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Old 01-23-2015, 02:10 AM #4721
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Someone failed biology. And then failed ѕex ed twice.





You've never met a christian that believes if you're good you go to heaven? Sometimes I wonder if you even think before you type.



Because YOU are his servant, and YOU are devoting a lot of your life to it.

Or you can just carry on doing what you're told (by your pastor) and never bother thinking for yourself. Sure. Some people are happier that way.



I don't believe in heaven. It's a hypothetical.





You'll be laughed out of any science classroom for claiming they coexisted.



So logically, are you only 99% sure that 8+7=15?

Are you logically only 99% sure that true is the opposite of false?


LOL

In case no one noticed, logic and statistics are a bit of a stretch for some.

Knowledge of the world also seems to not be a long suite either....if we add up all the examples of things he's never heard of...it includes no Christians thinking that if you're good you go to heaven and if you're bad you go to hell, no antidiluvian people or animals living anywhere except the in the middle east, all the way to Christians being the ONLY religion that was ever persecuted in all of history.



I mean, he claims 100% of the bible is true. The bible states that god made the moon. If he had 100% faith that the bible was true, and it says god made the moon, he should be 100% sure the moon exists.

BUT, he ALSO claims the moon might not exist....MOSTLY believes it, but, there's just a teeny tiny amount of doubt.

So, a teeny tiny amount of doubt about what the bible says is true...while claiming 100% truth AND 100% belief.


Again, he WOULD HAVE said 100% sure about the moon, but, he was afraid it might end up used against him and his faith in god/the bible, so he fudged it to leave wiggle room....IMHO.

I honestly think he simply forgot/never noticed/internalized that his bible said god made the moon...and lied and said he might not believe the moon exists.


IF he HAD read the bible/noticed that it SAYS god made the moon, he MIGHT have also said he was 100% sure it existed. (Because he WANTS to believe the bible, he just doesn't actually know what it says)

Unfortunately, he's so busy making stuff up/pasting out of context/incorrect drivel fed to him from other sources, that he's lost sight of one idea:

If the bible is true, and you truly believe all of what it says, and truly feel the way you are supposed to feel, and think what you're truly supposed to think according to it, shouldn't you be able to tell how you really feel, and what you really think, without contradicting it?

Why lie about how you feel and what you think when defending your faith?



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This one has probably been posted before, but I think it relates remarkably well to the conversation going on here right now.


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inadvertent self-burns are the funniest.

I just personally hope that no world leader who has his/her finger on "the button" really believes in an end of the world apocalypse. my least favorite kind of prophesy is the self-fulfilling kind

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It really depends how the Bible is interpreted. I'm no expert, but I think it sounded like that's the only place everyone lived and he just wiped them out. But who knows?

God did say he would never destroy the earth with a flood again and made a covenant and his mark is the rainbow.

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Lets do some math:

According to the King James Version of the Bible, the Flood was 1,656 years after Creation.

Irish archbishop James Ussher calculated that the creation of the world took place in 4004 BC.

If 1,656 is deducted from 4004 then the worldwide flood of Noah's time was around 2,348 BC.

Josephus, Ussher, and other scholars disagree slightly on some of their dates. But most agree that a straightforward reading of the Bible indicates the Deluge must have taken place in the third millennium before the birth of Jesus Christ — probably between 2500 BC and 2300 BC.

OK, so, every human on the planet was wiped out (ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE) some time around 2300 - 2500 BC.

If we look at written records kept by humans, going back about 6 thousand years or so to ~ 4,000 BC, up to the present...there's no breaks as you'd expect to find if all humans were wiped out.

Even in the middle east, there's no record of a flood wiping out all the humans.

IE: They have records that started before the church's calculated flood dates...and, after....with no breaks...and no mention of a cataclysmic flood.

You'd think if you had a city, and you had a population of civilians and public servants, etc...and you kept records, and there was over 5 miles of water over their heads for ~ 150 days or so, SOMEONE might have noticed? Maybe even called out sick one day at least? Maybe NOT kept going to work and doing business as usual?

They did keep records of the Nile's flooding...as they counted on it to bring fertile soil from the river out to the farmlands.

They had measuring sticks in canals and kept careful records....and, seemed to have recorded normal everyday type reading across the entire time THE flood was supposed to have happened.


Add to that, we have other flood and creation myths that were older than the bible's dates...older than the bibles themselves...yet some are the same stories....with almost no major changes.

Gilgamesh and similar tales were almost word for word what was used in the bible....right down to the Garden of Eden and the rib to make a woman, the whole enchilada was already written, and borrowed for the bible.

IE: The bible was essentially plagiarized from older existing stories.

We know this because the stories are still around, and are familiar to other cultures they were borrowed from, but new to the writers/audience of the bible.


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inadvertent self-burns are the funniest.

I just personally hope that no world leader who has his/her finger on "the button" really believes in an end of the world apocalypse. my least favorite kind of prophesy is the self-fulfilling kind

that's why I like the non-prophet organizations so much
There is one prophecy (there's others too) that got my attention when I became a Christian.
That is the one in Revelation 13 about the mark of the beast.
We are headed towards this I believe.

Rev 13:16-18
And he (the beast) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six (666).



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There is one prophecy (there's others too) that got my attention when I became a Christian.
That is the one in Revelation 13 about the mark of the beast.
We are headed towards this I believe.

Rev 13:16-18
And he (the beast) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six (666).



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We are headed towards beasts with 666 on them?




In reality, the 666 is carried over from the kabbalah and the numerology associated with Hebrew mysticism. As with most numerology, a post here could not come close to explaining how they go to 666, or a mark on the hand and forehead...but if you've ever seen orthodox jews and the leather boxes they were strapped to the heads and arms, etc...that's part of why they do that.

The rest is associated with the "ascent" from Malkut back up to Yesod, is along the path associated with the letter Resh, having a numerical value of 200. Thus, the entire "journey" of haSatan from the Throne Room to his misleading the world, comes to a total value of 666 (Vav-Samech-Tav-Resh = 6+60+200+400).


There's a TON of crap about numbers, for example (Pasted): when one includes the "pointing finger" itself, the "numerical value" of the bride's finger with the samech and final mem of the ring, comes to 661. This is also the numerical value of "shoshana" (shin-vav-shin-nun-hey, meaning either "rose" or "lily") The shoshana represents the community of Israel (the "bride").


And so on and so forth.


Numerology has been shown to be meaningless drivel though, so, I would not look for 666 to magically appear on ANY ONE's head, etc.


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once I read the entire left behind series. cant say I recommend it, but it gives one an idea of how lots of christians think the world works, and how it relates to them. certainly reading that series one might think christian persecution is a real problem, alas.

why would satan or people under his control let this (the mark of the beast thing) come to be? since it's written down, couldn't satan conveniently not do it on the right hand/forhead and find another way, in the process, proving god wrong? does he have free will, or is he bound to rules god made, thus the prophesy is inevitable? if satan has no free will, how could he be evil, god would have to have made him that way?

say we move to a resource based economy instead of what we have now, and money isn't even a thing anymore, and no one has any marks on hands or foreheads. if that happens, could we say this prophesy has been "un-proven"? how long will it remain tentative and imminent regardless of no-longer-relevant parameters?


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But that goes against what God says in his Bible when David states, "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb." Psalm 139:13
I think that is referring to our spirit body and not our biological body.

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Well I don't believe in a God that has no credible evidence of existing. So going against some silly book is of no concern to me.

My mother is the reason I'm here. She put in the effort, she gets the credit.
Didn't your father have anything to do with it? Or were you a virgin birth?

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7 I) Where did all the water come from? We have a finite amount of water on this planet, and as you may have noticed, it doesn't cover the entire planet. Even if it rained for days.

7 II) Where did all the water go?
The story says that God opened the fountains of the deep, so that would mean not all the water is on the surface, then the water drained back underground again. Am not saying the story is correct or not, am just giving the biblical explanation.

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everyone here should be familiar with the rainbow phenomena. is it a sign god will not flood the earth when I shine white light through a prism, or just after it rains? is it more likely ancient people did not know of diffraction and posited a supernatural explanation? does the fact rainbows turn up any time white light is diffracted, not just after rains, change it's supposed meaning? why would god make them happen (sometimes and depending on observer's angle) after rain as a sign he would not flood the earth again, but also allow them to crop up in other places?
Since you need rain and direct sunlight to have a rainbow, it seems to me that the only way to explain this would be that the earth was always covered in clouds and there was no direct sunlight until after the flood because it sounds like there were no rainbows until after the flood.

I also don't believe the earth is only a few thousand years old, there is nothing biblical supporting that. I think the earth is billions of years old.

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I think it would be safe in Canada. We're fairly relaxed about the whole religion thing.
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I wish I didn't have to finish two reports before hitting the hay tonight......but, alas, there was a roof collapse I have to report to in the AM, so, the reports I was (WAS) going to do tomorrow, are now needed to be done tonight.



I hope no one becomes entangled in numerology or further drivel while I'm gone, that would make me sad.




In the meantime, I'll probably keep grinning as I chortle over firmly held contradictory beliefs.

My 2 favs for tonight are THREE things that can't ALL be true, yet, are claimed as belief:

1) The bible being stated as 100% true, and 100% believed, ...


2) ...BUT not believing 100% that the moon exists even though its attributed to god making it in the bible, and, ...


3) ...not believing that all living things were wiped out by the flood, even though that's what the bible said happened.




The being sure of the bible 100%, and the moon, not so much, has to be the all time fav though.


If there's a Satan, he would Hellgasm if only the ONE belief that was "changed" was to reverse the flood belief to say THAT was real...as that's the one that the poor boy seems to understand, and, Satan could take that from him....and force him to say the flood happened exactly as the bible said it did, because, otherwise, he'd have to not lie about what he really believes to preserve his feeling of adherence to the bible.


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once I read the entire left behind series. cant say I recommend it, but it gives one an idea of how lots of christians think the world works, and how it relates to them. certainly reading that series one might think christian persecution is a real problem, alas.

why would satan or people under his control let this (the mark of the beast thing) come to be? since it's written down, couldn't satan conveniently not do it on the right hand/forhead and find another way, in the process, proving god wrong? does he have free will, or is he bound to rules god made, thus the prophesy is inevitable? if satan has no free will, how could he be evil, god would have to have made him that way?

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About the "Left Behind series" I want to point out that a majority of Christians don't believe in the rapture, it is a very new doctrine in Christianity that no church was teaching until the 1840's, it is not biblical, when Paul wrote his first letter to the Thessalonians they were confused and disturbed by it, that's why he wrote them a second letter to make it more clear what he was saying. There won't be any pre-tribulation rapture.

When I hear other Christians talk about the rapture or being left behind it makes me want to tell them they can kiss my left behind!

As for the mark of the beast I don't understand where so many people get this idea about something on your right hand or on your forehead, that's not what it says. It says "IN your right hand or IN your forehead". Think about what that is saying. What is in your forehead? The answer is your brain. What do you do with your right hand? (Don't anyone answer that!) the correct answer is you do work with your right hand. The people with the mark of the beast are those who will willingly follow the antichrist or those who do his work.

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ok, I lied, but I just saw this, thought it was great, and wanted to share. it's relevant to the genocide hitler god stuff


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When I hear other Christians talk about the rapture or being left behind it makes me want to tell them they can kiss my left behind!


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As for the mark of the beast I don't understand where so many people get this idea about something on your right hand or on your forehead, that's not what it says. It says "IN your right hand or IN your forehead". Think about what that is saying. What is in your forehead? The answer is your brain. What do you do with your right hand? (Don't anyone answer that!) the correct answer is you do work with your right hand. The people with the mark of the beast are those who will willingly follow the antichrist or those who do his work.
but how would this serve as an indicator to allow commerce or not for an individual? you can't tell who someone works for, who they follow, or what they think by looking at them
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but how would this serve as an indicator to allow commerce or not for an individual? you can't tell who someone works for, who they follow, or what they think by looking at them
It could if the antichrist will become the leader of a global government and head of a single world religion, suppose hypothetically that everyone had to be a citizen of this one world government as well as abandon your current religion and accept this new single religion, everyone else gets put in prison and eventually executed if they don't convert and maybe some are able to flee to a safe place somewhere.

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It could if the antichrist will become the leader of a global government and head of a single world religion, suppose hypothetically that everyone had to be a citizen of this one world government as well as abandon your current religion and accept this new single religion, everyone else gets put in prison and eventually executed if they don't convert and maybe some are able to flee to a safe place somewhere.

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I'd say that sounds like the left behind series. except in the series the antichrist kills those who do not accept the mark, which is an actual thing you get on the hand/forehead. not saying they had it right. I've no stake in this particular issue, it's all theoretical to me. you have made a reasonable counter agruement I suppose, though it still seems ambiguous to me

I've seen bumper stickers that say, "in event of rapture, car will be left unattended" or something similar. I'd be more likely to rock "in event of rapture, can I have your car?" on mine

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About the "Left Behind series" I want to point out that a majority of Christians don't believe in the rapture, it is a very new doctrine in Christianity that no church was teaching until the 1840's, it is not biblical, when Paul wrote his first letter to the Thessalonians they were confused and disturbed by it, that's why he wrote them a second letter to make it more clear what he was saying. There won't be any pre-tribulation rapture.

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As for the mark of the beast I don't understand where so many people get this idea about something on your right hand or on your forehead, that's not what it says. It says "IN your right hand or IN your forehead". Think about what that is saying. What is in your forehead? The answer is your brain. What do you do with your right hand? (Don't anyone answer that!) the correct answer is you do work with your right hand. The people with the mark of the beast are those who will willingly follow the antichrist or those who do his work.

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No, it is a translation thing...its a real MARK. There are MANY biblical references to marks on people, Cain, etc...and they usually mark those to be PROTECTED.

Its akin to branding cattle, so a rustler knows which ornery rancher will be hanging him if he messes with THOSE steers, etc.

You can't read too much into the words chosen...as they are typically translations of translations of translations, etc....unless you read it in Aramaic etc.

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