I think your up past your bedtime.

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You are making no sense at all, what does the book of Genesis have to do with the antichrist and mark of the beast? Nothing you just said makes any sense at all. I think your up past your bedtime.

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I am DEFINITELY up past my bedtime, but, Genesis and Revelations are in the bible, and its the bible that required no shortage of idiocy of its readers....hence the reference to parts of the bible that required idiocy...in the context that you seemed shocked that there were things that sound stupid about the bible, such as the mark BEING A mark, etc.

I just happened to pick some examples from Genesis, as most creation myths are notoriously idiotic to begin with...and they came to mind first.



Again, the bible is chock full of visible marks, even the passover story talks about marking the doors of the homes, so that the ANGEL OF DEATH knows where to get first born children to kill, and where to "pass over" and not take the first born, etc.

This one combines the typical "Marking" with the apparent need for the ANGEL OF DEATH, who normally doesn't need men to mark out his assignments on a daily basis....to suddenly NEED MEN to mark off his target parameters.

God: AOD, I need you to kill a bunch of people every day, forever, its your job now...here's the list of dates, times and names.

AOD: Jeez oh man, that's a TERRIBLE job. Couldn't I be the Angel of Christmas Tree tops?

God: No, that's my plan for you, and besides, you'd be sodomized by millions of pointy topped coniferous anal probes for all eternity, its not all its cracked up to be.

AOD: Sigh, OK. (Goes on to kill people all day every day for thousands of years...)

On Passover (The killing of the First Born Egyptians) -

God - Oh, yeah, change order, kill the first born male child of all the Egyptians.

AOD: Why not the females?

God: What?, oh, the Pharaoh has a son, so its all the son's I want killed.

AOD: So, the list you made doesn't already have all of them on it? I thought you were all knowing and all that?

God: I have lightening and know how to use THAT if you get my drift?

AOD: Sigh...OK, so, how are you going to tell me who these new ones are that you did not already know about in your grand scheme for the universe?

God: Simple, I tell the PEOPLE to mark their doors for you, and then, you go into every house WITHOUT THE MARK, find the first born male child, and kill him.

AOD: You're giving me unmarked doors to houses, but no names and times. This is highly irregular. How do I know who was born first? Why not just give me a list like the one you gave me that covered all eternity?

God: Just kill the largest child with a dick, improvise. You'll get the right kid often enough for it to send the message I want to send.

AOD: Wait, you're killing all these innocent children, to make the Pharaoh change his mind? Why not just kill the Pharaoh? Or just change his mind?

God: Look, this almighty, omnipotent, omniscient thing is exhausting. I'm faking it...and I can't kill the Pharaoh...because he's protected by the Sun God. Ra and I go way back, and, out of professional courtesy, I can't kill the Pharaoh. I'm hardening his heart though, so my message won't actually change his mind. I CAN kill his son though, but, Ra will later make me sacrifice a son of mine, its complicated....

AOD: So, wait, you are killing all these innocent children to send a message, to change the Pharaoh's mind, but at the same time, you plan to harden his heart, so he WON'T change his mind? Wait, you are not as powerful as you made out in the prospectus....our retirement plan and all, its going to be OK?

God: Oh, yeah, that's tight. I've got this thing planned in Rome to set up a religion that will rake in the cash, we'll be golden. I'm going to tie it to the deal I made with Ra...its genius. I'm even going to involve passover, in memory of this deal.

AOD: I'm going to skip the "you having a son part", as it sounds like another harebrained scheme of yours...OK, so no times, no names, just get in, find the largest boy, kill the kid, and get out...got it.

God: Tick Tock.....


AOD: OK, I'm back, all the little boys are dead.

God: Thanks. BTW - I'm going to have Moses use his rod to part the sea so that they can all escape the pursuing army that I harden Pharaoh's heart into sending to kill them!

AOD: Um, OK, why not just NOT harden his heart, so he didn't come after them? Oh, right, the Ra thing...But, why have him use a rod? You're just doing it anyway, right?

God: Um, look, its magic, and that means a magic wand is needed. The magician supply shop was closed due to plagues or something, so, we had to improvise. Moses needs a cane, because I made him have weak legs....so that when I need magic after plagues close the supply shop, he'd have it with him....DOH.

Besides, there are shear effects and tidal effects and so forth that make the sea recede right there anyway, so, all we have to do is have them arrive at the shore, look back at the pursuing chariots of ire, and then Moses raises his cane and the sea parts, and he gets major props so the people will follow him for 40 years in the desert w/o bitching so much....do I have to explain EVERYTHING?!?!?!

AOD: You DO work in mysterious ways.

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Then why are you trying to "incriminate" evangelizing Christians with "condemnations to hell" using a hypothetical that doesn't have a biblical basis?


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Pi R is right, you're jumping all over the place and talking about everything except the verse in question.
LOL

I didn't realize this thread had to be about one verse?



Its general trend I'm discussing....it puts the verse in context.


On the other hand, sometimes, if I try to get the dog to see the bird...and I'm pointing at it, the dog just keeps looking at my finger, not what its pointing at...so, the context is beyond him.


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the horizon appears to curve to me even just from up on mountains
Sorry (and I know this is from a few pages ago) but I have to take issue with this. You cannot see the curvature of the earth while you are standing on it or indeed in flight. Think about it for a second, the best way to visualise is by going to a whiteboard and taking a board marker. Now "draw" the curvature of the earth, but keep going. What happens? A drop off that will eventually reach the floor or the bottom of the board, whatever. Now when you look outside from a high place or a plane, and keep turning round, does the horizon drop off into some invisible abyss the further you turn? Of course not. The more you turn around nothing changes - you simply see a flat line where the curvature of the earth drops down too much for you to see any more - and this goes for all 360 degrees of rotation assuming of course that you have a clear horizon.

I used to think it too when I was a kid but then I noticed that the horizon was always ruler-straight and re evaluated my thinking. Wide lenses can appear to make a horizon curve but it's just an illusion.
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not horizon, my bad. I meant the shape of the land itself. I mean to say that from up there, to me, I seem to be on a giant sphere, not disc
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...using a hypothetical that doesn't have a biblical basis?
I already know how this conversation goes. I tell you what the bible says, and you do your mental gymnastics until it fits what you already believe, so let's skip to that part...

What do you believe? There's a guy in a remote African village that lives an honest and kind life, but has never heard of Jesus. Where's he going when he dies? And what about someone in the developed world that lives an honest and kind life, but has rejected Jesus? Where's he going when he dies? We'll go from there.
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Interestingly the list on the right doesn't include bi***uals. Looks like I got off lucky then! Also lol@pastafarians.
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